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First Time Opiate Use

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phantim

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Hey guys this is my first post on bluelight.
I've never really tried opiates before and by that i mean the first time I tried them was like 15 mg of hydrocodone. I think they were they narco? kind. Watson 3203's and when i looked it up it was 7.5/325 Hydrocodone/APAP and then another 30 like 1 1/2 to 2 hours later and i didn't really get anything and then earlier today i tried 48.25 and got a little buzz.

So what i want to know is, what i should try for a good first time Opiate high and what it's like. I don't shoot so something like smoking snorting or oral ingestion only please. i was looking through the forums and I couldn't really find anything for first time use, although i might have been using the wrong search terms.


But I would like to know what i should try and in what dosages and what to expect because all i got was a really light... idk how to describe it, like a warm tingly body high but not with any euphoria really and it was really more of a background high.

My Usual DOC's are Cannabis and Meth with some xanax thrown in occasionally and that's really all I've ever tried. Oh and one DXM trip but it was weird as hell. all traily and shit like that, i remember calling someone i knew who had tried it and told him that i had tried a lot of shit and really wasn't expecting nor prepared for anything like that.

So First-hand knowledge and links would be greatly appreciated and while i have been at Bluelight for awhile and most of Y'all seem pretty cool. If you're one of those dicks who only want to yell and contradict and cause problems please stay out of this thread. Thank you and i look forward to your advice and help.

I am a male about 6'1 6'2, 23 years old and somewhere like 230- 250 lbs if that matters.

If i made any mistakes or broke any rules please tell me in a nice or neutral way so that i will know. I really hate those Dickheads who seem to get some sort of Powertrip of yelling at people and telling them they're wrong. Thanks again.
 
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I Know they're really addictive and all the problems that go with it but i would like to try them once, cause all the people all i know who have just seem to think it's the shit and with all the posts I've read that seems to be a general consensus on them.

To me ,from what I've experienced they don't seem to be that good and i keep reading that 1 or 2 should be good for the first time for someone with no tolerance, so i figured i had a good dose and with the low APAP pills too. so I can't figure out why I'm not really feeling it.

Supposedly alcohol increases the effects but I'm not willing to mix them with all the complications that are supposed to arise from that, especially not when I'm first starting.

I'm actually pretty cautious about my drug use and that's why I wanted to get some advice before I went any Farther in.
 
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it just doesn't seem worth it to snort all the binders/fillers and APAP for just 7.5 mgs of hydro.

I should be going to the dentist soon to get 2 teeth pulled one a wisdom tooth so I'm figuring I'll probably get a script for either Vikes or Perc's. What is the difference in high/Dosage, and which should I expect to get.

This is not me in anyway asking for advice on how to get them or anything like that, just what I'm expecting to happen. I do NOT want to know what to ask to get them cause I don't want to get this thread shut down.

I'm just asking the difference in Dosage, Effects and what I will probably receive based on anyone's knowledge from when it has happened to them.

I'm really interested in what the effects of opiates are. I'm looking at Erowid but all the reports there seem to be written for people who already know what to expect.

This may sound stupid, but what would you describe an opiate high as, especially what Euphoria means to you, i know the textbook relaxation/happiness definition but i mean the real experience, like how it makes you feel, what euphoria is to you personally, and all that.

I'm not afraid to go for H and all that, but I'm more of a stick your toes in, and wade into the water kind of person when it comes to drugs I've never tried, compared to jump in the deep end, if you know what i mean, so i would rather try lower opiates first but i at least want to get high.

Once again if there are any problems with how I have put this please don't close the thread just let me know and i will re-word.


**** Just Found the Erowid "First Times" section, but still interested in Everyone's advice/comments cause I like Bluelight Much more than Erowid
 
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Vito- said:
Snort them instead...much more euphoric and will get you that nice high. Never got high off eating them until I started snorting them....but after that I could eat some and get a nice buzz. I know alc is supposed to be a no no...but a couple beers and a hydro or two mix nicely....
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OP, I'm not really sure what the question you had even was. Also dont snort them. Vicodin, etc are filled with a bunch of tylenol and that isnt the greatest thing to be snorting. Don't listen to this person. Hydrocodone is meant to be swallowed, so it will work this way. Also don't drink on opiates until you get way more experienced with them, otherwise its a great way to OD.

But yeah, if you clean up your post you'll get more responses, I have no idea what you want to know, because its too much to wade through. Try paragraph breaks. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but that's how you'll get more people to actually read this and help you out.
 
What I want to Know is

A. Your Personal Experiences with Opiates of any kind

B. What I should Expect from the dentist for My pain pills from a two tooth extraction.( one wisdom, One Molar)

C. What dosages of what Opiates I should Take, and what to expect off them.

D. Anything else a First Time Opiate user should know.


Please avoid anything with Injections, anything that would get the thread closed, and bear in mind that i am aware of the addiction potential.

