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Final chapter in Melb Gang War - Carl Williams dead

I know someone on another forum that's a screw at Barwon, I'll hit him up and see whether I can get any gos
 
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Hey I'm a fat prick now from not taking pills and I like my sportswear. =D

But on a serious note my condolences to his daughter Dakota..
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lol... and don't forget the munchies from the choof... ;)

but yes, the girl is the one who suffers most from this - RIP :\


let's see vicpol pick up the pace... c'mon cunts, plenty of time to bust kids with negligible amounts of drugs, now get to work on a murder/assault case already :p
 
I must say he got what was coming to him... And, having only just seen a real life pic of him, he's a lot uglier than how they portray him in Underbelly.
 
it's all dodge, i saw it on sunrise this morning, showing big pics of carl smiling walking around, he prolly just pissed some people off.. and they belted him, not intending to kill him.. i mean he was in the slots.. not alot of chances for you to die.

or it was a big set up by police to get him knocked..
 
kingpin: full story will be covered up to kingdom come. and you and i both know that. Just that people were pissed blah blah...

Honestly, i believe this is a police corruption case...

As stated in my above post - how many chances are there for you to be knocked in the slot - with 1hr of yard time a day
 
Carl Williams bashed to death in jail

By Michelle Draper, Greg Roberts and Edwina Scott, AAP April 19, 2010, 5:23 pm

Gangland killer Carl Williams has been bashed to death in his high security prison in Victoria.

Police say they believe Williams suffered serious head injuries after allegedly being struck about the head in an altercation with another inmate about 12.50pm (AEDT) on Monday.

Gallery: Carl Williams - life in pictures

An Ambulance Victoria spokeswoman said Williams went into cardiac arrest and could not be revived.

A man is in custody, police said, and homicide squad detectives are at the prison.

Police said the assault occurred in an exercise yard and two other inmates and a weapon were involved.

A prison officer was about 10 metres away when the incident occurred, corrections officials said.

Corrections minister Bob Cameron said Williams was housed in a unit with two other inmates who have been placed in a secure area.

The three men were allowed to associate with each other for six hours a day, between 8am and 2pm, but were not always supervised.

"There are times when they are supervised, there are times when they are not," said deputy corrections commissioner Rod Wise.

Mr Wise said it was not practical to have every prisoner supervised when they were out of their cell.

CCTV footage of the assault will be crucial to the homicide investigation.

Williams, 39, was serving life imprisonment in Barwon's maximum security Acacia unit with a non-parole period of 35 years after pleading guilty to ordering the murders of three underworld rivals and the failed conspiracy to murder lawyer Mario Condello.

He was found guilty in 2007 of murdering underworld figures Jason Moran, Lewis Moran and Michael Marshall.

He had also been convicted of killing drug trafficker Mark Mallia and on multiple charges of drugs trafficking.

Williams' lawyer Rob Stary said he spoke to Williams about 9am (AEST) on Monday about an article in a News Ltd newspaper, which reported that Victoria Police have paid $8000 to allow his daughter to attend a top private school.

Mr Stary said he and Williams talked "about how disturbed we were that material was being leaked to the press".

"Of course he was (upset)," he told AAP.

"It exposes his daughter to risk. Of course he was concerned about that. He was not concerned about his own wellbeing, he was concerned about her.

"I just hope that justice prevails."

He said he did not know the circumstances of Williams' death.

Williams was held in solitary confinement at the Acacia Unit and the only time he came into contact with other prisoners was when he exercised, Mr Stary said.

Inmates were permitted to exercise in the company of another prisoner but under strict supervision, Mr Stary said.

Underworld figure Mick Gatto said he had heard unconfirmed rumours about Williams having died but said that was all he had heard.

"I would rather let dead dogs lie," he told AAP.

"If you hear any more let me know but I would rather not comment on him."

He said Williams was "certainly not" a friend.

Williams had one child with his ex-wife Roberta Williams, a convicted drug trafficker.

Williams' father George was released from prison in June 2009 after serving a sentence for drug trafficking, while his mother Barbara was found dead in 2009 after an apparent overdose.

Williams' life of crime started with a 1990 conviction for possession of stolen goods, for which he received a $400 fine.

