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Film: Brokeback Mountain
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ButrosButros_Grantos
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Hmm, well I sae this movie recently and the main problem I had with it was that it seemed to go for too long, see I was expecting a kind of happy unsure ending the first fade out, a that's kind of dissapointing ending the second fadeout then a oh, that's the way it had to end, but why did it take so damn long.
Heath was good, Jake was better.
Essentially when looking at this as a love story it's very much a one sided kind of love and an unspoken torment. The one that admits it isn't true to it and the one that doesn't is forever haunted by it.
4/5
Heath was good, Jake was better.
Essentially when looking at this as a love story it's very much a one sided kind of love and an unspoken torment. The one that admits it isn't true to it and the one that doesn't is forever haunted by it.
4/5
brixtonlad
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I love this film we all cryed how mad is that x
Chaos Butterfly
Bluelight Crew
I finally got to go and see this last night and was completely blown away. I don't cry at any movie, but I was at this one.
I think the pacing of the film was perfect. The visual imagery was stunning, and the development of the relationship went along at a very real sort of pace.
I definitively do not see this as a one sided love story. There is unspeakable amounts of love coming from both sides, Heath Ledger's character, Ennis Del Mar, is completely in love with Jake Gyllenhall's character, Jack Twist, but he is too much of the country man to allow them to live together and embrace their love. He is too afraid of being beaten with a tire iron. Two men could NOT live together in that day and time in the country, or pretty much anywhere in America, but especially the country.
Ledger's character doesn't show much emotion until it is completely drawn out of him, as happens a couple of times in the film, which is precisely the way that that character should have been portrayed. I think it was an absolutely spectacular job that he did in this film.
Even though I knew what was going to happen, having read the book, it was just shattering. This is one of the best films that I have seen in a while, I haven't seen Capote or Munich or Good Night and Good Luck yet, but will soon.
5 stars here...
CB
I think the pacing of the film was perfect. The visual imagery was stunning, and the development of the relationship went along at a very real sort of pace.
I definitively do not see this as a one sided love story. There is unspeakable amounts of love coming from both sides, Heath Ledger's character, Ennis Del Mar, is completely in love with Jake Gyllenhall's character, Jack Twist, but he is too much of the country man to allow them to live together and embrace their love. He is too afraid of being beaten with a tire iron. Two men could NOT live together in that day and time in the country, or pretty much anywhere in America, but especially the country.
Ledger's character doesn't show much emotion until it is completely drawn out of him, as happens a couple of times in the film, which is precisely the way that that character should have been portrayed. I think it was an absolutely spectacular job that he did in this film.
Even though I knew what was going to happen, having read the book, it was just shattering. This is one of the best films that I have seen in a while, I haven't seen Capote or Munich or Good Night and Good Luck yet, but will soon.
5 stars here...
CB
Ghettotastic_bong
Bluelighter
3/5 stars. A well acted movie with a wonderful sense of cinematography, with a few nagging flaws that prevent it from being a classic.
The main level that this movie fails on is it never explains what the lovers see in eachother which they're attracted to. The concept of homosexuality is presented as an entirely antagonistic element to the charcters lives, and more effort should have been taken in the scripting to establish the nature of the relationship between the two title charcters. While it's noble to see hollywood tackle a gay romance film, the film has very little in the way of romance in it. Just charcters, who are gay because the script says so, not because they find some eternal bond in eachother.
I also felt the plot twist in the last 20 minutes of the film was ludicrous, to pull at the heart strings and perhaps push a poltical agenda about homosexuality in general. It's abrupt introduction and explination makes you wonder why the screenwriters have chosen to build the plot in this fashion.
The main level that this movie fails on is it never explains what the lovers see in eachother which they're attracted to. The concept of homosexuality is presented as an entirely antagonistic element to the charcters lives, and more effort should have been taken in the scripting to establish the nature of the relationship between the two title charcters. While it's noble to see hollywood tackle a gay romance film, the film has very little in the way of romance in it. Just charcters, who are gay because the script says so, not because they find some eternal bond in eachother.
I also felt the plot twist in the last 20 minutes of the film was ludicrous, to pull at the heart strings and perhaps push a poltical agenda about homosexuality in general. It's abrupt introduction and explination makes you wonder why the screenwriters have chosen to build the plot in this fashion.
