film: Kill Bill

[*=Regulator=*]

so is it just Tarantino's lack of acknowledgment for his influences that piss you off?

 

[Pander Bear]

FunkyA,

If a band covers a song they write under the title of the song on the sleeve of the album the author of the lyrics\composer of the music... and so your analagy isn't relatable to my comments about plagairism.

If a band makes a song with incredible similiraties to another and then DOESN'T give the originial author\composer their due credit, then THAT would be relatable.

But as it stands, no that is not what I am saying.

MMM, well there is a little difference there. When a band covers a song, they don't give credit to the original writer and artist becuase they think it's the right thing to do, they do it to cover their asses legally. I think that when you cover "All along the Watchtower" or " No Quarter", only the fans with the most limited knowledge of rock music are going to think that you did that song all on your own. I would argue that same line of thinking over Kill Bill. Anybody who doesn't recognise the influences, and the homages to blaxploitation, spagetti Westerns, anime, and kung fu, both stylistic and thematic, is just ignorant of the history of cinema. The only difference between the cases is that in theater, there is no legalmandate that you give credit for bits and pieces of plots, themes, and characters.

Now, with City on Fire, and the collage of films that pulp fiction was inspired by, there is an adde level of interest. Tarrentino wrote RD and PF as screenplays for low circulation, art house, types of productions. The people who frequent those places, people who read , write, and talk about real film, get the references, thought the public at large do not. Tarentino is called "talented by film professors, and a genius by those who thought BATMAN 3 was better than batman 1. All I'm seeing in some of these posts is outrage that less informed people are getting away with putting a film maker on a pedestal he doesn't deserve, am I right?

 

[whited19]

i didn't like this movie at all...it's the WORST film he's made...yes, the fight scenes were cool, but everything else just dragged on, and now u have 2 wait god knows how long b4 u find out what happens...

 

[lostpunk5545]

But calling the Matrix "original" is, I think, as disrespectful to the writers who created the concepts as you think Tarantino has been to other movie makers. You need to combine ideas from about two books to get the Matrix.

Yeah there was also a movie called Dark City that came out a little while before the matrix (I'm not going to say that the idea was stolen or anything - they could have been in production at the same time) which had basically the same underlying plot. It is impossible not to draw parallels between this movie and the matrix.

If you have the time check this movie out, I personally enjoyed it a lot more than the matrix.

Kill Bill was an awesome movie, the only thing I disliked was the censorship (the black and white part). I was very unhappy about having my I.D. checked twice before I even got into the cinema only for someone else to still dictate what I can and can't see.

* Edit - read all the posts and someone mentioned Dark City earlier on, oh well. *

 

[karmacoma]

Kill Bill is the best comedy movie of the year. Here's looking forward to more witty dialogue and knockabout slapstick in Pt.2!

 

[FunkyAlfonzo]

FunkyA,

If a band covers a song they write under the title of the song on the sleeve of the album the author of the lyrics\composer of the music... and so your analagy isn't relatable to my comments about plagairism.

If a band makes a song with incredible similiraties to another and then DOESN'T give the originial author\composer their due credit, then THAT would be relatable.

But as it stands, no that is not what I am saying.

I guess this is a similar response to the one already given, but the amount of people who think that pop-covers are originals is just not funny. I HATE that people think that the songs are original, especially when I love the originals, but that doesn't stop me from liking the cover if it has been well written.

The analogy holds because the majority of people who hear a song on the radio will not seek out the sleeve notes to discover whether the artist wrote the song just like a lot of Tarantino fans will not watch the originals of the genres he produces within. This doesn't stop the people who do from appreciating exactly what they have done with that material and deciding whether it has been an improvement, an interesting take on it, or a debasement. All of which, I remind you, are opinions.

 

[alasdairm]

Tarantino is highly over-rated, but both informed and less informed people.

perhaps they don't over-rate him. perhaps you under-rate him?

this moving origin surely just reinforces the idea that 'right and wrong', 'good and bad' have fluid (if any) meaning when discussing art?

alasdair

 

[.dR spgeddi]

i saw it tonight.
first time in the cinema in two years.
i generally hate movies..
but there's so much to love 'bout this one.
it took brains to enjoy it... but theyre not essential.
rated R in aus and no titties (good stuff).
excellent action, fast paced, witty dialogue...
the anime bit was cliche for me, but then i'm such a critical fucker when it comes to art.
i hope there is no sequel... i seen enough to know what's gunna happen if there is.
i think thats half the point with the length of the flik as is... it coulda gone on but we got the gist of what would happen next anyway.
i'm not gunna fall into the rate mr t shit. it doesnt matter, its how much you enjoyed a movie, i'm not part of the voting academy!