His hatred for the Moran family was ignited in October 1999 when he was shot in the stomach by Jason Moran over a debt.

Williams made it his obsession to seek revenge on the Morans, escalating Melbourne's bloody gangland war.

Jason Moran was shot dead while sitting in a car at a children's football clinic in June 2003. His father Lewis was gunned down on Williams' orders in March 2004 in an inner suburban Melbourne club.

The gangland war was depicted in the top rating television series Underbelly.
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/7080105/carl-williams-bashed-to-death-in-jail/
 
He should have been placed in 24hr protective custody and or transfered immediately to another location.

police , prison officers and whoever leaked that letter will get a kick up the backside for this.

They have a special from 8:30pm tonight on channel 9 " Carl Williams - Baby Faced Killer " about his life ... might be worth a watch .. not much else is on.
 
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Anyone see Big Mick on the news? They asked if he thought Carl had it coming, after him saying he didn't want to be quoted, he just smiled and puffed on a big-arse cigar, blowing smoke at the reporter. Classic stuff.

Love Mick Gatto, especially throwing eggs at the ACA crew the morning after Condello got knocked, saw him once out the front of Grossi-Florentino one night while I was tripping on acid (pharoahs iirc), so wanted to call out 'On ya Mick, you beat the bastards', but was too paranoid lol.
 
Fatal ambush of Carl Williams came at hands of a friend and ally

* Mark Buttler, Anthony Dowsley
* From: Herald Sun
* April 20, 2010 12:00AM

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The body of Carl Williams leaves Barwon Prison in a Coroner's van. Picture: David Caird Source: Herald Sun

THE brutal ambush death of Carl Williams came at the hands of a friend and gangland ally.

Williams had no chance as the fellow prisoner - an armed robber with a two-decade history of violence - bludgeoned him with the stem of an exercise bike.

The leading figure in Melbourne's gangland wars collapsed to the floor of the Barwon Prison exercise yard after the deadly betrayal.

Williams, who had been sitting unsupervised at a table, was pronounced dead at 1.47pm.

Late on Monday night, his body was moved from the prison in a coroner's van.

The man who bashed Williams from behind is one of the prison system's most dangerous inmates, responsible for bashings, stabbings and riots in the past 20 years.

He was convicted over a 1998 bashing, which almost killed a murderer inmate and led a violent jail gang called the P.O.W.

"He's right off-tap," an underworld source said.

Another former Williams lieutenant was present during the brief, frenzied attack.

The witness is a convicted murderer who was close enough to Williams to at one stage be asked to be his daughter's godfather.

The men were sharing with Williams unit one of Barwon's Acacia unit, the state's most secure area of jail.

The former gangland kingpin, who was serving a minimum 35 years, suffered horrific head injuries in the attack and went into cardiac arrest.

Staff at the Geelong complex were told of the attack by one of the inmates.

CCTV footage in the state-of-the-art unit clearly captured the final moments of the man who killed at least three others during Melbourne's gangland wars.

A guard was stationed 10m from the violence but not in the same room, corrections authorities said.

Williams got a booze-fuelled send off late on Monday night as family arrived at his father's home armed with supplies.

Lynette White, Carl's cousin, brought a carton of VB, two bottles of champagne and cigarettes to George William's Broadmeadows home shortly before 9pm.

Shocked family and friends visited the house late into the night.

While his family were left devastated by the death, others were not upset at all.

"I would rather let dead dogs die," his former gangland rival Mick Gatto told the Herald Sun.

Six hours after the death, a chorus of howling could be heard from behind the walls of Barwon.

The death of Williams is now the subject of three investigations, by the homicide squad, the Coroner and Corrections Victoria.

The two men with whom Williams shared the unit - who on Monday night were separated - had known him for years.

Corrections Victoria deputy commissioner Rod Wise said one of the men, of "particular special interest to the police", had been in Acacia with Williams for 15 months and the witness for nine.

Mr Wise said Williams was "happy" to share the unit with the pair and there had been no previous incidents involving the trio.

Homicide squad boss Det-Insp Bernie Edwards said it appeared an exercise bike was taken into one of the cells and its stem removed for use as a makeshift baton.

