RCs First bad experience with mephedrone. Should I use it again?

[jess046]

I'm not sure the mepehedrone was even the problem, although it did seem to trigger the bad experience...

I took about half a point of meth at around 8 o'clock and was feeling great. Decided to do half a point of mephedrone to keep the buzz.

Still feeling pretty good.

Then I did another half a point of mephedrone and it all went downhill. I started to get this small red rash on my leg. A couple of my fingers become somewhat discolored, with a weird dark red colour. I had a horrible headache and I felt really, really nauesous. I also began to see eye floaters literally everywhere, flying around the room.

These effects did not get worse, but all the euphoria was gone. I took some valium and went to bed. Woke up today feeling okay.

Anyway, the batch of mephedrone I've been using has never given me problems, not even on larger amounts. Is this an accumulative result of dosing weekly? Or was it the combo with meth? I mean I really didn't take that much.

One other thing I should mention is that the eyefloaters were likely a symptom of a panic attack, as I get them during panic attacks (although they usually go away after a minute- not an hour!). I experienced them for the first time during a panic attack on the same batch of meth, so go figure.

I definitely won't be combining the two again, but I wanted to know, from all of your informed opinions, if you think it's too big of a risk to try either drug again? I mean I can deal with getting kind of overstimulated and panicky on a drug, but what really perturbs me is the vasconstriction properties of mephedrone. This is one of the drugs I have the easiest access to, so it is very likely I will be tempted to use it again. If somebody has some information, anecdotal or research, that will convince me 100% not to use it again, or at least give me an idea of how often and how much is safe after a night like last night, then please speak up! This is a harm reduction site and I want to make sure I'm minimizing any potential harm by using these substances.
I also don't want to endanger any of my friends. Interestingly, my boyfriend has been using mephedrone every week, about twice a week- no more than 500g overall. And he has had no negative side effects.

So I don't think it was the batch of mephedrone and I guess it couldn't been an accumulative consequence of using it too much, as I've only done about 100-200mg every weekend for a few months.

Also I want it to be known that this stuff can be dangerous even in low doses. And that meth/mephedrone is a bad combo!

 

[shreddedlettuce]

I took about half a point of meth at around 8 o'clock and was feeling great. Decided to do half a point of mephedrone to keep the buzz.

Even before you decided to take the meph, I would have suggested against it.
If you were feeling great, why spoil it.

After reading the whole post, the answer is obvious, don't use it again.
To be honest I've never used meph, but wouldn't try make something that made me feel not so great into something that could.

Remember - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. (abbrev. definition in my words).

 

[JohnnyVodka]

If you think this was down to the meph rather than the meth, you'd do well to avoid it. At the very least, next time you do meph, I can almost guarantee you'll be looking out for symptoms again which'll ruin your buzz anyway!

 

[blight12]

Dupe

 

[JohnnyVodka]

The worst thing I've found about meph is the paranoia (enhanced by reading stories like this!), comedowns/anxiety (always been an anxious person, but i reckon meph has increased it a bit) and the cravings.

I will say, though, since stopping regular meph use and now doing it only very occasionally, I don't feel I have any physical issues. I do hard exercise (weights/running) for maybe 6 hours a week without any problems.

 

[blight12]

Hey OP. Soz if it was in your post and I missed it. But can I ask how regularly you normally use it? Weekly, weekends etc? Thanks. That might help.

It seems you got hectic vasoconstriction from combining two drugs that cause this often. I have heard meph is apparently really nasty with its vasoc side effects sometimes. For the other anxiety and panic stuff its also likely caused by the same thing.

If i am not mistaken the VasoC with stims is a symptom of the peripheral SNS stimulation, epinephrine release etc which you got a double dose of with both drugs.

Now the anxiety and panic stuff, all that nasty shit with stims is also caused by the same peripheral SNS stimulation and adrenaline release so it makes sense since you got the heavy VasoC from epinephrine release you will also get the other side effects. Now im just making an informed guess based on your info, I may be wrong.

OVERSTIMED lol, its not fun, i regularly do that to myself with meth as well, dont mix these two drugs, it will be worse, plus meph dont need it, its got all that side of things as well. Its normal and safe though if you where worried. (Well safe relatively to the anxiety telling you are dying etc compared to how safe these substances and side effects are in reality.)

My first time i tool way to much and the comedown panic attack felt like i was dying, couldnt breath, gasping for air. If wasn't familiar with panic attacks i would have gone to the ER. But its normal apparently but still the thing with anxiety is that by definition it cant really be reasoned with well or with logic. Its always scary as fuck, logic/facts/reality be damned.

Also if you find you are getting these shitty stim effects from redosing and no good stuff anymore it means you are tapped out on the good stuff, dopamine etc. For some nasty reason nature decided that the shitty chems like SNS stimulation are always in limitless supply and last a good time longer from the same stim dose (meaning that add up on binges and why the side effects get worse and worse as you go along) then the good chems and are always available and ready to make a stim junkies life miserable on regular occasion. I guess we need something to tell us its time to stop.

