First Cycle - Not sure about it.

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Desohigh

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Hello guys.
I'm in bodybuilding over 5-6 years.
I never used any steroids, only supplements like whey bcaa glutamine creatine nitric oxide etc.. the usuals :)

But now, I'd like to step up, make it to a next level. But I don't wanna rush into this world. So I'd like to try with small steps but with average gains.
MY body can easily gain weight, also with proper diet, I can get really big. So, for the first time, my friends recommended me Sustanon only.
In our country, pharmacies sold Sustanon, so they are %100 real.
How should i dose? How many weeks should it be?

My goal is; to decrease my bodyfat to %9-8 and add some muscle to look better than before.
I will use steroids to increase my level maybe get rid off plateau.

I'm 1.84 cm and 95 kg. I have nearly %12 bodyfat.

Another thing is, my friend who is experienced in this business told me that, if you're ruining your testo levels, and f*ck up your testo production, you should add primabolan and deca.
Doesn't it sounds a LOT for the first time?
 
Yeah adding Primo and Deca? if your levels are fucked up? Deca is a 19Nor and they SHUT YOU DOWN HARD - as in they shut down natural production of Testosterone really hard real fast. There is a sticky on the top of this forum- called " Your First Cycle" read it thats want you want to do. Sustanon is fine as a testosterone for your fist cycle. Though it is a blend of several esters of testosterone. Personally I would use either Enanthate or Cypionate they are long esters as opposed to say Acetate and Propionate which are faster acting short esters. Short esters require a more frequent injection schedule. 500mg a week of either Test E or Test C 250mg injections say Monday and Friday. You should have all the necessary compounds for PCT on hand; you will need both Nolvadex and Clomid to do a proper PCT research this or all your gains are going to go away. I would also recommend an Aromatase Inhibitor such as Arimidex on hand encase you begin to see any side effects from the testosterone aromatization. But again read the sticky and do your research I recommend reading - Anabolics by William Llewenlyn: the book covers a lot of info on all the compounds as well as some basic cycles- for your first cycle Stick to long ester Testosterone only - if you no how to diet and train like you said you should get big no worries. but again I digress read the sticky and do not take your friends advice.
 
Worst advice ever : if your hpta is suppressed, run some deca and some primo lol.
Sorry but he doesn't seem experienced at all.
Listen to neo, good advice. I'd recommend 6-12 weeks for your first cycle. Either 250mg (1 sustanon) or 500mg (2 sustanons) per week.
 
The only thing at all I would add to a first cycle would be an oral kick start, like D-bol. But frankly this is only if you are in a rush and want to see immediate gains. If you are patient and know what you can do to your body with proper diet and training then waiting a few weeks to really start seeing gains from the Testosterone. For your first cycle it is easier to bulk up then it is to cut while running your first cycle; but if you are that confident in your ability to control your diet then you should have no problem in dropping the body fat. Limit your cycle to 12 weeks.

As you are trying to drop body fat, instead of running an oral kick start try running an oral at the end of your cycle to be more direct you could run Epistane at 40mgs every day for the last 6 weeks. Epistane is a nice choice for a first timer as well it is mild but it does a great job at giving you solid gains, that are dry; but if you do choose to run it do your self a favor a month before your cycle begins begin to run a joint protection/rejuvenation supplement. I like one that has Glucosamine/ Chondroitin/ MSM / and Cissus. Will definitely help out with the lubrication of the joints. As well I would look at getting a nice Omega fatty acid supplement ie - a 3/6/9 blend ( the Omega fats help with joints as well as cognitive functions and over all function of the body. ) Coral Calcium is a good option as well; take a look at Molecular Nutrition BP/Lipid/ Liver support or Himalaya Liv 52, a liver support supplement. Now These are great in helping your body maintain a good HDL/LDL ratio for cholesterol as well as blood pressure, and liver support. Just a solid all around protection when running hormones that alter your body. Take it easy on the AI do not use it unless you start to see side effects from the testosterone, some guys advocate its use from day one but its your first cycle so wait to see how your body reacts, the AI prevents testosterone from aromatizing into estradiol which is necessary for the body ( joint lubrication among other things ) so if you go to heavy with the AI dry joints is a real worry, the Epistane may cause dry joints as well hence the advice on joint support.