"One of the other inmates, there's three inmates all together, including Carl, one of the other inmates has walked up to Carl, struck him to the head several times with a heavy instrument and Carl has died at the scene," Det-Insp Edwards said.

Det-Insp Edwards said the attack had been captured on CCTV footage.

"We're just going to treat it like every normal murder investigation or homicide investigation," he said.

"The facts are pretty clear on the CCTV footage, but we have to look for a motive and reason behind the killing.

"It didn't look like there was an argument."

Det-Inspector Edwards said Williams had been friendly with the man who bashed him.

"I believe they were or have a history of being on pretty good grounds," he said.

"I believe they've been housed together for a long time."

Williams' father George was "shattered", according to friends offering their condolences at his Broadmeadows home.

They said he was upset that the killers were able to launch the fatal attack.

"It's supposed to be maximum security," one friend said.

Williams' lawyer, Rob Stary, called for an investigation independent of Victoria Police and Corrections Victoria.

"What, effectively, I'm asking for is a royal commission. We thought he was secure, he thought he was secure," Mr Stary said.

Prison sources said Williams was found to have serious bruising when strip-searched by guards three weeks ago.

Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Simon Overland yesterday told the State Government no stone would be left unturned.

Police Minister Bob Cameron said he was "very, very concerned" that such a notorious criminal has been murdered while in prison.

"The Chief Commissioner is very determined to get to the bottom of this," Mr Cameron said.

"Simon Overland and his team got to the bottom of the underworld murders and they will get to the bottom of this."

- with Wayne Flower, Amelia Harris and Steve McMahon
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/fa...-friend-and-ally/story-e6frf7jo-1225855706210
 
Six hours after the death, a chorus of howling could be heard from behind the walls of Barwon.
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the dogs howl ...

watch this thread there will be alot of shit being dragged up ...

hes dead now so police will admit he was an informer etc and watching that show tonight about his life it said he would do ANYTHING to get out of jail ... and so he did and paid the ultimate price.

This just proves no matter what the police say to you if your a witness or a dog then they can't always be there to stop the bad guys bending you over or worse.
 
People reckon my life has been glamorous. They are off their heads'



* Adam Shand
* From: Herald Sun
* April 20, 2010 12:00AM

JUST weeks ago, Carl Williams had been full of regret at how his life had turned out. He didn't feel tough or defiant, just lost and alone.

"People reckon my life has been glamorous. Well, if this is glamour, then they're just off their heads," he had told this reporter.

He had been the king of Melbourne's underworld for a brief moment; now, his realm was nothing more than a 4x3m cell in Barwon Prison.

He spent his days staring at television, reading the occasional book and enjoying a few hours of exercise with a couple of hand-picked inmates.

He always believed he was a target. In his short murderous spree, he had learnt that if someone wanted to get him badly enough there was nothing he could do.

But he wouldn't make it easy for his killer.

When they came for him he would fight it to the death.

"Better a tiger for a day than a sheep for life," he once told me, borrowing a line from Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini.

On the weekend, he had been aware that the Herald Sun planned to run the story on Victoria Police paying $8000 towards the school fees of his daughter Dhakota. There were already stories that Carl and his father George had enjoyed a seaside break from prison a year ago.

Another story suggesting special treatment was the last thing Carl needed.

There was a still a string of women prepared to visit him in jail to bask in the glow of underworld legend.

He couldn't understand why they still came but he didn't discourage them.

It was a link with the world he once enjoyed.

Almost all of the old crew had dropped off him now.

It was only his father George and a couple of his old school mates from Broadmeadows who had continued to visit him, he said.

It was a slow daily torture for a man who had once been very social and gregarious.

Now he relied heavily on his ex-wife Roberta.

Without her, he said, he would have gone mad long ago inside Barwon.

She kept him in touch with the outside world, ran errands for him and talked him through the prison blues that descended from time to time.

They were divorced and there were frequent nasty verbal battles with her, usually over other women.

"But I will always be connected with her, whether we are married or not," he said.

"We probably should never have got married, but just stayed best friends.

"We will always stay that way," he told me.

"Bert's the one who stuck by me when everybody else just disappeared," he said.