Soz op, not hijacking with this next bit but just want to confirm a possible risk with this stuff with a question below, maybe you know or would also be interested:

shreddedlettuce and other knowledgeable members, this may be relevant to meph issues. Due to the Serotonin activity of mepehedrone which I beleive is quite strong although perhaps less then MDMA (Is there any confirmed info on how strong the Serotonin activity is compared to MDMA?), does that not mean all the same risks and warnings for example about regular or weekly usage etc as with MDMA should also apply here? Is there a reason why not, i just need to confirm, i think the OP might want to know of this risk also.

Just to get my facts straight really but im wondering why and if its possible that the common meph usage habits like binges, regular and weekly usage etc, (prob due to the dopamine stim type effects it has) wont result in the same damage to the brain and the possible mental disasters (crippling anxiety, paranoia ptsd for years and years like i had) that these habits would usually cause with MDMA.

Am i missing something here about how it works or how it is different meaning its less risky in this regard or are a whole lot of unsuspecting meph users with these habits in for a big nasty surprise at some later date? If the same risks apply then many users are totally and knowing wrecking themselves with this stuff potentially right? Or am i wrong?

 

[jess046]

Thanks for the replies.

As for how often I've been using mephedrone- about two months. Every weekend, sometimes under 100mg, never over 200mg. Haven't used anything else apart from the meth last night.

The bad effects only started after the second line of mephedrone. And I've never had red rashes on me from meth- sure, I've had panic attacks, but nothing physical, which is what really scares me. I guess my question is whether or not using mephedrone in the future (without anything else in the mix) is likely to cause the vasconstriction to reappear or maybe even worse this time? If this a genuine, likely danger, than I will not use the stuff again. I just want to know from anecdotal and researched opinions, if I can continue to use if I keep the doses low and unmixed.

I am actually interested in the question about 'rules' for safe mephedrone use too. Should it be regarded in the same light as MDMA? I have used this stuff a lot and have noticed no increase in tolerance. So it is a very curious matter. I feel like somebody needs to make a list of rules for harm reduction.

What is the best way to combat symptoms of vasconstriction, as well? My finger is still a bit red and splotchy, but other than that I feel pretty good, in fact, not much of a come-down at all- compared to some of the anxiety I've dealt with in the past from drugs.

 

[blight12]

The vaso and skin shit should go away after the drug wears off properly, prob the next day only after the come down. If it persists it should be checked by a doc who would be informed fully about the circumstances. I have never had issues telling the doc these things and its important for your heath if needed.

But yes, I wouldnt worry about that stuff. Its scary initially and it also comes when it feels like it. I have never been able to pin down why and when it comes and annoys me, it seems random and unaffected by anything else. Also regular use of stims will prob cause you to experience this stuff more often as you become more sensitive to it or that system becomes more active or in use, no idea why but it did with me.

You get used to it but the worst is the stabbing pain in your hands and feet that strikes randomly when touching shit. Its damn annoying and startling as hell to a tweaked up tweaker. If you dont get that yet then your still in the mild stuff zone and should be golden

Lastly, I would worry much more about your usage schedule then the vaso stuff. Messing with serotonin fucked me up good and proper for years with debilitating mental crap using only weekend and for a few months. Just be safe and follow MDMA rules or or wait for somebody to confirm here. Meph usage habits like consecutive days, weekly use or even extending a dose beyond the normal few ours is the danger zone with Serotonin and will cause persisting issues if kept up for extended periods. Apparently its once every two months for safe usage and ensuring no issues or damage with Serotonin. It is rather extreme and annoying though.

Personally after what i went through, mephedrone, while in theory its damn fun and the perfect drug in terms of effects, is an evil abomination that will eat people alive especially with common usage habits likely promoted due to the dopamine stim effects, but combined with Serotonin activity it is sure to leave tons of mentally damaged anxious wrecks for people in its wake if it is similar in risks to MDMA, even if it has reduced Serotonin activity the risks remain the same.

I would flee from this stuff screaming in terror personally and i happily do meth and other bad naughty drugs which i consider fine and no where near the risk of damage and life impacting issues then MDMA can cause let alone meph. I may be wrong (but that doesn't happen often lol)

 

[down508]

I think it's likely you didn't get real meph, so it could have been a number of different chems.

 

[blight12]

^^ What makes you think that?

 

[down508]

well if your in the U.S. meph is extremely rare. a lot of people claiming to sell meph are really selling 4-mec. unless you got it straight from a highly regarded lab/vendor than it's unlikely you got meph. if your in the UK than it's more probable you did real meph, but because of the fact that you said you were doing meth as well you being in the UK is pretty much out of the question.

unless it stinks of crabs or coconut/pinapple you got a meph substitute.

 

[blight12]

Yeah having done methcathinone often, they are are easy to identify since it smells of roses and sweetness and other innocent things. Crabs though i dont get. Do you mean actual crabs or the crotch dwelling variety which still confuses me either way.

Im certain actual crabs dont have an odour since they prob dont sweat from their shells for one and also bathe on a permanent basis as well, and the other kind makes me wonder how you know how they smell and if its possibly unrelated to little critters and possibly an environmental or habitat based cause? Again im still confused either way, but definitely intrigued and hope for further clarification with anticipation.