Like I said though do some research, it will pay off in the long run mate. I hope this info helps you.
 
Not Deca, Dianabol. Sorry for my mistake, don't know the names properly.
I enjoyed reading your post, ty Neoprimitive. I'm a newbie in this so I'd like to consult you.
1. Is sustanon is enough? If I abuse my testo production and stop it, maybe its better to use primo+susta+dianabol? On the other hand I'm not a fan of injecting. Can't do it by myself. So i've to go to a doctor or my friend.
2. Can't use Epistane bcs it's not imported to our country. Animal stak maybe?
3. What is AI, and how can I know the side effects?

Anyway, I got to read too much bcs my questions won't last :)
Is there any site or online book that you recommend me?
 
An AI is an Aromatase Inhibitor, it stops testosterone from being turned into estrogen. Steroid.com has alot of good info, but I don't agree with everything they say.
 
1: If you are going to run a proper cycle you are going to have to inject. 2: Sustanon is enough for a proper first cycle. But only if you have the proper PCT regime ready: because frankly once you stop the hormone injections no matter what combo you are taking the body is going to have to restart its natural production of Testosterone- this takes a bit.3 As for a replacement for Epistane try Winstrol not a direct replacement but it will give you the cutting effect you are looking for. But again I would hold off on this. I am glad that you found my post informative but I am going to keep telling to you to research some of these compounds your self mate. It is all well and good to be given the information you are looking for but it is by far more rewarding to research them and come to your own conclusions about your own course. Think of it as looking into setting up a system for your own success. 4 Side effects: every compound you want to try has a specific set of sides: they are medical medications and we all know medications have side effects- they trick here is to know what you are looking for so you can keep on top of them. This is where research comes in. Anabolics by William Llewenlyn read it it lays out the intended medical uses for these compounds and all of their side effects, including Heptic/ and cardiovascular sides, as well as any compound specific issues. Its not the end all and be all of research but its a great start. re:1: I am repeating this because frankly it needs to be repeated- If you want a proper cycle you need to inject its not difficult and oral only cycles are just going to give you gains sure but they will be very short lived and frankly not worth the side effects.Another thing I am going to throw out there, is a lot of these sites are great for research but a lot of the members push aggressive drug protocols rule number one when playing with pharmaceuticals ( and that's what these compounds are) is: keep it simple stupid. rule two is a universal any thing that can go wrong will: so be prepared hence why you should have AI's on hand as well as you PCT in hand prior to running your cycle, if you have to stop mid cycle you will be prepared.The third rule- Occams Razor - The simplest answer is almost always the right answer: this is key when using powerful compounds- keep them to a minimum. You can expand your use as you expand your knowledge and experience of the compounds. So looking at these rules, the first cycle of Testosterone only no orals seems like common sense. Again I hope this helps man, and like I said do some more research your self, and for god's sake do your own injections.
 
First cycle -

1-4 30mg dbol (you can leave this or take it, I would personaly do it if your impatient)
1-15 testosterone enanthate or cypionate ( try not to use sust. Though use sust if its all you can get. Enan or cypio are better choices... 500mg per week.

Week 17-21 - PCT nolva + clomid
(This applies to enan or cyp, sust may require tinkering of pct start times due to undeclynate ester).

Follow these rules, eat well and train well, you will grow.

Learn about AIs and PCT before you start.
 
nolys said:
First cycle -

1-4 30mg dbol (you can leave this or take it, I would personaly do it if your impatient)
1-15 testosterone enanthate or cypionate ( try not to use sust. Though use sust if its all you can get. Enan or cypio are better choices... 500mg per week.

Week 17-21 - PCT nolva + clomid
(This applies to enan or cyp, sust may require tinkering of pct start times due to undeclynate ester).

Follow these rules, eat well and train well, you will grow.

Learn about AIs and PCT before you start.
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Thank you for your post.
I'm patient, no doubt about it. Why did u said that not to use sustanon? Because of fluctuation in testosterone? Because I learned that 3 days btw injections don't make that kinda fluctuations.
I prefer sustanon because it's sold by pharmacies and %100 real.
My best friend said that
Primabolan + sustanon (both pharmacy products) would be perfect. Is that a good start?

