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Fentanyl is garbage, and it ruined heroin.

endlessnameless said:
Aplologies if this has been asked or mentioned already, but for those of you over there in Canada & the US where this Fentanyl epidemic has hit, does Fentanyl-laced Heroin have that same knockout effect if you're smoking it?
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The fentanyl that's arrived in the Western US is mostly in the form of "blues," pressed tablets with an average strength (according to the helpful DEA) of 1.8mg per pill, and most urban addicts "smoke" them on foil. AFAIK, most of the fatal ODs in my area have been in the suburbs among a younger population that's more likely to swallow the pills.

Though it's certainly possible to die from chasing fentanyl, it's the safest way to consume the drug... And it might even be an HR improvement over the heroin situation that existed before fentanyl arrived, since most addicts still injected (despite more people smoking in recent years) and the "black tar" form of heroin we have here is very bad for causing soft-tissue infections and endocarditis.

Since I've had the opportunity to sample these pills, smoked and also injected (micron-filtered, for the love of God), I've come to the conclusion that the fentanyl high isn't quite as bad as it's made out to be, though still inferior to good heroin. I mean, only 15 years ago, it was was one of the most desired opiates on the market; if you were smoking fentanyl (gel from the patch), you were living the goddamn dream!

Yes, the fentanyl high is somewhat more sedating and "colder" than heroin; and undoubtedly, the legs are inferior. These aspects make it pretty well suited to the role it has been playing in my city -- the opiate counterpoint to methamphetamine stimulation. Almost everyone is using crystal meth to some degree right now (or so it seems), and fentanyl's hard-hitting rush kind of makes sense to temporarily obliterate the comedown.... And furthermore, we all know that tweakers love obsessive repetition, and the experience of smoking pill after pill - my dealer sells #40 a day to one customer! - is probably kind of gratifying, mirroring the experiencing of smoking meth.

Last but not least, the price has come down a lot even in the last 6 months, and now smoking a pill (which equals roughly 0.15g of 45% pure heroin) is much cheaper than heroin if you smoke it and almost comparable even if you inject it, not to mention lower in absolute dollar amounts than the minimum heroin unit.... And this factor will always drive demand among the people who are trying to scrape together enough for the next dose, regardless of how good the euphoria is or is not.
 
Coolkids said:
Honestly morphine to me was always trash we used to mix the real heroin with it instead of using water it was that much of bs to us. Guy had cancer with an IV connected to a button he would press that would give him 30mg at a time at the end of the month he’d have mad extra amd sell it all to me in liquid OZs ..the good old days. :(
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Diff people diff likes.
 
nznity said:
Diff people diff likes.
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Na definitely agree. To me liquid morphine gives me horrible pins and needles feeling from my arm to my head for about 30 sec lasts about an hr and a half and yes this was pure morphine.
 
Coolkids said:
Na definitely agree. To me liquid morphine gives me horrible pins and needles feeling from my arm to my head for about 30 sec lasts about an hr and a half and yes this was pure morphine.
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Ofc not everybody is gonna like morphine, just like not everybody likes meth or coke. But to me it's the best drug I've ever tried.
 
Fire&Water said:
Closest to OD'ing ive ever experienced were from vaping the 100 mcg duragesic gel patches
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Same here actually.. Was my first time, probably only 2-3 reports total online at this point, I was definitely stepping into uncharted waters. Sat for 3-4 hours literally fighting to stay awake cuz my breathing was so labored I felt if i passed out it would be the end of me. Strangely I did use it after with times where I did nod out but this first time seemed so strong on the breathing that it scared me bad.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Same here actually.. Was my first time, probably only 2-3 reports total online at this point, I was definitely stepping into uncharted waters. Sat for 3-4 hours literally fighting to stay awake cuz my breathing was so labored I felt if i passed out it would be the end of me. Strangely I did use it after with times where I did nod out but this first time seemed so strong on the breathing that it scared me bad.

