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The passion of the christ
Review on the Mel Gibson movie, "Passion of Christ"
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Review on the Mel Gibson movie, "Passion of Christ"
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film: the passion of the christ
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killarava2day
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And for info regarding Gibsons anti-semetic background and comments... check this article, http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/01/1078117361595.html
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
DJDannyUhOh said:
Except there is fuck all in the way of material regarding his life, it's his death that everybody obsesses over... Although, it would be a good idea, they could show the bit where he goes to India and studies under Hinduism.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
after reading your posts in CE&P i regret speaking to you
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Also, this whole Barabas vs Jesus thing- I have done some research (albeit not exhaustive) and I can not find any historical evidence of what the gospels claim was a traditional prisoner release.
Apparently, the only reference to this "tradition" was in the new testament (which, as many ppl have already pointed out is not internally consistent-one of the more rediculous parts of the movie was when jesus dies and says his last words and then in Friday the 13th fashion-pops his head back up and says other last words and then dies and says his final final last words). At first, I could not figure out what the hell gibson was doing and then I was told the gospels did not agree on what jesus' last words were.
The bottom line is that jews are often over sensitive to these type of movies because they were used as rallying calls in the past. Plus the line which went something like "the blame for jesus' death is on us and all our children" was said in the movie by the Jewish high priest and in true "I do not have the courage of my convictions" fashion, the subtitles disappear so most americans dont know its in the movie.
Also, who wants even money that in already anti-semetic europe the subtitles are put back in?
Apparently, the only reference to this "tradition" was in the new testament (which, as many ppl have already pointed out is not internally consistent-one of the more rediculous parts of the movie was when jesus dies and says his last words and then in Friday the 13th fashion-pops his head back up and says other last words and then dies and says his final final last words). At first, I could not figure out what the hell gibson was doing and then I was told the gospels did not agree on what jesus' last words were.
The bottom line is that jews are often over sensitive to these type of movies because they were used as rallying calls in the past. Plus the line which went something like "the blame for jesus' death is on us and all our children" was said in the movie by the Jewish high priest and in true "I do not have the courage of my convictions" fashion, the subtitles disappear so most americans dont know its in the movie.
Also, who wants even money that in already anti-semetic europe the subtitles are put back in?
The bottom line is that jews are often over sensitive to these type of movies because they were used as rallying calls in the past.
Plus the line which goes something like "the blame for jesus' death is on us and all our children" was said in the movie by the Jewish high priest and in true "I do not have the courage of my convictions" fashion, the subtitles disappear so most americans dont know its in the movie.
who wants even money that in already anti-semetic europe the subtitles are put back in?
Anyway, I admit I am sensitive about the topic and not always rational. Cant help it.
Plus the line which goes something like "the blame for jesus' death is on us and all our children" was said in the movie by the Jewish high priest and in true "I do not have the courage of my convictions" fashion, the subtitles disappear so most americans dont know its in the movie.
who wants even money that in already anti-semetic europe the subtitles are put back in?
Anyway, I admit I am sensitive about the topic and not always rational. Cant help it.
Morrison's Lament
Bluelighter
Oh, please, "anti-semetic Europe" - this really gets on my FUCKING NERVES.
There is a HUGE racism problem here. People are attacked and beaten and firebombed regularly. There are scores of deaths every year. A TINY percentage of these attacks focus on Jews while about 90% target blacks and Arabs/Turks and much of the rest target homosexuals.
Yes, we have a racism problem. Yes, something must be done. But to frame it as some kind of Jewish issue is a disgusting affront to the vast majority of people being persecuted in Europe today - because it ignores their plight as if "anti-semetism" was somehow immeasurably worse than all that shit happening to them - even though it is actually MUCH LESS common.
--- G.
There is a HUGE racism problem here. People are attacked and beaten and firebombed regularly. There are scores of deaths every year. A TINY percentage of these attacks focus on Jews while about 90% target blacks and Arabs/Turks and much of the rest target homosexuals.
Yes, we have a racism problem. Yes, something must be done. But to frame it as some kind of Jewish issue is a disgusting affront to the vast majority of people being persecuted in Europe today - because it ignores their plight as if "anti-semetism" was somehow immeasurably worse than all that shit happening to them - even though it is actually MUCH LESS common.
