"Fentanyl Crisis"

[aceblue543]

To those who complain about fentanyl tainted drugs invading the market, about all those who died from fentanyl tainted drugs:

Please think about where these drugs are coming from. It's easy to bemoan all the deaths of people who were killed from fentanyl-tainted drugs.

It's easy to object to Nike, Apple, etc. products being produced by "slave/underpaid labor". Anyone with any slight attention to the news hears about the Mexican cartel murders of innocent civilians. Tainted drugs aren't being sourced from Africa, Europe, Asia, or fucking Antarctica.

Source your drugs appropriately, please. Addiction is a terrible disease. Drug users deserve the freedom to use any substance they choose: abusers deserve the utmost compassion.

But for every American citizen dying or being hospitalized for a fentanyl-tainted drug, there are an endless number of innocent Mexican people being executed/murdered/subjugated by the cartels and others.

Stop whining, stop complaining. Take responsibility, take a moment to think, to get your drugs responsibly.

Edit: Harm reduction goes both ways. Think about that for a minute.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Maybe I've just misunderstood your post but I'm not really sure what point it is you're trying to make.

Test your shit? Sure that's common sense but in an illegal market it's not like anybody has the luxury of popping down to whole foods for a bag of sustainably produced dope, they take what they can get. Even with things like DNMs you're not really going to know what you're getting until you've got it, let alone where it came from. That a prohibition problem not the end user being at fault.

Edit: Harm reduction goes both ways. Think about that for a minute.

Edit: I thought about it and still have no clue what you're on about.

 

[nativenick]

Lol Wouldn't it be nice though if drug users could organize a boycott. Best thing I can come up with is telling any and everybody new to drugs exactly why fent is garbage and how qualitatively the high proper opioids deliver shit all over fentanyls.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^100% with you on that and have been pitching it since 15' when fent dope became the regular not the exception...... However sick ppl wanna not be sick in the quickest cheapest way possible --- Fent is just more economically sustainable for the cartels. (Really it is just greed heroin was plenty sustainable)

I'm on board --- lets start a movement to boycotte dope until there are fent free options. (sincerely I am in)

In all fairness I don't think people suffered a whole lot less under the cartel producing H? Not that I would really know but I haven't heard anything

 

[Deleted member 290563]

To those who complain about fentanyl tainted drugs invading the market, about all those who died from fentanyl tainted drugs:

Please think about where these drugs are coming from. It's easy to bemoan all the deaths of people who were killed from fentanyl-tainted drugs.

It's easy to object to Nike, Apple, etc. products being produced by "slave/underpaid labor". Anyone with any slight attention to the news hears about the Mexican cartel murders of innocent civilians. Tainted drugs aren't being sourced from Africa, Europe, Asia, or fucking Antarctica.

Source your drugs appropriately, please. Addiction is a terrible disease. Drug users deserve the freedom to use any substance they choose: abusers deserve the utmost compassion.

But for every American citizen dying or being hospitalized for a fentanyl-tainted drug, there are an endless number of innocent Mexican people being executed/murdered/subjugated by the cartels and others.

Stop whining, stop complaining. Take responsibility, take a moment to think, to get your drugs responsibly.

Edit: Harm reduction goes both ways. Think about that for a minute.

The cartel has the market totally cornered. Many drug addicts can’t afford RCs or let alone have an address to ship them to.

This is a stupid post.

Why don’t you go bitch to the government to legalize drugs. Cartel will be out of business overnight. Until that. And ONLY that happens, they will provide the drugs.

The fact that pain management has become illegal in western countries also added even more clients to the cartels clients.

Blaming addicts for the violence the cartel does? The cartel that is paying off the government and the government that is allowing it to be this way because it feeds their for profit prison system and for profit rehab lobbyists?

Go blame the real move makers in this game not addicts buying a fucking $25 bag or a person with chronic pain pulled off their medicine by the government and sent to the cartel for releif.

You have a really juvenile and frankly stupid view about who is to blame in all of this and it isn’t drug users.

 

[Psychlone Jack]

The cartel has the market totally cornered. Many drug addicts can’t afford RCs or let alone have an address to ship them to.

This is a stupid post.

Why don’t you go bitch to the government to legalize drugs. Cartel will be out of business overnight. Until that. And ONLY that happens, they will provide the drugs.

The fact that pain management has become illegal in western countries also added even more clients to the cartels clients.

Blaming addicts for the violence the cartel does? The cartel that is paying off the government and the government that is allowing it to be this way because it feeds their for profit prison system and for profit rehab lobbyists?

Go blame the real move makers in this game not addicts buying a fucking $25 bag or a person with chronic pain pulled off their medicine by the government and sent to the cartel for releif.

You have a really juvenile and frankly stupid view about who is to blame in all of this and it isn’t drug users.

With you 100%, but for the sake of my job title we can't be calling the Greenlighters (or anyone else) stupid. Offends the sensibilities and all that.

(Edit: My meaning being the person themselves, forgot the word was used twice, it's definitely {imo} a not quite... er... sensible view or post)

But for real, the whole Mexican prison/rehab perpetual incarceration and servitude scheme is something that the vast majority of people don't even have a clue about. The cartels haven't just bought off the system down there, they ARE the system.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

With you 100%, but for the sake of my job title we can't be calling the Greenlighters (or anyone else) stupid. Offends the sensibilities and all that.

But for real, the whole Mexican prison/rehab perpetual incarceration and servitude scheme is something that the vast majority of people don't even have a clue about. The cartels haven't just bought off the system down there, they ARE the system.

This green lighter is a troll. I refuse to believe they should be given the benefit of the doubt as actually being that naive (ie stupid)….which if they were, would warrant more respect towards them. But they are trolling so they deserve it.

