RCs First bad experience with mephedrone. Should I use it again?

[jess046]

Good point, ledlight.

This rash doesn't seem to be going away. I'm going to see a dermatologist soon, but I don't know what to do...I really want to find out if it's the mephedrone causing it. I mean, I have used it weeks in a row with no negative reactions so I'm not sure. But it's weird that the rash sprung up on Saturday night, just after I'd redosed on mephedrone (but not after the first dose?).

Is there any safe way to test an allergic reaction? :/ I don't really want to tell my DR I'm using meph...don't think she'd even know what it is.

Btw, got a small update- I've noticed my fingers keep going from normal to having red splotches in the same places. I was sitting in a very cold room today and the splotches went sort of purpley. It's a concern. No numbness or tingling, however.

Will other stims, like X be safe to use or can they cause vasconstriction to flare up again?

 

[F1n1shed]

Even before you decided to take the meph, I would have suggested against it.


Remember - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. (abbrev. definition in my words).

I literally think i am insane then. I cannot tell you how many times i smoked weed when they were causing me panic attacks. It was due to previous rolling experiences, but yea i just didn't want to give up the weed experience. Kept smoking and smoking, getting panic attacks 80% of the time. But eventually my body adjusted to it, although i would still get anxious sometimes the panic attacks vanished. I am insane : (

 

[shreddedlettuce]

So am I.
Seriously.

 

[down508]

I really dislike people suggesting the substances any OP is suggesting to be a different chemical. It is possible it is not 4-MMC, but I'll take OPs word for it.

Also, if you can specifically smell between chemical differences you have one good sniffer. Most cathinones smell like shit.

OP, be careful combing stimulants. In the future you should choose between one or the other. Both substances are great when taken solo IMO.

unfortunately in the real world people mislabel drugs, and due to his location and the current legal state of mephedrone it's safe to say it's a pretty rare find. he very well could have it, that's not impossible, but realistically you need to take into account the fact that he has absolutely no way of telling what it really is short of a GC/MS equipped laboratory, which I'm going go on a limb and say he doesn't have. no one really knows the complex actions of mephedrone and how they could produce side effects when combined with other drugs, so regardless of whether it is or isn't 4-mmc we're all pretty much guessing. so I guess the bottom line is it doesn't matter, you could replace the words mephedrone with just about any other synthetic cathinone and we would be just as clueless.

 

[jess046]

Small update.

I ended up trying a small dose (about 40mg) to see how I went and there were zero side effects. It's hard to tell at this stage if I have caused any permanent damage, as I haven't experimented with a large enough dose and the rash has gone undiagnosed until I see a doctor next week. I have had no other symptoms of vasconstriction since, apart from this red splotchy thing on my finger that comes and goes. I have had one doctor look at my fingers and he said it may have been a mild case of raynaud's syndrome, but he couldn't tell as he wasn't a specialist (and was a damn lousy doctor too).

In any case this is a warning to anybody using this stuff that it can turn on you very quickly. And mixing meth and meph is obviously the key issue here, so if anything, I can help spread some awareness that this is a dangerous combination.

I will return with an update later to see if my mephedrone use has caused Raynaud's Syndrome.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Not sure if this is good HR advice or not, but after several months of using meph i began to get vaso problems. Scary ones likes pins and needles travelling from finger tips, all the way up your arms, and then finally theyd start on the face. It must take a little time for the damage to accumulate significantly. But red red wine is an excellent vaso dilator; im not talking about drinking a whole bottle, just try one glass to start with, see if that helps, if not add another. I know the usual HR advice is not to mix alcohol with drugs, but most people do, and 2 glasses of red wine is health promoting. I never had vaso constriction again.

Also im pretty sure meph doesnt directly affect serotonin. Im no brain chemistry expert, but from what i understand, altering one area of brain functioning (in this case i believe its primarily dopamine) can and usually dose have a knock on effect on many other aspects. Im pretty sure meph doesnt have a huge effect on serotonin; i say this because ive been on ssris for years. These either stop serotogeneric drugs from working all together (eg mdma) or risk causing seizures (eg tramadol). I didnt experience any such problems. Sorry this is only anecdotal 'evidence' but im fairly sure ive got at least most of the statements right.

Thirdly your not insane either; as you wont be doing the same thing again will you, as in taking meth and then meph ? I guarentee red wine will work, or your money back !

 

[jess046]

That's interesting because I drink a lot of red wine and was drinking red wine when I tried the 'sample.'

How often did you use meph to prompt the pins and needles? That sounds kind of scary...

I'm more worried about my boyfriend as he is quite addicted to the stuff and will usually use about half a gram a weekend. I don't want to be giving him drugs that will cause him to start get vasconstriction symptoms too.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

How often did you use meph to prompt the pins and needles? That sounds kind of scary...