Chaos Butterfly
Bluelight Crew
Because that was exactly how the book was written.
CB.
I really enjoyed the film, and implore more people to justify their opinions, rather than just saying 'it sux0r'd'...
Essentially, it was a criticism of the time and place in which the two leads lived. People were small minded, ingnorant, simple. You were expected to be a certain type of person, and to stray from the line was often not acceptable, especially to stray in a homosexual direction.
Heath Ledger was the stoic, repressed, most tormented of the two leads. He was far more in denial than Jake's character, far more troubled by the prospect of being gay, and the implication that would hold for his future, were people to discover it.
Jake Gyllenhall was the bouncy, expressive, more open of the two. He certainly wasn't comfortable with being gay, but he was far more open to it that Heath, far more willing to consider a future for the two of them that went beyond biannual fishing trips.
The story was totally tragic, by portraying the decline in the two lives and the detremental effects their denial had on others through time, Ang Lee has really demonstrated how destructive a force denial can be. But more than that, it is strongly suggested that their only way forward in such a world was to act heterosexual, start a family, do what's expected of them. Therefore we totally sympathise with both characters, because we understand they really didn't have a choice...The story of the gay couple who were severely punished for trying to live together sums this feeling up perfectly.
Some people found the sexual acts too carnal, i think it needs to be understood that both characters were experiencing something they hardly understood, they found their situation to be ineffable and very confusing. They are rough with each other mainly because they are both fighting their urges, themselves, and each other and because they are very uncertain and unfamilar with the territory.
My only major critism, is as someone above identified, i think the relationship could have been fleshed out fruther, we never truely understand what they love about each other so much. I didn't think it was totally undeveloped, but as this is a tragic love story, it could have used some more telling dialogue.
Anyway...I should take a part-time course in film studies maybe
I myself totally empathized with the characters, as i am i bisexual, who for a number of justifyable reasons decided to deny his sexuality. I suffered enormously in the long run, with countless psychological problems resulting from this decision. Sometimes cultural, psychological, and situational factors combine to result in denial of sexuality. i totally relate, GREAT FILM!
PS...i think some of the people who criticise it are being just as homophobic, small minded and ignorant as the type of people the film essentially exists to criticise! PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!
Essentially, it was a criticism of the time and place in which the two leads lived. People were small minded, ingnorant, simple. You were expected to be a certain type of person, and to stray from the line was often not acceptable, especially to stray in a homosexual direction.
Heath Ledger was the stoic, repressed, most tormented of the two leads. He was far more in denial than Jake's character, far more troubled by the prospect of being gay, and the implication that would hold for his future, were people to discover it.
Jake Gyllenhall was the bouncy, expressive, more open of the two. He certainly wasn't comfortable with being gay, but he was far more open to it that Heath, far more willing to consider a future for the two of them that went beyond biannual fishing trips.
The story was totally tragic, by portraying the decline in the two lives and the detremental effects their denial had on others through time, Ang Lee has really demonstrated how destructive a force denial can be. But more than that, it is strongly suggested that their only way forward in such a world was to act heterosexual, start a family, do what's expected of them. Therefore we totally sympathise with both characters, because we understand they really didn't have a choice...The story of the gay couple who were severely punished for trying to live together sums this feeling up perfectly.
Some people found the sexual acts too carnal, i think it needs to be understood that both characters were experiencing something they hardly understood, they found their situation to be ineffable and very confusing. They are rough with each other mainly because they are both fighting their urges, themselves, and each other and because they are very uncertain and unfamilar with the territory.
My only major critism, is as someone above identified, i think the relationship could have been fleshed out fruther, we never truely understand what they love about each other so much. I didn't think it was totally undeveloped, but as this is a tragic love story, it could have used some more telling dialogue.
Anyway...I should take a part-time course in film studies maybe
I myself totally empathized with the characters, as i am i bisexual, who for a number of justifyable reasons decided to deny his sexuality. I suffered enormously in the long run, with countless psychological problems resulting from this decision. Sometimes cultural, psychological, and situational factors combine to result in denial of sexuality. i totally relate, GREAT FILM!
PS...i think some of the people who criticise it are being just as homophobic, small minded and ignorant as the type of people the film essentially exists to criticise! PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!