Every day he would ring her, and Roberta would put the call on speaker and update him on the goings-on in the family.

Life was moving on and Carl was standing still; he was just a voice in the corner of the room.

The suicide of his mother Barbara in November 2008 had hit him hard.

He often boasted his mother visited him in jail, but his victims' families visited their loved ones in the cemetery.

So he won the war. But when Barbara died from an overdose of sleeping pills, he wasn't even allowed to attend his mother's funeral and it cut him deeply.

Once he had felt like a winner; now, there was only wreckage and ruin.

He had been up $20 million at his peak; now, drugs had completely destroyed his family.

He had seen his former allies turn on him, and give evidence against him.

What kept him going was the hope that one day he might live to see his daughter Dhakota, as a free man.

Roberta would bring Dhakota to Barwon Prison for weekly visits, but depending on his status, father and daughter might not even have contact.

He feared that his daughter was growing up without him.

The cheeky wit that had endeared him to powerful forces in the underworld was still there, but it seemed hollow now when I spoke with him.

He was keeping up appearances. He had enjoyed the media spotlight while he was on top - that was how he wanted people to remember him.

He knew there were people who wanted him dead still, but he was fatalistic.

"What can you do?" he said. "Que sera sera."

Carl said he wanted to write a book on his version of the epic gangland war story.

He was eager for Roberta to negotiate more media deals, a documentary, or even a reality TV series.

He knew interest in the story would eventually wane and he wanted to secure the future for his daughter.

There was no hidden loot, no cache of drugs that his family could fall back on, he said.

The government, his lawyers and the Australian Tax Office had got the lot. What they had to sell was their story, and he wanted Roberta to negotiate on his behalf.

He promised that he would serve up the truth on a string of unsolved murders in the gangland war, but only for a price. He was already writing chapters in jail and it was the best of all the books, including this reporter's version.

Everyone, it seemed, except him had made money from his story. Maybe it was his turn finally.

There would be a movie version, he promised. He certainly didn't want his portrayal by actor Gyton Grantley in Underbelly to be the way that people remembered him.

"He made me look like a brain-dead goose," he complained many times to me.

"Could I have survived for this long if I was as dumb as he made me out to be?"

Adam Shand is a News Ltd reporter and author of Big Shots: The Chilling Inside Story of Carl Williams and the Gangland War
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pe...-off-their-heads/story-e6frf7jo-1225855714377
 
Adam Shand is a shit journo, but he did get close to the actors involved and had a great relationship with th Williams crew, got fed a lot of BS but still gleaned insights that a real journalist wou;dn't have got. His book is well worth reading.

From The Age

Killed by a trusted inmate
SELMA MILOVANOVIC AND CAROLYN WEBB
April 20, 2010
CARL Williams was bashed to death in jail by a trusted fellow inmate who believed the gangland serial killer had become an informer, police believe.

As three separate probes began into the murder of one of Australia's most notorious criminals, it emerged that Williams' killer seized his chance when no guards were present in a room of the maximum security Acacia unit of Barwon Prison.
Carl Williams was all smiles as he posed in court for the photograph he had agreed to before his sentencing. Click for more photos


Police said Williams, 39, was approached from behind and struck in the head with the steel stem of an exercise bike just before 1pm yesterday.

A short time later, prison guards found him in cardiac arrest. Paramedics who were called to the scene were unable to revive him. He was pronounced dead at 1.47 pm.

Detective Inspector Bernie Edwards of the homicide squad said Williams and two other prisoners were in a combined kitchen and exercise room at the time of the attack.

''Carl was sitting at a table, one of the other prisoners came up behind and struck him to the head a number of times,'' he said. But it was ''more than likely'' more than one person would be charged, he said.

The killing has raised questions about security arrangements for high-risk prisoners, and threatens to undermine several criminal cases.

Sir Ken Jones, Deputy Commissioner of Victoria Police, admitted that some investigations could be compromised as a result of Williams' death.

''It doesn't take a genius to work out that there will be ramifications and impacts and we are alive to that and as we speak I've got people working on those,'' Sir Ken said.

Prosecutor Michele Williams, SC, told a hearing into a major criminal case yesterday that a decision would be made today on whether to continue.

