Chaos Butterfly
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Well I can think of MANY movies that would be improved by a bit of giant glowing blue wang 
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film: WATCHMEN
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Dtergent
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The film didn't drag for me at all. I loved it... although it will take me awhile to see it again. They made it look so good, and with excellent storytelling!! Looked much much better than the comic book :D I liked the music too, except for some awkward placements. Rorschach is awesome. Another Logan-type!
Some things that didn't quite sit well:
The sex scenes were so awkward. Sometimes it seemed like an amateur vid. Maybe they didn't get good enough scenes and just put all the shots in that were so-so. I think if they stepped back a bit it would have been much better.
Silk II also had to play the girl who retorts "You can't do that!!". I think that the way they portray women superheroes sometimes is really lame. They are really gorgeous, but they'll put on suits and a high pony-tail say "let's kick butt" or something weak like that while doing a high kick.
In all, I really enjoyed it. Rorschach is awesome!
Some things that didn't quite sit well:
The sex scenes were so awkward. Sometimes it seemed like an amateur vid. Maybe they didn't get good enough scenes and just put all the shots in that were so-so. I think if they stepped back a bit it would have been much better.
Silk II also had to play the girl who retorts "You can't do that!!". I think that the way they portray women superheroes sometimes is really lame. They are really gorgeous, but they'll put on suits and a high pony-tail say "let's kick butt" or something weak like that while doing a high kick.
In all, I really enjoyed it. Rorschach is awesome!
Raz
Bluelighter
Well I can think of MANY movies that would be improved by a bit of giant glowing blue wang
Raz heartily agrees.
i'm glad i didn't read the comic book before i saw this. it's a well-done stand alone film. there were no mega movie stars to distract from the character performances either. the Philip Glass cues from Koyaanisqatsi were a complete surprise and sounded terrific.
vurtomatic
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Read the comic, but was never fanatical or pored over it. Went into the movie with low expectations to be honest, because I didn't like the trailer: All that stylised slo-mo shit coupled with the soundtrack reminded me of a music video.
The movie was both a success and a failure which might be a bit of a cop-out.
As a film based on a comic book, it's the most cerebral and provoking one I've seen. As a superhero-action film with all the fancy CG, it was a beautiful rendition: There was some crazy realism and details to the scenes, I can't imagine a better comic adaptation. And yet the colours, the way it was shot, there's a feeling of voyeurism, almost like you're indeed looking through a lens.
And I think this is where the film failed. The sense of distance and detachment from everything happening on screen. Moore created an alternate history that he brought to life with minutiae. The act of reading makes the reader complicit in Moore's sleight of hand: From the get go we accept that superheroes exist in this world, we accept that it's a world not unlike ours, slightly askew; our minds take what Moore provide and completes the loop.
But as a cinemagoer buying tickets in a line, walking through the doors up the darkened aisles into the seat and sitting back as these images come to life on a screen, I think there's always a fine line where you accept the movie as complete fiction in which case you throw yourself into the suspension, or you accept that the movie is 'true,' it's been based on fact, history, or real events brought to life; you always have a solid grounding of what feels right.' You don't get the chance to complete any loops in a cinematic experience, you're pretty much a passive consumer of light and sound taken on a ride.
And Watchmen the film doesn't (could not) create that door for you to step through into its world, it feels like you're looking into the world of Watchmen through a pinhole with its vignette and the slight discoloration, so you always know something's not quite right. And I think that creates a huge barrier for some people who watch it.
So I think it failed, but that is more a failure that is intrinsic in the medium and the story it attempted to adapt. And this being an unadapatble story, I can't imagine the movie as much of a failure at all. Just try imagining a Sandman adaptation.
As a superhero movie, I don't think the typical cinemagoer is ready for it. I imagine the movie being viewed as a character-driven, dialogue-heavy movie, in which case there are heaps of other drama shit out there that's a lot more emotive and hinged in a 'real' world that I can empathise with. If I went into the movie expecting a superhero movie, I'd think it's a boring ass film.
But I think if I tried to ignore everything about Watchmen the comic and superhero movies and the emo drama shit already out there, and tried to watch Watchmen as a surreal film peopled by very human superheroes trying to keep their fucked up lives together while the world falls apart around them, and the film as a discourse on the ethical stuff about power, well I think it's one heck of a film.
Which was what Watchmen the comic did: It wasn't a superhero comic neither was it some romantic drama, it took the tools of the trade, super people in spandex, and pit them against the topic of the times. Which is what the best fiction does: Using the fantastical or make-believe as settings to explore the human condition.
Sorry that seems a bit long when I look back at the post. Like I said I went in with low expectations and came out thinking WTF, and have been thinking on this cinematic experience since.
BTW did anyone notice Apple's 1984 ad on Ozy's screen when he was looking at Rosch and Night Owl trekking across the Antarctic? Thought that was a cool Easter Egg, can't remember if it was in the comic.
The movie was both a success and a failure which might be a bit of a cop-out.
As a film based on a comic book, it's the most cerebral and provoking one I've seen. As a superhero-action film with all the fancy CG, it was a beautiful rendition: There was some crazy realism and details to the scenes, I can't imagine a better comic adaptation. And yet the colours, the way it was shot, there's a feeling of voyeurism, almost like you're indeed looking through a lens.