Stunningly beautiful film. Had me to the brink of tears (during the later argument between the boys). Ang Lee has shown how romance can survive and even thrive without fucking comedy.
I can't think of a single thing i didn't like about it.
I can't think of a single thing i didn't like about it.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
some of these more recent posts have convinced me to see this.
MissBehavin'_416
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I can't wait to see it.
tambourine-man
Bluelight Crew
Yeah, mee too.cravNbeets said:
The g/f's been nagging me to go see it... I'll give it a go.
tambourine-man
Bluelight Crew
Just got back from the cinema.
Pretty good stuff. Not oscar-worthy... but damn sight better than most of the crap that gets put on at the multiplex.
Pretty good stuff. Not oscar-worthy... but damn sight better than most of the crap that gets put on at the multiplex.
Belisarius
Bluelighter
Loved it; I saw it as a tragic tale of a whole string of people who are ruined by by Ennis's emotional impotence. Heath Ledger's performance is simply incredible.
<<The main level that this movie fails on is it never explains what the lovers see in eachother which they're attracted to.>>
I disagree. In truth, I don't think most people know--or can't explain--what it is that attracts them to another person, sexually or otherwise. It just *happens*, or it doesn't. Like a lot of the critics have said, this movie just isn't about two gay guys--it could be *any* two people whose love is ruined or neglected by fear.
<<The main level that this movie fails on is it never explains what the lovers see in eachother which they're attracted to.>>
I disagree. In truth, I don't think most people know--or can't explain--what it is that attracts them to another person, sexually or otherwise. It just *happens*, or it doesn't. Like a lot of the critics have said, this movie just isn't about two gay guys--it could be *any* two people whose love is ruined or neglected by fear.
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tambourine-man
Bluelight Crew
On another note, the cinema's choice of musical interlude (prior to the start of the movie) was interesting.
A medly of Madonna songs, followed by Denice William's "let's hear it for the boys", finished with Tom Jones' "you can leave your hat on"...
No bullshit.
A medly of Madonna songs, followed by Denice William's "let's hear it for the boys", finished with Tom Jones' "you can leave your hat on"...
No bullshit.
fengtau
Bluelight Crew
Didn't like the story but the cinematograhphy (sp??) was great! Made me miss my days in the US. Oh yeah....Anna Hattaway is freaking good looking!!!!
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
****spoilers*****
not a fan of brokeback mountain![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
my first complaint of the movie apparently is not an uncommon one: there's no foundation to jack and enis' relationship... they're just all of the sudden madly in love. now, i considered that given the time period, the characters' reserved disposition, and the geographical location, this relationship evloving out of mutual longing and repression actually rings true, but mostly it felt sloppy.
i felt that the main characters were stagnant and undeveloped. both enis and jack started off and ended the film relatively the same (stoic/guarded and vibrant/idealistic). no one really made much progress. this made it difficult to really develop much of a relationship with the main characters. on top of that, the main character who is paid the most attention is nearly devoid of redeeming qualities. seriously we know that enis is tourtured and torment by what he cant have but he totally turns to shit and ruins what he does have. his handling of his family was cowerdly and unadmirable yet you're supposed to come away from the film thinking fondly of him.
someone mentioned the pacing which i found totally akward. this film went on at least 30 minutes too long. having jack and enis' rendez vous sprinkled rather evenly throughout the film just added to the drudgery. also i think the film did a poor job of illustrating elapsed time. i didnt know how much time had passed until a character explicitly said so.
some things i did like....
acting was amazing all around. i was particularly impressed w/ ledger. enis' character seems like a tough one to play. not a whole lot of dialouge but ledger manages to convey his pain, fear, anger etc without saying too much.
as other's said, this film is visually well done. im not so well versed on what makes cinematography 'cutting edge' but i know what looks good and this film was definitely easy on the eyes. of course they were shooting some of the most beautiful landscapes on planet earth so it's kind of a stacked deck
all in all i'd rate this movie i 3. there just wasnt enough there for me. the things that lacked seemed to do so deliberately as opposed to resulting from laziness but frankly thats irrelevent. if a love story in which one of the two lovers dies cant make me even tear up then the discussion is kinda over
o0psy Daisy~ yes i absolutely think that jack's wife knew. i think this was supported by the way she spoke to enis on the phone and also that annoying scene with the other couple (jack's future mistress) at the dance.
