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First time meth use and opiates?

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I cant retrieve a thread I tried to get info from so i will post again. I currently take 150-200mg tramadol spreadout throughout the day for pain. I know that mdma or speed do not go good with this drug so I would usually switch to oxy(as much as i hated to because i had a prolem with it) and when i would do a few mdma pills at a festival i would be fine.

I plan on trying a very small amount of speed to see if i like it (ya as if i wont lol) has anyone ever done one 50mg tram in the morning and at night done a small amount of speed?

how can I do this safely or ween down? is it really necessary for such a small sample of speed?
 
If it's little bump, I'd just say fuck it! but tramadol heightens your seizure threshold and so do amphetamines....I don't know.....

amphetamines and opiates is personally my favorite mix, it can be amazing creatively to write songs, which is what I used to use it for...You have to get the mix just right for it to fully work though...Mixing any stimulant with an opiate is tricky business, but I personally believe that opiates and amphetamines within reason is nowhere near as dangerous as cocaine and opiate....correct me if I'm wrong here guys!
 
amphetamines and opiates aren't particularly unsafe, but tramadol and amphetamines is very dangerous!!

both ampthetamines and tramadol lower the seizure threshold, and if you don' get a seizure, you will probably feel uncomfortable from too much norepinephrine
 
If you have a problems with oxys (as you admitted yourself), WHY WOULD YOU EVER TRY A MORE ADDICTIVE AND DEVASTATING DRUG? You do realize that in general, meth is THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUG and also the MOST HARMFUL as well. You, by your own admission, can't even handle oxys correctly...and you think you can handle meth? This may be harsh, but it's true. I know you won't listen to me, because you already have your mind made up, so go for it.
 
Methamphetamine has little to no comparison to Oxycontin in terms of addiction value. Different people prefer different substances.

A slight overdose of oxycontin could mean your life, while a slight overdose of methamphetamine could mean your sanity. It's really all a matter of values. Honestly mixing uppers and downers in this way is not advised at all.
 
Renz Envy said:
Methamphetamine has little to no comparison to Oxycontin in terms of addiction value. Different people prefer different substances.
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Obviously, but in GENERAL, meth is more addictive than any other drug, period. (If you read my post again, you'll see that I specifically mentioned that IN GENERAL, meth is the most addictive.) YOUR experience may vary based on personal preferences, but in general, meth is the most addictive. Furthermore, the op has already admitted that his will power isn't the best, e.g. he is addicted to oxys. Weak will power and meth do NOT mix. COULD he handle meth responsibly? Obviously. COULD there be flying flesh eating pink unicorns on the solar system next to ours? Yes
 
I'll agree that meth is very addictive, I will not agree on the postulation that it is the most addictive drug unless a source is provided.

Opinions are as opinions are. It is all a matter of personal experience and viewpoint.
 
I mean you don't have to agree...whether or not you agree isn't going to change the fact that it's true. I didn't make it this way...it's just the way it is. If you want to argue that in general heroin is more addictive than meth...at least that is a somewhat rational argument (although it's untrue)...but arguing that oxys are more addictive than meth IN GENERAL is simply not true. It's like saying cocaine is more addictive than meth in general.

As I said before, just because I'm too lazy to go research a source doesn't mean the statement isn't true. And no, it's not an opinion. Could it be wrong? Yes. What's the logical chance that it's wrong? Probably 2% I'd imagine, i.e. I'd estimate there's a 2% chance (maybe less, kinda giving you the benefit of the doubt here) that the statement "meth in general is more addictive than oxys," is incorrect.

Even off the top of my head, I believe that 92% or some ridiculously high number of meth addicts fall back into addiction. Furthermore, there are PLENTY of people who are perscribed oxys for pain medication and do NOT abuse them...how many people do you think DO NOT abuse meth? Maybe 5%? (That is a VERY generous estimate btw)
 
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I believe the more ones learns about drugs, the more they learn that there are extreme exceptions to everything.

I do not believe meth or heroin are the most addictive drugs to possibly exist, I see them as well-rounded compounds in which caught on to popular demand. If one wishes to make claims based off of an opinion, it is best to provide a source.

I can imagine there are compounds far more addictive, however the side effects may weigh far too high to ever hit the streets.
 
I never said that there are no exceptions...in fact, MANY times throughout my post the words "in general" were used. Furthermore, if you really want to nitpick my words, then yes, there's a good chance that there might be a drug that no one has ever heard of that is more addictive than meth. But, it was obvious that even though I didn't specifically state it, that I was talking about street drugs. And, if it wasn't obvious to you, I'm stating it now.
 