Thank you and I'll try to clean up my earlier posts

**** and if someone could please tell me how to do a paragraph indent withoiut using spaces i would appreciate it. I'm used to word processor programs, ( Ex. Word, Notepad , Wordpad) where all you have to do is hit tab but I can't do that here
 
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pallidamors said:
But yeah, if you clean up your post you'll get more responses, I have no idea what you want to know, because its too much to wade through. Try paragraph breaks. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but that's how you'll get more people to actually read this and help you out.
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Word. I want to read what you have to say, but after a certain hour in the day/night, I no longer have the patience to copy-edit someone's brick wall of text. I don't want to sound dick-ish either, but it's an easy edit and you will get more responses.
 
stay away from them all together.... this is HARM REDUCTION right. opiates are severely addictive. the can ruin familys, relationships, friends,jobs, and most importantly your own life.so PLEASE think about your actions 1 mistake with opiates is all it takes.... and to my fellow junkies.... sorry for the rant J.
 
Okay. first off DO NOT snort anything with APAP in them, that is just pure stupidity. Not too mention, those pills are huge with a TON of fillers & binders, and when crushed down, have 10 tons of powder, aka like 8 lines worth. Ridiculous.

20mg of hydrocodone is a good starting dose for someone opiate naive. 10mg of oxycodone should do you just as well. I suggest eating the above mentioned as a good ROA, the BA% is very high when ingested.

Start at the above mentioned doses. If that doesn't do you well, up it by 5-10mg every hour or so until you reach desired high. Ingesting the pills on an empty stomach helps, but alos eating a high fatty meal (Taco Bell etc) a 1 1/2 before taking them will boost the high (hit or miss i my opinion, but people swear by it.)

Also, alcohol diminishes an opiate high. I drink one beer, and my high gone almost instantaneous. If anything, add a very low dose of a benzo with your opiate, as it will intensify effects. However do not do so unless you are comfortable with both drugs.

Don't really know what you are asking, but maybe that helps a bit?
 
Well while that's nice to know now, and I will keep that in mind for anyone who asks me in the future.

But I started with 15 mgs with an hour spacing and then another 33.25 the first time and then just tried, 48.25 this time and ran out, because I'm trying to stay below the 2000 mg APAP mark.

Also Is this formatting better for everyone? I would still like to know how to do the paragraph indent without having to use 5 spacemarks

*** I have edited all my above posts and hope that this will help to clarify, and improve my forum typing and presentation skills.
 
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phantim said:
What I want to Know is

A. Your Personal Experiences with Opiates of any kind
addction to OCand dope for years, been on suboxone 3 years
B. What I should Expect from the dentist for My pain pills from a two tooth extraction.( one wisdom, One Molar)
tylenol#3/ if lucky vicodin or percocets
C. What dosages of what Opiates I should Take, and what to expect off them.
start small and work up, you can always take more, but can't take less

D. Anything else a First Time Opiate user should know.
enjoy it, but not enough to be instantly addicted like so many do (i did)

Please avoid anything with Injections, anything that would get the thread closed, and bear in mind that i am aware of the addiction potential.

Thank you and I'll try to clean up my earlier posts

**** and if someone could please tell me how to do a paragraph indent withoiut using spaces i would appreciate it. I'm used to word processor programs, ( Ex. Word, Notepad , Wordpad) where all you have to do is hit tab but I can't do that here
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i answered your ?'s in BOLD
 
Thank you and for experiences I'm looking more towards, what the Initial High felt like, the intermidiary and the comedown and as stupid as this sounds what Euphoria means to you.

How you would best describe it, not just the textbook answers but how it made you Feel,tingly, warm, loss of caring, happiness, but in as much detail as possible. Your ability to still Go out and do things and such.

Is it a social high like weed where you just want to sit and chill but you can still go do things.

Or Is it like Crystal Where You're Full of Energy and You just want to Constantly be doing things, Cleaning Working on vehicles, fixing things, rearranging things etc.

Just In The most detail how you fell on different Opiates. What you're Favorite Opiates are. You're Favorite ROA's. The difference between Your Favorite Drugs and ROA's and all that.

Still Trying To figure out the indent thing if anyone knows how, Please tell me. Spaces are annoying
 
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stay away from them all together.... this is HARM REDUCTION right. opiates are severely addictive. the can ruin familys, relationships, friends,jobs, and most importantly your own life.so PLEASE think about your actions 1 mistake with opiates is all it takes.... and to my fellow junkies.... sorry for the rant J.
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look man, i appreciate the concern you show for the OP but there are a lot more dangerous drugs than opiates to be consuming. sure ther's always to OD risk with opaites but a lot of RCs out ther are being used irresponsible by mayy users without any solid evidence whether they're hepatoxic, neurotoxic, etc. many other drugs ruin lives as well.

for the most part opiates are benign on the body until abuse comes into play. but please tread carefull experimenting with opaites if you;re naive. as pointed out don't go insufflating combinations with apap in them. you're going yo w nt to perform a CWE on the hydro pills if the apap level is over 4000mg (4grams). it's advise never to exceed 2000mg (2 grams) in one dose, not exceedng 4000mg (4grams) in a 24 hour period.
 
