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film: the passion of the christ

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First off, I have not yet seen the movie...

however, correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't part of the point of the movie to be accurate in the depiction of Christ's suffering? So, doesn't that mean that graphic violence is to be expected?
 
indeed. i have not yet seen the movie (it's only on at one theatre in my town and it's sold out all the time).

i've had trouble getting somebody to discuss how closely the events of the movie depict the events as described in the bible.

alasdair
 
^^
WAY more graphic. It's tantamount to Tarantino making a movie about the genesis with as much blood as Kill Bill or Scorsese doing the exodus ala Goodfellas... only more disturbing.

You will get plenty of people who say it's an accurate account of the last hours of Jesus... cause apparently these people were alive to see Jesus crucified. Pay no attention to these people. These are just the hypocritical religious fruitcakes who think this movie is going to save souls.

Don't even get me started on Mel's liberties with the devil, the appostles, mary I, mary II, and jews...

But the BEST part... the absolute most amazingly accurate thing that Mel put into the movie... Jesus being WAY ahead of his time in the field of furniture. Apparently, it was his idea to build the tables and chairs that we use today. Forget the parables and teachings, if it weren't for him, we'd still be sitting cross-legged on the ground to eat off of knee-high tables. Yeah, that part was in the bible... right around the part where he invents the Lay-Z-Boy.

Adios,
Steve
 
horrifiyingly graffic..which i loved.. especially since it served a purposed.

Romans were made to look alot better that i propose they actually were, which did make the jews look twice as bad, that's my only complaint.

But beautiful directing, beautiful acting, i loved this movie. I just wish that all the anti-abortion and anti-homosexual protestors get something out of it and learn not to condemn people.

This movie did portray an image of Jesus i adored, with a way of life i love. To love people.. plain and simle.
 
Of course the movie is more graphic than the book, you can mince words to make things sound nicer - but you can't change the way things LOOK when you have to watch them.

You can say: "And they did whip, beat and torture him" and hearing that is not going to be anything similar to watching ACTUAL whippings, beatings and torture. It's just the nature of the medium that a single word that indicates something horrifying translates into seconds or even minutes of horrible visuals.

--- G.
 
Well, I saw this on Friday night, and I have mixed feelings about it. I'll try to make my quasi-review as concises as possible.

The violence:
You know, I actually expected worse than what I saw. That said, the violence is extraordinary; the infamous flogging scene seems interminable, and it likes to make you think that it's over, just before I moves on to a more horrible phase. During the Crucifixion scene, every hammer blow seemed palpable. Needless to say, I winced during this film. A lot.

What I liked:
The settings and visuals are great, though I have to admit that slow-mo was used a little too often. Still, I think there are many images of real cinematic power here. I'm not religious, but I have a more than a passing familiarity with the story; I must admit that I was often deeply moved. Particularly effective were the flashbacks that highlighted Jesus the man rather than Jesus the Messiah, and the scenes highlighting the love of Mary for her son.

I also liked the use of language, and think that the decision to use Aramaic and Latin was a stroke of brilliance. However, subtitles definitely help. As an aside, the Latin pronunciation comes out sounding more like that of Italian than classical Latin, but one can only expect so much when reconstructing a dead language that no one today has ever heard spoken in a conversational context by native speakers.

What I didn't like:
I felt strangely disconnected from the action during this movie, between the times I was absorbed in it. Maybe it was because I wasn't religious, but I think it was at least as much because the story feels much too truncated. There is almost zero exposition. The movie assumes you know everything about the traditional Passion story upon entry. Many people do, but many do not, and I think this film does them a disservice.

Personally, I think the film would have been better if it had at least included the Last Supper, which would have allowed for more exposition and more suspense, IMO.

Also, though some of the flashbacks were moving and effective, there were others that I felt added little real substance to the film, and that seemed almost like propagandistic sound bites. I often felt manipulated by the film, which I'm sure was Mel Gibson's intent; nonetheless, I would have liked the film to present itself more naturally to the viewer rather than force itself upon him/her.

