ive tried salvia and shrooms and DXM. and with all i have found that i am always too mindfucked to process or enjoy them. are all psychs like this? i am thinking about trying acid.... will this be a more clear-headed trip where i can enjoy the scenery? because thats what i was looking for in shrooms/dxm/salvia and no....
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finding visuals without mindfuckery
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cosmic charlie
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I find acid to provide much more interesting visuals for me then the three substances you've mentioned. It is a clear headed trip if dosed in the proper amount, I would suggest 1-2 tabs depending on their potency. DXM isn't very visual for me and neither is salvia if it's not taken in a breakthrough dose, which can be a very visual if it is. It's not really pleasant for me at all though and it's one of my least favorite psychedelics. Shrooms on the other hand if dosed right are very visual and euphoric, I've had some really amazing trips on mushrooms. The visuals they provide tend to be very colorful and things will begin to melt and swirl together. It really is a lovely thing to bare witness to. Usually I like eating around 2 grams of them.
I would give LSD a try though, even if not just for the visuals but because it's one of, if not the best psych out there.
I would give LSD a try though, even if not just for the visuals but because it's one of, if not the best psych out there.
Outta Pocket
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Take a lower dose of DXM, lay in your bed in total silence or with some ambient music through headphones, turn the lights off. Report back...
4-aco-dmt. Hands down my favorite psychedelic to date. Ive been having very hard to get through trips on LSD lately so i tried 4-aco-dmt and at about a 25-30 mg dose causes for very nice visuals. Lots of moving and growing and shrinking of items around the room. Lately ive been having a blast laying on the ground staring at the celing dance for hours on end with the music.
But if your looking for no mind-fuck i would say without a doubt go with the 4-aco-dmt.
But if your looking for no mind-fuck i would say without a doubt go with the 4-aco-dmt.
Personally ive never done 2C-B so i cant speak against that. But when i did 2C-I i was slightly distracted. The visuals were different. Not so much in your face as the 4-aco-dmt. And for me personally 4-aco-dmt isnt mind fuck at all you get slightly lazy as you would on some mushrooms.
Looking to try 2C-E as i can inquire that. Herd its a visual party with the slight stimulation as its a phen. 2C-B is not so common in my area that ive seen.
Looking to try 2C-E as i can inquire that. Herd its a visual party with the slight stimulation as its a phen. 2C-B is not so common in my area that ive seen.
SKL
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2C-I has an annoying bodyload and 2C-E is mindfuckery.
2C-B has less of both.
On second thought I think the best thing for the OP would be a cocktail of 60-80mg of 2C-D with 10-20mg of dexedrine or 20-30mg or racemic amphetamine (30-50mg of racemic paste) or maybe ~5-10mg of pure methamp. This is almost totally lucid, it has a positive euphoria, neat visuals, and almost no anxiety or mindfuckery; however, it has very little depth to it but i dont suppose that is what the OP is looking for ...
Incidentally the psychedelic part off that combo lasts almost the exact length of a rock concert.
Neat-o
2C-B has less of both.
On second thought I think the best thing for the OP would be a cocktail of 60-80mg of 2C-D with 10-20mg of dexedrine or 20-30mg or racemic amphetamine (30-50mg of racemic paste) or maybe ~5-10mg of pure methamp. This is almost totally lucid, it has a positive euphoria, neat visuals, and almost no anxiety or mindfuckery; however, it has very little depth to it but i dont suppose that is what the OP is looking for ...
Incidentally the psychedelic part off that combo lasts almost the exact length of a rock concert.
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A lot of people on here don't like 2C-I, but I find it clear headed with little body load, just tweaky.
It is full of bleeding, traily, 2C visuals, though, I use it for spinning poi a lot.
It is full of bleeding, traily, 2C visuals, though, I use it for spinning poi a lot.
SKL
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dont get me wrong, I like 2C-I a lot, in fact, as a psychedelic, I probably like it better than 2C-B, but i need a quarter bar of xan or so to calm the bodily agitation least it soon progress to mental agitation. 2C-Is a lovely material though. much more versatile than 2C-B which i always thought wanted for depth if not for warmth.
but for sheer recreational value, 2C-D is the bee's knees, albeit a bit boring if you dont include a little something else (MDMA if you want it,but if you just want to take the effects up a notch, a spot of amphetamine will do you just fine...) in fact its probably my favorite simple 2C just for grin value
but for sheer recreational value, 2C-D is the bee's knees, albeit a bit boring if you dont include a little something else (MDMA if you want it,but if you just want to take the effects up a notch, a spot of amphetamine will do you just fine...) in fact its probably my favorite simple 2C just for grin value
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If I were you I would smoke some DMT. That shit is the most intensely visual experience (smoking 50 to 60mg at a time , with some caapi leaf) with almost no mindfuckery other than how alien the nature of the experience is. If you go into the experience knowing that its gonna just be a beautifully insanely crazy visual experience, where you will seem to be in a different reality but will still remember that you are just on drugs (for the most part) it is probably exactly what your looking for.
And the best part about it is when smoking DMT with caapi, you can either keep smoking it and stay in / keep going back to hyperspace, Or you can smoke it once and be back to normal in about 20 minutes tops, with only about 5 minutes of it being super intense.
Be careful and look up DMT and caapi before using as caapi has a RIMA (MAOI) in it and it can cause serious problems for people on certain meds or even with certain diets or other street drugs in their system.
It is extremely visual. Lots of sacred geometry based visuals (interconected shapes and stuff)
some shit is so bizarr that it cant be described though lol
And the best part about it is when smoking DMT with caapi, you can either keep smoking it and stay in / keep going back to hyperspace, Or you can smoke it once and be back to normal in about 20 minutes tops, with only about 5 minutes of it being super intense.
Be careful and look up DMT and caapi before using as caapi has a RIMA (MAOI) in it and it can cause serious problems for people on certain meds or even with certain diets or other street drugs in their system.
It is extremely visual. Lots of sacred geometry based visuals (interconected shapes and stuff)
some shit is so bizarr that it cant be described though lol
SirTophamHat
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I would snort some 2cb and smoke a joint, foolproof. LSD lasts a long time and is more likely to give you a mindfuck imo.
I just ordered some 2C-I for the purpose of this objective. I'm hoping it's what I'm looking for, next on my list is 4-aco-dmt.
My first most visual trip was on AMT and it was very clear headed so I'd like to find something like that. I just had three trips on 2C-E which were all pretty coherent except for a few mins during my experience with 15 mg. The mindfuck to visuals ratio there though might be more than I can handle.
I'd love to do some DMT for sure but knowing my anxiety, I am in no rush. I could never imagine any anxiety from DXM though.
My first most visual trip was on AMT and it was very clear headed so I'd like to find something like that. I just had three trips on 2C-E which were all pretty coherent except for a few mins during my experience with 15 mg. The mindfuck to visuals ratio there though might be more than I can handle.
I'd love to do some DMT for sure but knowing my anxiety, I am in no rush. I could never imagine any anxiety from DXM though.
demon66
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Go with the L if you can get it
Thorns Have Roses
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I've heard 4-HO-MET is good for this.
From the B&D thread on it:
From the B&D thread on it:
teh1buck
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A few of the research chemicals, like already mentioned. I've only had the pleasure of trying 2c-i so far, and I can assure you that it's not too mindfuck, but visuals are most definitely there, and can be pretty damn intense with a good dose.