Percocet (oxycodone) is way better than Vicodin (hydrocodone) both in terms of recreational effects and pain control, in my opinion. I wouldn't say you should expect to get either one; wisdom tooth removals are often pretty painless and opiates aren't usually necessary although they are frequently prescribed.

Anyways, my advice to you is after this first time, try to use opiates as rarely as possible and NEVER more than once a week. Don't give them a chance to ruin your life.
 
15-20mg's of oxycodone/percocet is a good place to start for someone with no tolerance. I would also advise to be careful with opiates to avboid addiction. Take at least two days off for every day that you use and never use in back to back days.
 
I thank you all for your advice and your warnings of addiction and I'm not planning to go more than once after I get that first real opiate high, but if i do I'll make sure to take at least a week if not 2 or more between trips.

the problem I'm having is that everyone keeps saying like 15-20 or 20-25 mgs of hydro and stuff. I started on 45 and didn't really feel anything other than like a light warm buzz on that.

Is there some reason for that. I can't have a tolerance on my first time. O r could i just be naturally tolerant for opiates.

Also what's the difference in hydro and Oxy is Oxy way stronger or something .

Please advise on dosages regarding what I have just told you.

And please list your experiences with different opiates and ROA's. I am interested in what the different drugs and ROA's feel like to you and your personal favorites.

Thank you
 
After you get your first appeal of opioid high, your mind will tell you that you want more. That's where it starts. It doesn't start at the point when you don't feel anything at all except some nausea or things people feel when they inject heroin for the first time. Some give up, some don't. Physical dependence quickly follows psychological dependence. That's for the warning stuff. Now, I really wrote out myself.

20mgs of hydrocodone is like 100-120mgs of codeine. This isn't a lot to get you high, right? That's off-topic but I couldn't heal myself with 400mgs hydrocodone injected when I was addicted to 200mgs of morphine a day IIRC. Hydrocodone is one of the least sought after opioids. Please don't interrogate me what I took and what it feels like. I would have to list over 200 opioids lab grade and I didn't write down my opinion on them (what would they look like? subjective comparison of sedation, psychotomimetic effects, mi/kappa/delta "feelings" ratio). And why would you need this if you've got hydrocodone/APAP tablets? Where would a subjective report on N-phenylethyl-14-methoxynorhydromorphone lead you to? At addict level - hydromorphone is a superb rush from semisynthetics, dextromoramide is from full synthetics. As for nodding and stuff levorphanol analogs are so long-lasting that you can't move yourself for 10 hours if you took enough. Also, hydrazones are winners, oxymorphone hydrazone is for example.

Hydrocodone is a good starter in a few syntheses on the other hand (well, -OH group is already protected on position 3) and that's all what it's worth for me now.

It should work anyway in the area of 20mgs for a first-timer (100mgs of codeine should too, if you don't weigh 100kg, that is ~220 pounds EDIT: didn't read your weight, now that's just the answer, you took too little). Hydrocodone binds itself to mu-opioid receptors, yet it displays weak affinity. So it's different to codeine pro-drug action, maybe it's not better though. There's little glucuronidation here as opposed to codeine/DHC (and it's known that codeine-6-glucuronide displays quite an analgesic action in people who poorly metabolize it to morphine, there isn't anything like hydrocodone-6-glucuronide, glucuronidation may happen after P450 enzymes did their job and that's all). Well, cut the pharmacological crap. It's always the same. Firstly, it's not going to work the first time, secondly - is it really worth a discussion? You felt something at 48.25mg. How did you calculate that? it's impossible to take 48.25mg just like that if tablets are 7.5mg strength, just divide 48.25mg by 7.5mg, it's 6,43(3). Never mind. 60mg should set you u\p. Just like 300mg of codeine sets up people who are addicted to pills.

I'm starting to think that you set yourself for something more that there really is when it comes to hydrocodone p.o. You described your feelings as "like a warm tingly body high but not with any euphoria really and it was really more of a background high". Well, that's just about it for a low-dose opioid high. You want to go deeper, you end up bad.
 
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I think Hydrocodone provides a better buzz than oxycodone, but you just have to have a real low tolerance to enjoy it. very, very euphoric.

Please be careful man. Everyone that's addicted only wanted to "try it once".
 
Oxycodone is well overrated when compared to many opioids but I don't think hydrocodone beats it as hydromorphone beats oxymorphone (well, here there's a lot less difference between those drugs). I never liked any codones. I never leave that methyl group even if there's a 14-phenylpropoxy group combined with N-[2-(2-furyl)ethyl] group (well, such a compound derived even from codeine would be superior to some dihydroheroin or whatever on miligram basis). But it's a nice protecting group like I mentioned. Very easy to get rid of later.
 
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