And I think this is where the film failed. The sense of distance and detachment from everything happening on screen. Moore created an alternate history that he brought to life with minutiae. The act of reading makes the reader complicit in Moore's sleight of hand: From the get go we accept that superheroes exist in this world, we accept that it's a world not unlike ours, slightly askew; our minds take what Moore provide and completes the loop.
But as a cinemagoer buying tickets in a line, walking through the doors up the darkened aisles into the seat and sitting back as these images come to life on a screen, I think there's always a fine line where you accept the movie as complete fiction in which case you throw yourself into the suspension, or you accept that the movie is 'true,' it's been based on fact, history, or real events brought to life; you always have a solid grounding of what feels right.' You don't get the chance to complete any loops in a cinematic experience, you're pretty much a passive consumer of light and sound taken on a ride.
And Watchmen the film doesn't (could not) create that door for you to step through into its world, it feels like you're looking into the world of Watchmen through a pinhole with its vignette and the slight discoloration, so you always know something's not quite right. And I think that creates a huge barrier for some people who watch it.
So I think it failed, but that is more a failure that is intrinsic in the medium and the story it attempted to adapt. And this being an unadapatble story, I can't imagine the movie as much of a failure at all. Just try imagining a Sandman adaptation.
As a superhero movie, I don't think the typical cinemagoer is ready for it. I imagine the movie being viewed as a character-driven, dialogue-heavy movie, in which case there are heaps of other drama shit out there that's a lot more emotive and hinged in a 'real' world that I can empathise with. If I went into the movie expecting a superhero movie, I'd think it's a boring ass film.
But I think if I tried to ignore everything about Watchmen the comic and superhero movies and the emo drama shit already out there, and tried to watch Watchmen as a surreal film peopled by very human superheroes trying to keep their fucked up lives together while the world falls apart around them, and the film as a discourse on the ethical stuff about power, well I think it's one heck of a film.
Which was what Watchmen the comic did: It wasn't a superhero comic neither was it some romantic drama, it took the tools of the trade, super people in spandex, and pit them against the topic of the times. Which is what the best fiction does: Using the fantastical or make-believe as settings to explore the human condition.
Sorry that seems a bit long when I look back at the post. Like I said I went in with low expectations and came out thinking WTF, and have been thinking on this cinematic experience since.
BTW did anyone notice Apple's 1984 ad on Ozy's screen when he was looking at Rosch and Night Owl trekking across the Antarctic? Thought that was a cool Easter Egg, can't remember if it was in the comic.
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saw this a couple of nights ago in a suitably receptive frame of mind. i'm not very familiar with the source material.
i'm really glad i saw it on the big screen - it's a visually huge movie in places. i thought the opening credit scene was incredible - very atmospheric. my roommate didn't enjoy it at all but he was trying to analyse every turn and plot point as it happened. i'm more able to enjoy movies in a more holistic manner and i find that sitting back and just letting the thing wash over me allowed me to enjoy the entire vision.
the apple ad was a nice cameo
alasdair
i'm really glad i saw it on the big screen - it's a visually huge movie in places. i thought the opening credit scene was incredible - very atmospheric. my roommate didn't enjoy it at all but he was trying to analyse every turn and plot point as it happened. i'm more able to enjoy movies in a more holistic manner and i find that sitting back and just letting the thing wash over me allowed me to enjoy the entire vision.
the apple ad was a nice cameo
alasdair
tambourine-man
Bluelight Crew
When you say "not very familiar", had you read any of the comics beforehand?
I'm keen to see this but had honestly never heard of the comics before the film was mentioned. It'd be nice to know what it's like to go into the film with completely no expectations or preconceptions.
I'm keen to see this but had honestly never heard of the comics before the film was mentioned. It'd be nice to know what it's like to go into the film with completely no expectations or preconceptions.
i had not read the book(s) but i have heard friends discuss the material and have absorbed some understanding of the characters by osmosis from the media generally.
alasdair
alasdair
Chaos Butterfly
Bluelight Crew
I knew nothing about the film, except that it was quite long.
Other than that, had no expectations of preconceptions.
Still really enjoyed it
tambourine-man
Bluelight Crew
Also known as the fanboy cocktease approach to maximising your earnings from a limited pool of fans. Pretty shameless.
Having said that, I think think this film will probably do well on DVD and outstrip any cartoon in earnings going forward. They have a solid fan base. I think it'll gather popularity over the coming years.
Raz
Bluelighter
^^^re: the director's cut....I did think there was a whole chunk that had been removed from the final confrontation scene; there is the thing between Ozy and Dr M, and then this weird cut to Ozy and Laurie? (trying to point out the scene without giving away spoilers) At the time I remember wondering if that was done specifically to have something cool for the director's cut....
Vurt, I think your review regarding the inability to immerse yourself in their world the way you can with a comic was spot-on and very well written. I thought the same thing myself...
Vurt, I think your review regarding the inability to immerse yourself in their world the way you can with a comic was spot-on and very well written. I thought the same thing myself...
who_can_say
Bluelighter
Lame. Ass. Movie.
3 hours of lameness.
OK, so I was expecting something along the lines of X-Men, hence my disappointment.
But still.
LAME.
3 hours of lameness.
OK, so I was expecting something along the lines of X-Men, hence my disappointment.
But still.
LAME.
lostNfound
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wow, is all i can say.
finally saw this last night ans was highly impressed.
having not read the comic before i had no biased opinion.
absolutely nothing i didnt like in this movie.
finally saw this last night ans was highly impressed.
having not read the comic before i had no biased opinion.
absolutely nothing i didnt like in this movie.