-GC
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Yes it was scary and I dont scare easily
after an unconsious state that was way beyond any nod imaginable
the whole left side of my body went numb
my mind and will were the only thing that kept me from falling flat on my face not being able to put one foot in front of the other again

Edit: I actually did fall flat on my face now that I think about it ...
will is a strong mf'er

That was it for fent'
 
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nznity said:
bro i've shot up like 5000 times at least, never had an infection even when i missed shots. Shooting up pure opioids is a total different game. Also cocaine did more damage to my veins in 3 months than 5 years of shooting morphine ever did.
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No shit. I've shot up quite a few of those pharmaceutical morphine ampoules and they're made for intravenous, subcutaneous or intramuscular use... So they're made not to cause any issue even if you "miss" as a miss is just a subcutaneous injection, which is totally fine with the pharmaceutical ampoules.

They do sting subcutaneously, though. That's how I was using them primarily before I got into injecting heroin intravenously. All my subcutaneous injections of pure pharmaceutical morphine stung a little. Nothing bad. Never got issues because I'm super sterile and it was of course sterile ampoules.
Even pharmaceutical pure diacetylmorphine has a pH that is a little acidic. Just Google heroin acidity studies and it will come up with a study about the acidity of all types of heroin.

I should have done the morphine intravenously to get the most of it, but at the time I was not gonna do IV.
 
It's been a long damn while since I've logged in Lol. But I agree 1000% fent ruined the H scene here in the northeast.

I cop in Scranton PA and it's been mostly fent the last 5 years......about 2017 was the last year it was mostly dope. I'm on 8-12mg of sub daily but I take a dope vacation every once and while. Sometimes I go too hard and end up with crazy wd's like last time I took a 2 week break.

When it was real heroin I used to be able to take a 2 week vacation from subs and be fine again once inducting. Now with this fent I can't use more than 3-4 days in a row without going into precipitated wd.

But it has me staying mostly sober these days. I guess that's a plus. But fent fucking blows a whales cock. No legs at all and all nod no euphoria.

Joined BL in 2011 and it's been about 10yrs since my last log in I think
 
watermellon said:
It's been a long damn while since I've logged in Lol. But I agree 1000% fent ruined the H scene here in the northeast.

I cop in Scranton PA and it's been mostly fent the last 5 years......about 2017 was the last year it was mostly dope. I'm on 8-12mg of sub daily but I take a dope vacation every once and while. Sometimes I go too hard and end up with crazy wd's like last time I took a 2 week break.

When it was real heroin I used to be able to take a 2 week vacation from subs and be fine again once inducting. Now with this fent I can't use more than 3-4 days in a row without going into precipitated wd.

But it has me staying mostly sober these days. I guess that's a plus. But fent fucking blows a whales cock. No legs at all and all nod no euphoria.

Joined BL in 2011 and it's been about 10yrs since my last log in I think
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What you just said. 100%
 
From all my years and all the things I've studied I truly believe whats we're seeing was intentional when it comes to H. Heroin was popular, clean and avaible all over the place. But I truly believe the Elites, Demons or whatever you want to call them had an agenda. The 1st was to replace H with Oxy which they did. The part was to get a large number of the population who would never in their life take H tricj themselves into thinking Oxy isnt bad cause a Dr is prescribing it. They were able to manipulate Dr's in order to prescribe to the masses for minor things. Next thing you know a fuk ton of people are doing it. Over time many died which was also part of their plan, you know population control. Big Farm pays a massive fine later for killing hundreds of thousands.

Next is to take away the suuply of Oxy so these new addicts are forced to eventually fall to Fent. Chinaa is a huge supplier as their labs make tons of it. its easy to produce and doesn't take up a lot of space. At this point you now have H users who turned to Oxy but now cant get it. Then you have new Oxy addicts who want to get high but cant. Being our own Gov sells drugs they controlled the supply of H. Now there is little H and Oxy is hard to get. Next part is introduce Fent to those mass's and new ones. Its more dangerous than the previous 2, its cheap and now Fent deaths are rated 1#.
 