I was only a 'weekend warrior' with meph, but it would have been every weekend for several months until the stockpile i bought pre ban ran out. How i wish id been able to save it for proper occasions like going to a gig or something. Once i started using at home i couldnt stop. Never used it during the week though.

Once i stopped using meph i never got pins and needles again, except on one occasion when i was sitting for a very long time. But that could happen to anyone in that scenario.

 

[jess046]

so you you used how much per weekend? And how bad did the symptoms get? Did they get successively worse?

So far I've been on max about 200-300mg a weekend. I've been using for a couple of months now.

My boyfriend hasn't had any side effects so go figure. Then again nothing he ever uses (and abuses) ever fucks him up -_-

 

[Treefa]

Dude you know what gets you REALLY HIGH???

Shooting Round-up. About 3ml's you'll be fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up man i tells ya!!

 

[mydrugbuddy]

so you you used how much per weekend? And how bad did the symptoms get? Did they get successively worse?

So far I've been on max about 200-300mg a weekend. I've been using for a couple of months now.

My boyfriend hasn't had any side effects so go figure. Then again nothing he ever uses (and abuses) ever fucks him up -_-

tbh i cant really remember how much i used as it must be a couple of years ago now. But it was probably about 6 months before the problems started, at first just slight, but soon after got the arms and face thing. I drank wine before my meph after that, and didnt have any more VC problems. Your bf may seem invincible, but no one is. Some people suffer side effects sooner than others.

 

[Machete]

Well, given how bad people who regularly use meph turn out (I know my fair share of meph monkeys), I've always interpreted a bad experience on it as a good opportunity to learn your lesson.

Fortunately for me, my first time with it was terrible. I don't remember much about the day except that meph was so moreish that I would've killed my mum for it and that I accidentally overdosed in the end. That was years ago now and I haven't touched it since despite plenty of offers.

Learn your lesson now while you're still likely to come out of it with no long-term health complications.

 

[ErgicMergic]

^Exactly. Reading all the horror stories stemming from Mephedrone and MDPV use on Erowid and here on BL has kept me from ever ordering or trying a RC (research chemical).

 

[jess046]

Would anybody be able to link me some information about long-term health effects of regular meph use (that isn't binging)?

I tested a real dose the other day. 300mg over a number of hours. The experience was wonderful. The next day, however? Freaky comedown.

I was really sensitive to light. Extremely lightheaded. Every so often I would get this weird sensation in my head, maybe a brain zap. Not sure exactly how to describe it. Sick and nauseous. Just horrendous and totally not worth the high. I noticed my hand rash came back mildly the next day. My legs went numb too.

My consensus? Yeah, this stuff isn't safe. On smaller doses perhaps, but I would never go above 1 point again.

The weird thing is a friend of mine nearly went through a gram and was fine.

 

[Machete]

Would anybody be able to link me some information about long-term health effects of regular meph use (that isn't binging)?

I tested a real dose the other day. 300mg over a number of hours. The experience was wonderful. The next day, however? Freaky comedown.

I was really sensitive to light. Extremely lightheaded. Every so often I would get this weird sensation in my head, maybe a brain zap. Not sure exactly how to describe it. Sick and nauseous. Just horrendous and totally not worth the high. I noticed my hand rash came back mildly the next day. My legs went numb too.

My consensus? Yeah, this stuff isn't safe. On smaller doses perhaps, but I would never go above 1 point again.

The weird thing is a friend of mine nearly went through a gram and was fine.

Brain zaps feel like little electric shocks in your brain. Usually they're the result of SSRI discontinuation syndrome so they'd normally happen at the end of a long binge spanning, at least, several days. That said, I don't know that much about them so I suppose it's entirely possible that you did experience them. Horrible feeling anyway, I managed to get them at the end of a week of heavy MDAI use. :/

If I was in your position, I wouldn't take meph anymore at all. You might be better at resisting the temptation to redose than I was but, personally, I know how easily a promise like that would be broken if it was me.

 

[nordicnutcase]

Good point, ledlight.

This rash doesn't seem to be going away. I'm going to see a dermatologist soon, but I don't know what to do...I really want to find out if it's the mephedrone causing it. I mean, I have used it weeks in a row with no negative reactions so I'm not sure. But it's weird that the rash sprung up on Saturday night, just after I'd redosed on mephedrone (but not after the first dose?).

Is there any safe way to test an allergic reaction? :/ I don't really want to tell my DR I'm using meph...don't think she'd even know what it is.

Btw, got a small update- I've noticed my fingers keep going from normal to having red splotches in the same places. I was sitting in a very cold room today and the splotches went sort of purpley. It's a concern. No numbness or tingling, however.

Will other stims, like X be safe to use or can they cause vasconstriction to flare up again?

I had this and it scared the shit out of me. It eventually calms down and your hand goes back to normal but my right hand and arm would noticeably flare up for months after use in the exact way you described. Stay away from the stuff in my opinion...how can a transient high be worth so much worry about unknown symptoms etc?