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film: the passion of the christ

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wow, jesus had quite an ego....
and i thought the whole movie was irrelevant... i mean he came back to life? who cares if he got beaten up 8(
 
I couldn't be bothered rewriting why I found this movie boring as fuck so I'll just copy my post from Aus. Social...
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Yeah I watched this on Saturday and wasn't overly impressed. I would prefer to watch this over, say two hours of an ant having its legs pulled off and then being burnt with a magnifying glass. But only because human beings bleed red meaning it's slightly more visually stimulating to watch a man get beat up for two hours rather than an ant.

I would have preferred this movie a lot more if it was trying to make some sort of statement about mans inhumanity to man, but the whole caring about Jesus Christ over the millions of other humans who have been tortured to death over the centuries angle just doesn't cut it with me.

Maybe Mel should have made a movie about the spanish inquisition instead. Much worse torture and done in the name of JC, not to him.
 
I would have preferred this movie a lot more if it was trying to make some sort of statement about mans inhumanity to man, but the whole caring about Jesus Christ over the millions of other humans who have been tortured to death over the centuries angle just doesn't cut it with me.

If all The crucifixion was nothing more than another man being tortured - then I agree, it would have little/no significance. The significance lies in the belief that this man was infact God incarnate and free of sin - his death and resurrection then becomes a gift... a ransom paid out of compassion for an undeserving mankind and the greatest single event in history, save creation itself.
 
I was baptized and then confirmed a Roman Catholic, and I just don't buy it.

I just don't.

Jesus was a man with faults just like the rest of us. If you don't believe that, then his crucifixion wasn't--in fact--the noble example that the editors of the early scriptures would have us believe.
 
Jesus was a man with faults just like the rest of us. If you don't believe that, then his crucifixion wasn't--in fact--the noble example that the editors of the early scriptures would have us believe.

The operative word being "believe".

It's faith either way, no?
 
I fail to see the point of your question. I don't refer to that which is greater than I, or that which I cannot explain as magic.

The argument in its simplist form really comes down to optimism or pessimism. there is no way to prove that God exists, nor is it possible to prove that he does not. That being a truth, you are left with 2 distinctly different and opposite leaps of faith, and faith is religion whether you like it or not. The difference is that at the end of the day one of these "religions" puts you in a whole lot better place than the other. It would only seem common sense to put your chips somewhere they actually have a chance of winning.

To restate my original point and put the thread back on course, you would be correct in saying that this film is about the suffering of one man if the story ended with his death on the cross. However, we know that Mel Gibson believes Jesus to be the Messiah and that in the film he was resurrected, so clearly the film is not simply about the suffering of an ordinary man.
 
I still think "Last Temptation" is a better movie, exactly because it dealt with Jesus's (supposed) human faults, but I still think "The Passion" belongs on the shelf with it. It's a pretty good movie, IMO.
 
I'm going to give you my two part answer:

I'm just playin'.

But this ain't The Lounge, so I can understand your dismay.

Yes his act was inspirational, and had I lived during his time and heard his words I would have followed him.

But since this is 2004, about 1600ish years since a certain Roman emperor co-opted the saviour's message for political gain, I just don't buy into what the cult of his personality became.

I know too many self righteous bigots, that rationalize their spoon-fed hate behind the words of a few editors of another man's word.

I don't need to believe that Jesus rose on the third day to realize that his sacrifice was total.

Jesus gave up his life for his beliefs.

How does that not mean something when his beliefs were so true, so pure, so heartfelt?

In my opinion, only sheep need an otherworldly incentive to do good and be good in this life.
 
I won't keep dragging this out I promise, but I do feel that your comments are worthy of another detailed reply.

But since this is 2004, about 1600ish years since a certain Roman emperor co-opted the saviour's message for political gain, I just don't buy into what the cult of his personality became.

I know too many self righteous bigots, that rationalize their spoon-fed hate behind the words of a few editors of another man's word.