I wont start my cycle without doing research for PCT and the possible risks while using anabolics. I need to be ready for all the possibilities.
Thank you all.
Just couldn't decide which anabolics should I start first.

Also for winstrol, I read that it doesn't have any effects just placebo??
 
Winstrol is just placebo ? No. winstrol works.
You can inject sustanon once a week or more. Use it if that's the only pharmaceutical form of test you can get.
 
nolys said:
First cycle -

1-4 30mg dbol (you can leave this or take it, I would personaly do it if your impatient)
1-15 testosterone enanthate or cypionate ( try not to use sust. Though use sust if its all you can get. Enan or cypio are better choices... 500mg per week.

Week 17-21 - PCT nolva + clomid
(This applies to enan or cyp, sust may require tinkering of pct start times due to undeclynate ester).

Follow these rules, eat well and train well, you will grow.

Learn about AIs and PCT before you start.
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Thats solid advice for the OP - Stick with what he says and you will be kosher.
 
I suggest using ONLY 1 form of injectable for your first cycle, this is because if you get side effects, gyno, irratibility, sickness or whatever random side effect, how will you know what's causing it? Add no more than 1 steroid per cycle, it let's you know how you react to each individual steroid so you know what to use and what not to use in future.

I recommend enan or cyp over sust because a multi ester can fluctuate blood levels too much. Though if you can only get sust pharma grade then I would say go for the sust. If you can get enan or cyp through the pharma, go for those.
If you plan on using dbol, don't go over 50mg first time, you won't need it, start at 30, stay at that for a week or 10 days, then increase the dose if needed. I find that if I go above 40mg I get shin splints and overpump of muscles...
 
Thank you for all the comments, I'll stick only with sustanon and inject 3-4 days in a row. Weekly 500mg.
I'll add dbol, starting with 30mg then increase the dose.
I'm planning to start in November.

1 more question,
In the cycle, If i get mdma at 1 night, what will be the consequences?
Or smoke weed?
It will be 1 day in a month.
 
I think weed is fine. It can actually be beneficial, by giving you the munchieees but idk I never smoked weed.
Mdma can stress your liver. You choose : mdma or dbol? You can use it while on dbol, your liver is very unlikely to fail. You can take NAC and milk thistle to help.
Stick to weed man, admiration from women is better than a high lol
 
I dont even smoke anymore let alone use drugs. Mdma also is a stimulant so it could cause blood pressure issues and let's not forget your appetite will be fucked for a bit along with proper sleep.
 
If I could go back in time I would of listened to all of these things you are being told right now, I used Sus250 and Test400 at 1ml of each per week , then got carried away and start jabbing more frequently,

gave myself potentially fatal blood pressure levels , when lifting in the gym after a couple of reps it felt like a got smashed straight over the head with a sledge hammer, balls shrivelled to peanuts, loads of acne, and roid rage ! I thought I could take anyone, only thing I didn't get is Gyno,

I learned a LOT, maybe a good thing in the long run now I know how to do things properly , what agrees with me and what doesn't, cut a long story short, your friend is an idiot who knows nothing ! Listen to these guys and good luck bro ;);)

PS: Always have Anti-E meds on hand can't stress that enough. :)
 
benzoman12345 said:
gave myself potentially fatal blood pressure levels , when lifting in the gym after a couple of reps it felt like a got smashed straight over the head with a sledge hammer, balls shrivelled to peanuts, loads of acne, and roid rage ! I thought I could take anyone, only thing I didn't get is Gyno,
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Is this an attempt at a troll?
 
Serotonin101 said:
I dont even smoke anymore let alone use drugs. Mdma also is a stimulant so it could cause blood pressure issues and let's not forget your appetite will be fucked for a bit along with proper sleep.
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That's right but its a 3 month cycle and I think there's a possibility that I can use mdma at one night.
But I will try not to.

Anyway my cycle will be Sustanon 250mg x2 weekly and Dianabol (1-4 week)
it will be a 15 week cylce but before PCT, I'll give a break like 2 weeks without using anything?
then in 17th week, I'll use Nolvadex + clomid.
 
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