The two inmates who last saw Williams alive were being questioned separately last night. One of the men, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was last year acquitted of murder and is on remand. He is to be tried on kidnapping and other charges.

The other man is Thomas Ivanovic, also known as ''Little Tommy''. The some-time drug dealer and trusted member of the ''Williams Crew'' during the gangland wars was jailed for 18 years in 2003 for the shooting murder of a motorcyclist.

Williams and Ivanovic had been close in the past. Williams asked him to be godfather to his daughter Dhakota, but Ivanovic was jailed before the christening.

Police sources said they had been told that Ivanovic was on the phone at the time of the attack and told the person he was speaking to what was occurring in front of him.

Inspector Edwards said that from security camera footage of the killing, it ''didn't look like there had been an argument''.

Deputy Corrections Commissioner Rod Wise said the two prisoners shared Williams' unit. Williams had spent 15 months socialising with the man who allegedly bashed him and nine months with the other. ''Mr Williams was happy with those arrangements. There had been no previous incidents or any problems between them.''

Mr Wise said the nearest guard was 10 metres away at the time of the killing. ''It's not practical to have every prisoner supervised at all times when they are out of cell,'' he said.

Police Minister Bob Cameron said police, the coroner and the Officer of the Correctional Services Review would investigate. He defended security arrangements. ''It is normal for prisoners to associate with others. The issue is the risk profile as to who associates with who,'' he said. ''Corrections have a very difficult task given the nature of the people who are imprisoned.''
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So anyone up to speed on who got acquitted last year on murder inrelation to this shit?
 
I'll let loose some real info here... my family is extremely close to Gatto, Williams and a few other mob families in melbourne... And i fucking hate it... This is so sensationalized, i reckon the media had the hit set up.. they have memorial shows like that for royalty, this was planned months in advance - the whole thing. And i'll say it again, this guy was in a slot unit, much like the shoes of american prisons. There is 100% surveilance, and they have non lethal weapons to use from distance to stop shit like this almost before it occurs. The prisoners trade letters - Williams likely paid the guy, with police and taxpayer money - because williams was worth more dead than alive. It happens to be a reasonably slow news day.... and about 3 major figures are dead or almost yesterday. bart cummings and horse, and williams.


The TV show made out that williams was some kid who fuckn just cooked up mdma in his backshed and tested it on mates... firstly, its really not some shake and bake, and if that is anything near the case, and williams is the shit cunt broadie boy he was made out to be - He actually was fucking intelligent and deserves some credit, because not even shulgin had any idea what the fuck he was doing without professional training. Hell if this was the case, i'd have been cooking drugs when i was 12 with my chemistry sets instead of making makeshift explosives and shit polymers to throw at people filled with sulfur.

There is no way they didn't know this was to happen today, and that tv show was made probably a year ago. Williams was paid out to the max, fed and taken to nice places from time to time - by police, my auntie, the closest direct member of my family - is best friends with roberta williams, mick gatto took my uncles fuckn tip and quarry some 10 years + back, theres a fuck load of water under the bridge... I hope i'm not any part of the next chapters of this media conspiracy.
 
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I wonder how much Roberta got paid for her speil and private family footage on ACA..

Like MR Ibis said it is like ch 9 new that this was going to happen and the were ready to roll with all the footage and the "special show".

I think if the Jason moran had the balls to cap Carl right between the eyes back at that park in 99? he would have saved everyone a lot of trouble...

Everyone is going what about Carls daughter what about all those young kids at the footy clinc that got to witness there father & friend getting slayed in front of them in that van and getting sprayed with blood ?
 
Apparently he was bashed with the metal stem from an exercise bike seat. I call shenanigans! Like that fat fuck had any use for an exercise bike. ;)


Already I've heard calls that it was faked so he could enter witness protection. =D
 
to the teeth, man hes dead - tupac was dead, blah he faked his death they reckon... fuck no... But was worth more money to the industry dead than alive. too many ideas. 3 albums released after his death of unreleased music?

I hate gangster rap.. but media conspiracies in relation to crime - profiting off crime - is whack. No one else is allowed to profit from REAL crime.. except the fucking media.
 
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