2004, 3056, 4055... the principal themes of Jesus' life, death and resurrection have and will remain the same. I don't claim to follow the teachings of the Catholic (or any other) church to the tee, nor do all Christians. Churches and their bylaws are creations of man and so by definition are inherently flawed. The protestant movement helped make available to the common man the original scriptures, and in modern day many ancillary texts have been discovered that support the authenticity and originality of these scriptures (dead sea scrolls). I believe that the person of Jesus Christ as well as his divinity was preserved quite well in the scriptures, although clearly, corrupt men have attempted to hide, bend and pervert these texts in order to meet their own ends.

I know many of these self righteous bigots you speak of as well. They leave me feeling outraged and have caused me to question what I believe over the years as well. As difficult as it is I make a conscious effort to remind myself that my faith does not and cannot rely on Christ's followers, or the man made institutions that bear his name, but rather on Jesus' own person. I believe it IS possible to cut through all the needless fringe that is this man made religious dogma and find truth directly within the scriptures.

In my opinion, only sheep need an otherworldly incentive to do good and be good in this life.

Being good in life for the sake of being good and not in anticipation of some heavenly scooby snack when it is all over is an admirable ambition but consider this: Jesus states in the gospels that he was in fact the son of God, and that he and the Father are one. He performed miraculous feats as signs of his divinity (amongst other reasons). He stated that we will not enter the kingdom of God through good works alone. He also states that he is the way, the truth and the light and that no man may enter the kingdom but through him.

There are now really only three possibilities in regards to the person of Jesus Christ:

1. He was a liar... a cult leader looking to recruit followers through deceit and trickery.

2. He was emotionally deranged and suffered deeply from delusions of grandeur.

3. He was/is in fact a deity and died to pay the price of mankind's sins, offering us life that is not bound by death.


If Jesus were anything other than #3 I really couldn't be too bothered about him. There are plenty of other great philosophers both alive and dead who can teach you how to be a nice person.

Without getting to deeply into apologetics here I will simply say that I believe that there is a strong body of evidence that argues Jesus IS in fact God incarnate. If you're interested in reading these arguments you can look into the writings of C.S. Lewis (a man who set out to finally disprove the existence of God and found himself coming face to face with him), Ravi Zacharias, or Josh MacDowell. Even if you still walk away with your old beliefs you will at least know the arguments for Christ being the Messiah.

Anyway, that is it for my little soapbox sermon ;) Now we take you back to your regularly scheduled programing.

SG
 
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I usually make an effort to watch any film, but this one I am choosing to skip. Mel Gibson has not impressed me with his answers to questions about his father's attitude towards the ww2 holocaust. Maybe one day I'll watch it if his attititude changes.
 
I don't remember crying so hard when watching a movie

When they we're whipping his back, legs, hands and chest, my muscles kept flexing with every stroke they layed. Half way through it i just screamed out "stop it".

I got up to the bit where they got him to the top of the hill and i just had to stop it there. I haven't brought myself to watch the ending. I can't do it. It pains me too much.
 
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What amazes me about this film is the amount of violence in it.



This may have already been said, if so I truly do apologize, BUT the fact of the matter is that the sacrifice of Christ was a truly violent and horrific act. It's biblical. (now I understand that you do not believe the bible, but the movie was based on the bible...SO.......what did you think it would be, just a 5 second scene with Christ hung on the cross?)

Why would anyone make a movie about this part of history without making it exactly what it was...Granted, it was a very tragic and terrible movie to watch as far as emotions and gore are concerned...but that's what happened.

The only problem that I have with this movie is that they did not show the resurrection enough. The fact of the matter is that biblically speaking christ was slain in pretty much the exact manner as this movie portrayed...BUT, this event was beautiful because Jesus was resurrected back into heaven and his death signifies a cleanses of christians sins. I think the movie just leaves you feeling horrible about how the jews brutally murdered him and the audience isn't shown that this was (although hard to see) a beautiful thing that God did for us. That's the significance, and the movie didn't show this at all. I think 5 more minutes less gore and beating, and 5 more minutes of showing the resurrection better and the movie would have been 10 times more effective and powerful. I was waiting the whole movie for something I really never saw.
 
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