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finding visuals without mindfuckery

In my experience, 2C-C can get somewhat dissociative at higher doses (c. 50 mg - 100 mg oral), which is also where it really shines visually for me.

I found an ill advised and unintended high dose (estimated to have been 50 mg) 2C-B insufflation (following mephedrone) to produce very striking and full-on (but not especially profound) visuals as well as pronounced physical stimulation, with very little in the way of cognitive effects. Then again, on low dose 2C-B, I have experienced cognitive effects without visuals. :)
 
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If you're getting mindfuck off Salvia and shrooms, I'd stear clear of LSD recreationally personally, use it only as a therapeutic tool, until your head is a lil clearer, imo.

Stick to stuff like 2CB, 2C-I, and DMT(possibly changa? or just freebased).
 
I've found that shrooms had less of a mindfuck than LSD which was pretty cool because i could focus on my visuals more. Through the many times i've tried salvia not once did i enjoy my trip, maybe Soon ill give it another go but it could just be that salvia isn't for me. I would say as long as you are in the right set and setting you will enjoy your trip on LSD no matter how much mindfuck you get.
 
LSD is a giant mind fuck for me with so many hallucinations, I like that though... LSD hands down is the best psychedelic imo.

Still waiting to try some of the research chems like 2c-xs, DOxs and possibly bromo-dragonfly
 
bromo-dragonfly - best true psychedelic visuals i've had + little to no mind fuck

(i've had better visuals from other things such as MD(M)A but they're completely different from true psychedelic visuals ime)
 
finding visuals without mindfuckery
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Milkdrop?



Smoke changa though. That stuff is insanely visual -- much moreso than even DMT alone. And, changa brings no mindfuckery. Only mindexpansery!
 
i noticed very little mindfuck on both 2cE and 2cI... the visuals on 2cE can get really nice if you dose in the higher range.
 
I think one of the 2C-x's would fit this description, Id say 2C-I in particular, seeing as in my experience it lacks the same "ego crushing" tendencies that 2C-E and 2C-P seem to have. that said I think any PEA would do a better job of producing eye candy without mindfuckery, at least in comparison to any of the tryptamines I've tried. It''s a big part of why I find 2C-E so interesting, because I will find myself immersed in a bizarre world of impermanent undulation and color, yet feel simultaneously normal and fucked up beyond all recognition. To a certain extent, I think that mindfuckery is an inescapable part of the psychedelic experience
 
2C's can't compare with tryptamines for hallucinogenic depth... 2C-E comes close but the 4-HO/4-AcO compounds tend to still blow it out of the water.

Nothing beats the visuals of high dose DMT, salvia, or MDXX though... on the last of the list, I've flat out seen full color cartoons appear on the wall... and subsequently fly off... I remember I was camping one time, rolling on MDA, and watched Ms. Pacman smack Pacman out of the sky with a baseball bat... and thought it was perfectly normal to see such a thing in broad daylight...
 
Can anyone else agree that shrooms are perhaps THE MOST mindfuckery of any psychedelic? (excluding Salvia because it is dissociative rather than psychedelic)

For me shrooms produce the most confusion (stoning), heaviest body load, and most ego loss (self-analysis). So I'd list stoning, body load, and ego loss as the uncomfortable elements of a trip (for those who want just a recreational visual experience), which the OP probably wants to avoid.

I'm wondering how DMT would rank on the list of these 3 'sketchy' elements of trips. I could see it lacking a body load and stoning, but people say that you remain yourself: however all the TRs I've read seem to suggest ego loss, so this one I'm unsure of (haven't done it).
 
IMO shrooms are actually quite low on the mind-fuckery aspect. Psilohuasca (syrian rue + psilocybes) is INCREDIBLY HIGH on mind-fuckery. My one experience with LSD was pretty much ALL mind-fuck.
 
sounds like you're looking for images that don't have meaning. Any image/visual that looks 'cool' or good or fun or intense, is going to carry with it a corresponding level of meaning/feeling. Cannot really have one without the other.
 
RedRum OG said:
ive tried salvia and shrooms and DXM. and with all i have found that i am always too mindfucked to process or enjoy them. are all psychs like this? i am thinking about trying acid.... will this be a more clear-headed trip where i can enjoy the scenery? because thats what i was looking for in shrooms/dxm/salvia and no....
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I've heard that 5-MeO-DALT gives lots of OEVs when vaped at around 10 milligrams.

I know mescaline gives great visuals and the mental state is definitely way better than fucking DXM or salvia.

DET, when smoked, is visual as shit, and lasts for hours, not minutes like DMT. Good luck finding it, though!
 
atara said:
I've heard that 5-MeO-DALT gives lots of OEVs when vaped at around 10 milligrams.

I know mescaline gives great visuals and the mental state is definitely way better than fucking DXM or salvia.

DET, when smoked, is visual as shit, and lasts for hours, not minutes like DMT. Good luck finding it, though!
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mescaline was one of the only drugs that i completely lost myself on. talking to things that where not really there... letting inanimate objects boss me around... was kinda interesting.. i would not say that it comes with no mind fuck.

shrooms dont have a huge mind fuck IMO. i personally cant get passed the horribly sick feeling i get from them.

the LEAST mind fuck i've ever gotten has been from 2C-E and 2C-I, as previously stated.
 
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Take a lower dose of DXM, lay in your bed in total silence or with some ambient music through headphones, turn the lights off. Report back...
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Soooo, If I get one of those 4 floz bottles would that be enough for a first timer?
 
4+ grams of shrooms get pretty visual. Of course, you don't really consciously comprehend it at that point, but while coming up, it is pretty awesome.
 
you,ve got to be very head strong for lsd but yeah you get some awsome visions ive made some visuals that are perfect for when your on acid you can watch some of them here

www.vjrama.co.uk
 
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