--- G.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
ML why would you want to downplay the degree to which any ethnic minority (of which you're not a part i assume) is descriminated against? thats like black americans telling asians that they dont have it that bad.
stu i feel ya man i just never could understand that logic as a result for anti semitism but then again hatred doesnt have to really follow rules i suppose.
stu i feel ya man i just never could understand that logic as a result for anti semitism but then again hatred doesnt have to really follow rules i suppose.
Morrison's Lament
Bluelighter
I am not saying that at all, if you read my post I am saying that one should NOT downplay anyone's plight by singling out other groups and holding a big conference on how bad they have it. It would be like if the hot issue in America today was "Anti-Indianism" and how to prevent it - while blacks were happily being lynched all over the place and no one mentions it.
No one should be persecuted for being who they are, and I just blew up last night because it seems most Americans have no idea of what kind of racial landscape and ethnic tensions we have here in Europe. It's a severe problem that deserves to be tackled - but looking exclusively at some phenomenon called "anti-semetism" is a joke when it would obviously be covered quite nicely by any initiative against RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE. That is the enemy here, the Neo-Nazi scum that walk our streets - it hasn othing to do with being Jewish or Black or Gay or Asian. It's about being considered an outsider and victamized for it.
Like I said, "anti-Indianism" and "anti-blackism", etc., are not helpful terms. Neither is "anti-semetism". It's called racism and bigotry and it needs to be tackled from the root, focusing on and cutting off one branch will help no one in the long run.
We need to fell the TREE.
--- G.
No one should be persecuted for being who they are, and I just blew up last night because it seems most Americans have no idea of what kind of racial landscape and ethnic tensions we have here in Europe. It's a severe problem that deserves to be tackled - but looking exclusively at some phenomenon called "anti-semetism" is a joke when it would obviously be covered quite nicely by any initiative against RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE. That is the enemy here, the Neo-Nazi scum that walk our streets - it hasn othing to do with being Jewish or Black or Gay or Asian. It's about being considered an outsider and victamized for it.
Like I said, "anti-Indianism" and "anti-blackism", etc., are not helpful terms. Neither is "anti-semetism". It's called racism and bigotry and it needs to be tackled from the root, focusing on and cutting off one branch will help no one in the long run.
We need to fell the TREE.
--- G.
SlayerFairy
Bluelighter
This film was done very nicely, in my opinion of course. It really touched me and it was also a big slap in the face. I knew Jesus suffered and died for our sins but never really knew to the extent. I mean this is something I hear of and was taught as a child but until I saw the passion, I felt the love. I felt an unconditional love that God and his son have for us. I'm so going to church now.
Monster_ZERO
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I guess your weekly attendence after that first time back is up to you. 
Holy cow, where do I start...
That was not unconditional love between god and his son. It was a fanatical devotion to a vaguely tangible concept. In those days it was a man going to the end praying for those murdering him being called a profit. In these days it's men flying airplanes into buildings to kill thousands of people being called zealots and terrorists... not that I support people that fly airplanes into buildings, I just think sacrificing yourself takes as much faith and conviction as sacrificing thousands of people.
but back to the point...
I thought the movie was well done, for what it was. It grabs the viewer by the throat with two hours of inhuman blood, gore and suffering. If nothing else, Mel's use of slo-mo and CGI could lead to a lucrative career directing hip-hop music videos. I just don't see how two hours of a man being whipped in slow motion is supposed to be required viewing for all good christians. Under any other circumstances, the violence potrayed in the movie would be completely inexcusable for any good christian household yet I personally have to argue with dozens of angry parents every day because I kicked their twelve-year old kids out of the movie. Here's a little sample:
ANGRY PARENT:
"What do you mean my child can't see the jesus movie by himself? Are you telling me my child can't learn about JESUS and become a better christian!?!"
ME:
"No ma'am. I am simply saying the movie is rated R for a reason. The MPAA doesn't think your child shouldn't see a mans ribs being ripped open until the age of 17."
Mel used the incredibly graphic images of a man's flesh being ripped open with barbaric torture methods as SHOCK VALUE, the same thing the conservative religious right says makes Howard Stern obscene.
I've heard people leaving the movie say that it's about time someone made such a stirring, powerful film about someone with undeniable faith and conviction. These people didn't seem to notice movies like Ghandi or X or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington or Schindler's List.