Regardless, the main points of my post were: #1 In general, meth is the MOST addictive (street drug) out there (it's also the most harmful, in general). #2 If the op cannot handle oxys responsibly, the chance of the op being able to handle meth responsibly is less than 1%. And #3 the op will ignore all this advice and do meth anyway
 
LogicAndReason said:
Even off the top of my head, I believe that 92% or some ridiculously high number of meth addicts fall back into addiction. Furthermore, there are PLENTY of people who are perscribed oxys for pain medication and do NOT abuse them...how many people do you think DO NOT abuse meth? Maybe 5%? (That is a VERY generous estimate btw)
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Based on that logic, there are MANY people as well who are prescribed amphetamines for ADHD who take it responsibly, and do not abuse it. Just because a drug exists does not mean that anybody who touches it will automatically become a fiend. People can use opiates responsibly, just as much as people can use amphetamine responsibly.

I'd just like to see some sources backing up your claims, that is all. No need for the hostilities.
 
LogicAndReason said:
Regardless, the main points of my post were: #1 In general, meth is the MOST addictive (street drug) out there (it's also the most harmful, in general). #2 If the op cannot handle oxys responsibly, the chance of the op being able to handle meth responsibly is less than 1%. And #3 the op will ignore all this advice and do meth anyway
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Bud, I have seen many of your recent posts now and they are all about not doing the drug discussed and how bad it is.
While that may be true, its obvious many of the OP's have already decided to do the substance and your not gonna convince them otherwise.
This means your posts are not helpful whatsoever.
Rather be useful and post helpful tips, guidance and HR advice when its clear the OP' is going to go ahead.

Ranting about the dangers of drugs on this forum doesn't help.
This is not an attack, just some advice on how to contribute here in the best way possible. Please don't take offense.
 
BrokedownPalace said:
Based on that logic, there are MANY people as well who are prescribed amphetamines for ADHD who take it responsibly, and do not abuse it. Just because a drug exists does not mean that anybody who touches it will automatically become a fiend. People can use opiates responsibly, just as much as people can use amphetamine responsibly.

I'd just like to see some sources backing up your claims, that is all. No need for the hostilities.
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Huh? I wasn't talking about amphetamine. I was talking about meth. No where did I ever state "amphetamine"

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Bud, I have seen many of your recent posts now and they are all about not doing the drug discussed and how bad it is.
While that may be true, its obvious many of the OP's have already decided to do the substance and your not gonna convince them otherwise.
This means your posts are not helpful whatsoever.
Rather be useful and post helpful tips, guidance and HR advice when its clear the OP' is going to go ahead.

Ranting about the dangers of drugs on this forum doesn't help.
This is not an attack, just some advice on how to contribute here in the best way possible. Please don't take offense.
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If you actually read my posts like you claim, you'd see that I've stated MULTIPLE times how I didn't expect them to listen to or adhere to my advice. But that doesn't change the fact that it's clearly the best advice, and it's not even close. Sorry, but meth really IS a bad drug...it's the worst drug there is in fact. I didn't make it this way, that's just the way it is, for whatever reason...I mean I guess some drug has to be the worst, and it happens to be meth.

As I stated, I don't expect anyone to listen to me, but I'm still going to do my part and post the best advice.
 
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If you actually read my posts like you claim, you'd see that I've stated MULTIPLE times how I didn't expect them to listen to or adhere to my advice. But that doesn't change the fact that it's clearly the best advice, and it's not even close. Sorry, but meth really IS a bad drug...it's the worst drug there is in fact. I didn't make it this way, that's just the way it is, for whatever reason...I mean I guess some drug has to be the worst, and it happens to be meth.

As I stated, I don't expect anyone to listen to me, but I'm still going to do my part and post the best advice.
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Trust me I get it, I wish people would really be moved by recommendations to simply abstain, because it would be the best action by far, but often (as I know from my own experience) reminding people in a difficult time about the overall massive danger and massive mistake they are potentially making, when they feel they cannot simply opt out of it at the time, can lead to terminal guilt and self hate etc and result in more far more harm then good.

Its just that there is a big big difference between the most accurate, factual and beneficial advice and the most useful, helpful and HR based advice. That's all im saying.
 
BrokedownPalace said:
Right. I understand that. But, amphetamine to methamphetamine is like comparing heroin to morphine.. Same beast really.
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, seriously. It's not even close to the same beast. And morphine is not even close to heroin either. Just because drugs are from the same category and have similar effects is more or less meaningless. The highs achieved by meth and heroin are FAR better than their counterparts and therefore, those 2 drugs are FAR more addictive in general.
 
^Yeah, maybe in intensity and duration, but they are pretty interchangeable on many levels....heroin converts to morphine in the brain....
 
BlueHues said:
^Yeah, maybe in intensity and duration, but they are pretty interchangeable on many levels....heroin converts to morphine in the brain....
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But intensity and duration are HUGE HUGE factors. Why would you downplay them? The fact that heroin is more intense and lasts longer means that it is MUCH MORE addictive
 
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