also, i didnt think that jack was murdered. i thought that enis was just flashing back to that old man's murder when he heard the news. i could be wrong though, i'd pretty much mailed it in by the end
not a fan of brokeback mountain
my first complaint of the movie apparently is not an uncommon one: there's no foundation to jack and enis' relationship... they're just all of the sudden madly in love. now, i considered that given the time period, the characters' reserved disposition, and the geographical location, this relationship evloving out of mutual longing and repression actually rings true, but mostly it felt sloppy.
i felt that the main characters were stagnant and undeveloped. both enis and jack started off and ended the film relatively the same (stoic/guarded and vibrant/idealistic). no one really made much progress. this made it difficult to really develop much of a relationship with the main characters. on top of that, the main character who is paid the most attention is nearly devoid of redeeming qualities. seriously we know that enis is tourtured and torment by what he cant have but he totally turns to shit and ruins what he does have. his handling of his family was cowerdly and unadmirable yet you're supposed to come away from the film thinking fondly of him.
someone mentioned the pacing which i found totally akward. this film went on at least 30 minutes too long. having jack and enis' rendez vous sprinkled rather evenly throughout the film just added to the drudgery. also i think the film did a poor job of illustrating elapsed time. i didnt know how much time had passed until a character explicitly said so.
some things i did like....
acting was amazing all around. i was particularly impressed w/ ledger. enis' character seems like a tough one to play. not a whole lot of dialouge but ledger manages to convey his pain, fear, anger etc without saying too much.
as other's said, this film is visually well done. im not so well versed on what makes cinematography 'cutting edge' but i know what looks good and this film was definitely easy on the eyes. of course they were shooting some of the most beautiful landscapes on planet earth so it's kind of a stacked deck
all in all i'd rate this movie i 3. there just wasnt enough there for me. the things that lacked seemed to do so deliberately as opposed to resulting from laziness but frankly thats irrelevent. if a love story in which one of the two lovers dies cant make me even tear up then the discussion is kinda over
o0psy Daisy~ yes i absolutely think that jack's wife knew. i think this was supported by the way she spoke to enis on the phone and also that annoying scene with the other couple (jack's future mistress
) at the dance.also, i didnt think that jack was murdered. i thought that enis was just flashing back to that old man's murder when he heard the news. i could be wrong though, i'd pretty much mailed it in by the end
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mariacallas
Bluelight Crew
^^^ lol I have a suspicion I would feel exactly the same way when and if I do see this film. (probably not until it shows up on CABLE!)
Karaboudjan
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Hmm I'm not a fan of this movie. I admit that it is sad in places, like when the guy gets attacked and killed and some of the more tense arguments, but I feel like it's got so much critical acclaim solely because it is a movie about gay cowboys. They had so much potential with this film in my opinion but they wasted it by making it rather dull, at least in my opinion.
smotpoker
Bluelighter
Hollywood is pretty much anti-Bush, and I honestly see movies like Capote and this only being nominated as Oscar nominees because it's an attempt to get conservitives to change their opinion about gay people.
Ex: Bush prides himself on being a "cowboy". Many of his followers are the same. Showing them you can be a rough and tough cowboy, and be gay, is their way of attempting this.
And I thought both Capote and Brokeback were booooring. I almost left Capote early, but thought to myself "this is a so called Oscar movie, it could get better".
I was wrong.
Ex: Bush prides himself on being a "cowboy". Many of his followers are the same. Showing them you can be a rough and tough cowboy, and be gay, is their way of attempting this.
And I thought both Capote and Brokeback were booooring. I almost left Capote early, but thought to myself "this is a so called Oscar movie, it could get better".
I was wrong.
cravNbeets
Bluelighter
stick to what you know
hmmm anti-bush hollywood is trying to cajole conservative america into a more accepting world-view via poorly adapted plot deficient films.... you've cracked the code smotpoker congrats!
smotpoker said:
hmmm anti-bush hollywood is trying to cajole conservative america into a more accepting world-view via poorly adapted plot deficient films.... you've cracked the code smotpoker congrats!