Instead of spending valuble time developing the character or the story, it's a character and a story that pretty much everyone knows. Wish I could make a movie with the luxury of built-in sympathy.
So to recap, I think it was a very well done movie for what it was, which wasn't really much.
Guess I'm going to hell.
Adios,
Steve
SlayerFairy said:
That was not unconditional love between god and his son. It was a fanatical devotion to a vaguely tangible concept. In those days it was a man going to the end praying for those murdering him being called a profit. In these days it's men flying airplanes into buildings to kill thousands of people being called zealots and terrorists... not that I support people that fly airplanes into buildings, I just think sacrificing yourself takes as much faith and conviction as sacrificing thousands of people.
but back to the point...
I thought the movie was well done, for what it was. It grabs the viewer by the throat with two hours of inhuman blood, gore and suffering. If nothing else, Mel's use of slo-mo and CGI could lead to a lucrative career directing hip-hop music videos. I just don't see how two hours of a man being whipped in slow motion is supposed to be required viewing for all good christians. Under any other circumstances, the violence potrayed in the movie would be completely inexcusable for any good christian household yet I personally have to argue with dozens of angry parents every day because I kicked their twelve-year old kids out of the movie. Here's a little sample:
ANGRY PARENT:
"What do you mean my child can't see the jesus movie by himself? Are you telling me my child can't learn about JESUS and become a better christian!?!"
ME:
"No ma'am. I am simply saying the movie is rated R for a reason. The MPAA doesn't think your child shouldn't see a mans ribs being ripped open until the age of 17."
Mel used the incredibly graphic images of a man's flesh being ripped open with barbaric torture methods as SHOCK VALUE, the same thing the conservative religious right says makes Howard Stern obscene.
I've heard people leaving the movie say that it's about time someone made such a stirring, powerful film about someone with undeniable faith and conviction. These people didn't seem to notice movies like Ghandi or X or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington or Schindler's List.
Instead of spending valuble time developing the character or the story, it's a character and a story that pretty much everyone knows. Wish I could make a movie with the luxury of built-in sympathy.
So to recap, I think it was a very well done movie for what it was, which wasn't really much.
Guess I'm going to hell.
Adios,
Steve
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cravNbeets
Bluelighter
i will touch on this more when i sober up, but that was the most disgusting film i've ever seen. i've never seen anything so needlessly gory in all my life.
also, for the record, i can see why some jewish people feel that the film depicts jews as mindless murderers. i was particularly displeased with the casting for the jewish pharasies, all of whom retained the classic / stereotypical jewish nose (almost to the point of caricature).
there were some good points which i will bring up later but for now i'll just say i was disgusted and im going to the bar.
also, for the record, i can see why some jewish people feel that the film depicts jews as mindless murderers. i was particularly displeased with the casting for the jewish pharasies, all of whom retained the classic / stereotypical jewish nose (almost to the point of caricature).
there were some good points which i will bring up later but for now i'll just say i was disgusted and im going to the bar.
cravNbeets said:
But it wasn't NEEDLESSLY gory. It was shock value, plain and simple. It's like John Doe said in Seven
"you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."
It's brilliant really... Jesus is a character that millions of people have regarded for so many hundreds of years with unparalleled love. To a christian, watching him be eviscerated in such a graphic way is tantamount to seeing their own mother, kitten, little boy (or any other patheticly innocent proper noun) enduring such a beating.
In some ways, I have a huge amount of respect for Mel for having the balls to make such a movie. On the other hand, he didn't really do anything special, he just made a violent movie.
Adios,
Steve
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
^^^ spot on, it seems.
Belisarius
Bluelighter
This post seems to have run its course in CEP...to F&T it goes.
Pounding_Grooves
Bluelighter
my god , i saw it, i thought it was awful, how crap like this can get passed as a "r" is beyond me. darren aronofsky was right, the mpaa is stuck in the 50's, its ok to show as much violence as u want, but when a film shows the SLIGHTEST bit of sexuality its an NC-17 , yes i know it was violent, but so was kill bill, but at least kill bill was a decent movie, it was a homage to all 70's samurai movies, this movie was crap from start to finish, it doesnt hold a candle to say " last temptation of christ"