 

[cravNbeets]

my god you people can really go on and on about , well,..... not so much :D

i really enjoyed a lot of things about the film. it was very visually stimulating and had me lmao on several occasions. it also has totall piqued my curiousity and im dying to see the conclusion. but to those who are touting this as some landmark accomplishment i would ask, "what was so unbelievable?"

i know the plot is leading towards what will be undoubtedly an amazing climax but what really happened in the first movie?? two sword fights and some background info thats what happened. i was really pretty disturbed with the disparity in the amount of time devoted to the 2nd person killing vs the 1st

the dialouge in the first scene made me want to kill myself as it sounded incredibly forced and clunky.

a couple of questions:

1. Doesnt anyone else think that QT's tendancy to "borrow" from other films is perfectly natrual given his background? (ie video store geek)

2. Is there any chance that female death squad in Kill Bill is an extention of the "fox force five" from Pulp Fiction?

in any event i enjoyed the movie and i cant wait for the next installment

 

[AmorRoark]

^^^ I thought the same thing about the Fox Force Five.

 

[AmorRoark]

**SPOILER FOR THE SECOND FILM**








In response to cb: The appearance of Samuel L. Jackson in the second film also makes me question weither or not the Fox Force Five could be mentioned again in this movie.

 

[h@ndo]

Can anyone point me in the direction of info on the 2nd instalment

pleeeeeezzze

 

[djwhirlpool]

i can't believe people are so desensitized to blood baths and violence that they found this movie funny.

i liked the movie and think the plot is interesting and the movie held my attention, but i don't find killing and blood squirting all over the place funny.

i thought the movie was pretty disturbing.

 

[lostpunk5545]

^ I found all the blood the best part about the movie... Most movies have been so tame lately. I guess it all comes down to being able to seperate movie violence from real violence.

I read a funny thing in the newspaper yesterday... The director of Freddy and Jason was bragging about how he used 350L of blood in the movie. In an interview with Tarantino he says that he used 500L + just for that one scene in kill bill...

 

[djwhirlpool]

i can separate the violence, but i still think it's gross.

i guess i have never been one of those people who thought disgusting stuff was cool.

 

[*=Regulator=*]

I think Fox Force Five is pretty obviously totally unconnected to DiVAs.

I really cannot see any possible connection between the two - Fox force five was a T.V. Show pilot - i.e. it was fictitious, it did not exist! DiVAs actually exist in the movie world.

I don't think the worlds of Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction are one and the same....

 

[PlurredChemistry]

I've been avoiding this thread beacuse of the last one...but

I think Fox Force Five is pretty obviously totally unconnected to DiVAs.

Also, FFF is all women. DiVAs has a dude in it.

 

[AmorRoark]

the blood was meant to be overthetop... it was supposed to resemble an anime style battle scene... I thought the blood was one of the ways this movie stood out.

 

[djwhirlpool]

the blood was meant to be overthetop... it was supposed to resemble an anime style battle scene... I thought the blood was one of the ways this movie stood out.

that makes sense, but i was still extremely grossed out and apolled by all the people laughing in the movie theater.

 

[cravNbeets]

I think Fox Force Five is pretty obviously totally unconnected to DiVAs.

I really cannot see any possible connection between the two - Fox force five was a T.V. Show pilot - i.e. it was fictitious, it did not exist! DiVAs actually exist in the movie world.

I don't think the worlds of Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction are one and the same....

i think you were taking what i said a bit too literally. i was kind of thinking of DiVAs (btw if thats what they're called in kill bill, im repulsed) as a fleshed out version of the FFF concept from pulp fiction. Anyone who has seen both movies knows they're not intended to be the same thing. It was just something that occurred to me... easy on the !!!s pal

btw whirly i suppose looney toons appall you too. you know with all that reckless violence