 

[down508]

smells like actual cooked crabs.itsd hard to describe but if you did it during preban days aka 2009-10 then you'll know the smell

 

[blight12]

Ok but i would be concerned about hygiene issues if if got smelly crab that should be buy its very nature be rather clean and free of skin and realted excretions or sweat. Perhaps the smell is from the insides and digestive system contents. Either way, nay to smelly crab. Though you do allude to a time period and that these issues might have improved afterwards so i guess its all good though i do feel curious about the cause of this to be honest.

 

[jess046]

i'm pretty certain it is mephedrone. my vendor is pretty reliable.

I'm not from the U.S. I'm Australian. I've had mephedrone from other vendors and it feels the same. And I have experienced no problems in the past, not even on higher doses.

I also developed this weird bumpy rash a few weeks ago that hasn't gone away. Could it be mephedrone related? Keep in mind I've used before without getting a rash...

Would using a steroid the day before cause a bad reaction? That's the only other anomaly I could think of. My meth was also about three months old. Could it have become contaminated or 'bad'?

Blah, too many questions and variables. I think will try mephedrone again, but will probably give it a longer break.
But if anybody has something to show me or tell me that will convince me to stop, please do. I'm unsure how vasconstriction works, so I really need somebody more knowledgeable to lead me in the right direction if I'm taking a dangerous path (yes I see the irony as any drug is dangerous, but if vasconstriction is the kind of thing that will remain dormant until I use again, I need to know).

 

[Diloadid]

I think it's likely you didn't get real meph, so it could have been a number of different chems.

I really dislike people suggesting the substances any OP is suggesting to be a different chemical. It is possible it is not 4-MMC, but I'll take OPs word for it.

Also, if you can specifically smell between chemical differences you have one good sniffer. Most cathinones smell like shit.

OP, be careful combing stimulants. In the future you should choose between one or the other. Both substances are great when taken solo IMO.

 

[blight12]

You should not get vasoc when sober and beyond the high and the comedown. Be critical when judging lingering effects though, take note of some things that might seem like related effects indicating continued SNS activity but are actually perhaps just lingering effects that are actually caused by sensitivity to damage or noticeable things like this.

Its difficult to explain but for example i often have wierd bruises that linger in wierd places from some minor pressure to the area for some extended time for example, and due to the blood flow issues this might be more likely to happen. I also have extended perception of red or inflamed skin similar to how it looks with VasoC (or for example red raw hands from extended self abuse lol) that would likely show as some kind of symptom for a bit longer then the drug lasts. With calm analysis its easy to tell the difference.

The thing is that real vaso C symptoms that persist need medical attention or diagnosis but just remain critical and take the time to make sure its not some raw skin from the experience instead of actual active symptom that needs attention. Especially since the scenario when these judgments take place are likely comedown or day after with anxiety.

Anyways, this wierd shit can cause some paranoia and anxiety. I have near freaked out and its easy to get one look at your red glowing feet that look fucking wierd and kick start a process of escalating anxiety and paranoia about this going nowhere good. It always seems to work out and never become a real or lingering issue in my experience. No heath issues have remained or become apparent.

I will say however that when this shit gets to levels of imminent panic or perceived as some real health risk, alcohol, a few wiskeys have saved my ass in this respect with anti anxiety effects as well as directly treating the vasoc shit. Its generally not advised or recommended but i honestly must make note of the benefits here especially when you can just feel your mind is building up to a freak out session thats not going to go well at all if you dont do something about it.

In my high doses having a bottle of wiskey nearby especially for say two or three is a necessity at this point, i cant deny the benefits here. I wonder why is generally not recommended since I have never experienced anything even hinting at negative results with alcohol and meth (only when the SNS gets out of hand though) but i always ensure very careful hydration in combo with any alcohol use. You do not want that problem on meth, its a bad place beyond the above issues. Never again.

 

[blight12]

I really dislike people suggesting the substances any OP is suggesting to be a different chemical. It is possible it is not 4-MMC, but I'll take OPs word for it.

Also, if you can specifically smell between chemical differences you have one good sniffer. Most cathinones smell like shit.

OP, be careful combing stimulants. In the future you should choose between one or the other. Both substances are great when taken solo IMO.

Yeah for sure. Beyond the risks and issues it just seems like any combo is unnecessary and each has its effect thats perfect as it is, however different, it seems pointless to mix. Dunno just have a sense of improved effects or comfort knowing whats doing XX to me and confusion is unnecessary.

 

[Diloadid]

There are loads of great combos, I just don't see methamphetamine and 4-MMC being a great one.

 

[ledlight]

BE CAREFUL - I would not do mePH anymore!!! Rash is an indicator of allergic reaction in A LOT of actual prescription drugs, and you can just suddenly develop an allergy - think penicillin as 1 (of MANY examples out there) - if someone is allergic and they are given it the 1st time they will be fine, just bad rash and other symptoms, but after that initial reaction it then becomes a DEADLY allergic reaction!