I am surprised. One of my buds got tested after using, no fent. Like really surprised. Tannish/light brown dope.

Dude ended up getting popped so that trains gone but I'd figure I'd post it. There's still hope in the northeast Lol.

I've been clean-ish lately but man it makes me fucking fiend.

And also someone mentioned now it's the Mexicans mainly and not the Columbian's anymore. I've been in the game over 10years. It used to all be grey-beige powder and light tan chunks. Now it all seems to be brown-dark brown.

I'd kill for some good black tar right about now. I've had it a few times when a friend would come back from Arkansas. He used to grab off the Mexican D boys. I liked the high of clean tar, more sedation than ecp and longer legs. That would hold you for a solid 18+ hours, 24hr before I really started needing a blast
 
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It's so much easier to create metric tons of Fentanyl than it is to create the same amount of Heroin derived from poppies. And after a while, one thing we all know is that if you are addicted to opiates and Fentanyl is the only thing you can get, you will use the Fentanyl. That's the worst part is that as time goes on, finding heroin will get more and more difficult, and many are and will be moving toward Fentanyl as an "only option", aside from the fact that it is getting harder and harder to NOT find Fentanyl in all manner of other things, including Heroin. Very much related to Cocaine use versus Meth use...the Meth business model rendered Cocaine less relevant and is another drug that is very hard to find unadulterated. This is why Mexican cartels are churning out volumes of Meth and Fentanyl. You don't have to grow anything to make them, you don't have to import it, cutting out several levels of middlemen, and in the end, they are there to make billions of dollars, which they are. The sources of these drugs does not care, and is not here to provide anyone with their drug of choice if they can make far more money selling something else in lieu of it. Not only that, the Mexican cartels are sending lots of Cocaine and Heroin to Europe, where there profit margins are much higher. A Kilo of Cocaine is about twice as expensive in Europe as it is in the US. This is why they are targeting the European markets intensely from what I understand.

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Could not agree more. Perhaps WHO and the governments of the world will reach the conclusion that fentanyl (and its myriad fentalogues, each worse than the last) does more harm than good; that its potential for harm outweighs any and all medicinal/therapeutic value, and effectively eradicate it, or them from the face of the earth, like they’ve done numerous times before. As with quaaludes, for example.

A boycott on the part of the consumers would likely be necessary as well to help eliminate the incentive for clandestinely producing the illicit drug(s). I go without these days if fentadope is the only option. I hate it that much.

I genuinely hope that someday soon ‘dope’ will once again be understood implicitly to mean diacetylmorphine, and not whatever the fuck fully synthetic chemical opioid K.O.
 
morphonorconic said:
A boycott on the part of the consumers would likely be necessary as well to help eliminate the incentive for clandestinely producing the illicit drug(s). I go without these days if fentadope is the only option. I hate it that much.

I genuinely hope that someday soon ‘dope’ will once again be understood implicitly to mean diacetylmorphine
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Yes, If there is no boycott and people just keep buying street dope what is the incentive to grow poppies? Especially when they can just get a little bit of fentanyl and still make the same money and people buy it up.

I wonder if that will ever happen, I honestly can’t believe it has come to this. But it makes logical sense. If a couple of grams of fentanyl is as lucrative as several acres of poppies why would anyone bother anymore?

I really wish we can get a rally to boycott the current street dope. But it would take people refusing to buy the crap. Better to go on methadone or use poppy products.
 
Sadly a boycott will never happen. When you're in severe opiate withdrawal, most people will do anything to make it go away. I can't see a widespread boycott ever happening.
 
docbrown said:
I do enjoy brorphine, listed as a fentanyl analogue but structurally unrelated.
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Brorphine is indeed a fentanyl analog, just a bit of a distant one. It's para-bromo, alpha methyl, benzyl fentanyl, with the n-phenyl and n-propionyl bits fused into a benzimidazole ring. Whether it is legally considered a fentanyl analog probably varies from country to country, but it clearly shares the same core structural motifs.
 
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