About the anti-Semitism:
I have mixed feelings about this as well. I did not see the film as explicitly anti-Semitic. Then again, I'm not Jewish, and I don't know how a Jew would feel watching this film. I also concede that the portrait of the Jews is wholly unflattering, and occasionally borders on bestial; I don't think I've ever seen a more fanatically vicious group of Pharisees depicted, to say nothing of the bloodthirsty mob or the soldiers that arrest Jesus. I didn't really notice the supposed Jewish stereotypical phenotype that some people have mentioned (dark hair, big-nosed, etc.), but as I said before, I'm not Jewish.

So, to basically echo what other critics have said, even though I don't see the film as explicitly anti-Semitic, people who are already anti-Semitic or who have slightly negative views of Jews already may have their views strengthened by this film.

Overall Conclusion:
This is a masterfully-done, but also unrepentantly didactic film. I recommend it for its artistic qualities and to just judge for yourself, but one must always be aware of the agenda behind the film that I think devalues what could have been a truly great work. If you want to see a truly stellar movie about the *life* as opposed to just the death of Jesus, go for The Last Temptation of Christ, which a superior and more moving film with but a fraction of the blood, IMO.

On a scale of 1 to 5, with five being the highest, I'd give it a 3 1/2.
 
everyone writes all this stuff about the movie when the only thing that needs to be said is...WOW
 
i thought the movie was brutal and I followed every part of it, and now am in question of alot of things.
 
I found the movie to be moving, and true to the Gospels. All the people claiming Pilate wasn't portrayed right have to blame The Bible, not Mel Gibson, he did it the way it was written. Period.
 
"If you want to see a truly stellar movie about the *life* as opposed to just the death of Jesus, go for The Last Temptation of Christ, which a superior and more moving film with but a fraction of the blood, IMO. "

A very good call man..Great movie by a great director...I remember churches blasting that movie, for the scenes in which Christ was tempted by homosexuality and the like...LOL People so set in their "unshakable" beliefs cannot help but amuse me...
 
The Last Temptation as amazing as well. but Passion was better, more artistic and more brutal and real. Even though I find this story to be fantasy.
 
it is as it was.




i get a feeling alot of you have never read the gospels. some of it was over the top, like the flashbacks and the man who was meant to symbolize satan and evil, but it is as it states in the books.

pilate was made out just as the gospel makes him out, same with the jewish high priests and the blood thirsty mob. nevermind what the catholic church says concerning vatican II, the jews were largely responsible for the death of jesus.
 
(which is fake)


to each there own. i'd like to keep the discussion on the movies and away from a religious debate. those always turn out ugly.
 
Lingo~ i want to clarify my comment about the film being needlessly gory. this wasnt to say that gore was not required to illustrate the brutality of crucifixion, but it was so over done to the point where i felt numb and desensitized after the film.

i really admire a lot of things about this film however. i thought lucifer's character was very well done. i enjoyed the score imensely. above all i thought the scenes featuring christ's teachings were outstanding both in their content and the way they were worked into the "plot". lmao @ the table building scene btw
 
teknohero said:
nevermind what the catholic church says concerning vatican II, the jews were largely responsible for the death of jesus.

Lol, glad you were there to know. Essentially, your opinion can be re-phrased "Nevermind history, Nevermind the opinion of the church" but I know who was responsible for Jesus--the Jews. lol.

Yes, the church's opinion once was that the Jews were responsible. Of course the church once insisted that the earth was the center of the universe.
 
didn't know opinions were so frowned upon here. this must be a commie web board. mel is part of a catholic sect that doesn't follow what happened at vatican II, some of which i agree with myself.

its my opinion and as i stated, i'm keeping away from religious arguments, they always get nasty.
 
When you use religion as base for justification of personal beliefs, no matter how absurd, opinions and debates are futile and essentially go nowhere. This thread (like many threads) has turned from its original intent. This is a free speech board so naturally you'll get every opinion out there, no matter how crazy.
 
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