To say “stop buying drugs because you are funding the murderous cartel by doing so” is like saying “hey human beings, stop fucking because everyone once and a while a deformed/diseased baby comes out that suffers immensely and dies”

“Stop paying taxes because the US is giving Israel money to murder ppl”

“Stop driving a car because you are polluting the atmosphere”

There are some things you have to kill certain ppl to stop them from doing. I’d say drugs and fucking fall into that category.

By very nature of existence m, humans take. Each of our very existence is predicated on damaging someone or something else, using it up and destroying it. OP doesn’t realize this fact of life.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

Lol Wouldn't it be nice though if drug users could organize a boycott. Best thing I can come up with is telling any and everybody new to drugs exactly why fent is garbage and how qualitatively the high proper opioids deliver shit all over fentanyls.

i would say there is basically a boycott happening. Many people have gotten off opioids or not started them because fentanyl/tranq is such a shitty garbage drug. Opioid use is leveling off and deaths decreased last year for the first time since the CDC/DEA flooded America with fentanyl in 2016. Young ppl aren’t getting into it . The illicit sales of opioids by criminal groups don’t look like they have a good earnings outlook or like they will expand their business

The when pharma pills like oxy 30s and dilaudid 8s disappeared I got on subs or methadone and called it a day. Methadone and subs both have a better high than fentanyl/tranq. They don’t cause ulcers all over your body and organs either.

I mean fuck, at least offer pharma pills or real heroin at a very high markup much more expensive than tranq dope….if that top shelf product was available I would be a customer.

So I boycotted the black market due to how shitty they became. I’m sure I’m not the only person. So yes there is a boycott and their sales are hurting compared to what they could be. I don’t know why they don’t see it.

 

[JackARoe]

To say “stop buying drugs because you are funding the murderous cartel by doing so” is like saying “hey human beings, stop fucking because everyone once and a while a deformed/diseased baby comes out that suffers immensely and dies”

LOL one of these days I am going to come out with a book of some of your quotes Lucid. I do get a chuckle (spit up a few times) .

But I will be fair. If I were to condense the original post I would say people only get away with what we allow them to get away with. And it is possible people are letting others get away with too much. So I agree in some aspect. But a better solution is needed. And legalization seems to me the only solution.

 

[tryptakid]

LOL one of these days I am going to come out with a book of some of your quotes Lucid. I do get a chuckle (spit up a few times) .

But I will be fair. If I were to condense the original post I would say people only get away with what we allow them to get away with. And it is possible people are letting others get away with too much. So I agree in some aspect. But a better solution is needed. And legalization seems to me the only solution.

People also need something to do... a means to connect with one another and enjoy recreation. The biggest contributor I see to our street homeless drug use is boredom, despair, and apathy. Why not use when life is at best dull and at worst utter fucking misery?

Why do we think there are so many cannabis dispensaries popping up next to liquor stores and vape shops in all of the legal states. People just numbing away their boredom, despair, and pain. It's a vampiric cycle.

 

[JackARoe]

Why not use when life is at best dull and at worst utter fucking misery?

I remember in the Hamilton Morris PCP episode one of the users talked of the project they lived in and the horrible circumstances. He said something that was very endearing. He said something to this effect: if a mother fucker has to use to get out of the situation for a little bit by using PCP then that is what a mother fucker is going to do.

I totally get it. You can't look at the world and not be depressed. We do have the ability to focus though. A hobby like playing a musical instrument is a great way to focus on something that makes us feel better, connected, less depressed. So it really is up to us how we roll in this super depressing world. Getting back to nature helps restore my connection.

However I never agreed with the 1990's model of addiction. That we need some deep down pain to heal before we can be sober. And although a lot of money was made in the 1990' rehabs, I always thought addiction was simpler. It feels good. The 1990's model also lumped all drugs together except caffeine and nicotine. But while I think there is a psychological component to some addictions, the monkey that pulls the lever for cocaine over food and dies is not dealing with deep seated psychological trauma. He just knows it feels good.

Speaking of 1990's addiction psychology. I got arrested, had mandatory drug counceling. Had a cool guy, he started rehabs all over NJ and was a big part of the recovery programs. Very well known. He use to get on me for still smoking weed. Last time I saw him was at a mutual friends funeral. Our friend OD. So my counselor looks at me at the funeral and says see what can happen? Well I was ok. He however, my drug counselor, OD himself a few months later leaving behind a pregnant wife and a 1 year old child. It was quite unbelievable. But I lived my way since and it works for me. Granted the days I am in no danger,, just use things much smarter.

 

[tryptakid]

I remember in the Hamilton Morris PCP episode one of the users talked of the project they lived in and the horrible circumstances. He said something that was very endearing. He said something to this effect: if a mother fucker has to use to get out of the situation for a little bit by using PCP then that is what a mother fucker is going to do.

Exactly

I totally get it. You can't look at the world and not be depressed. We do have the ability to focus though. A hobby like playing a musical instrument is a great way to focus on something that makes us feel better, connected, less depressed. So it really is up to us how we roll in this super depressing world. Getting back to nature helps restore my connection.

Absolutely agree with you here

However I never agreed with the 1990's model of addiction. That we need some deep down pain to heal before we can be sober. And although a lot of money was made in the 1990' rehabs, I always thought addiction was simpler. It feels good. The 1990's model also lumped all drugs together except caffeine and nicotine. But while I think there is a psychological component to some addictions, the monkey that pulls the lever for cocaine over food and dies is not dealing with deep seated psychological trauma. He just knows it feels good.

The healing comes through the recovery process - there's no one right way to do it. It's about accepting that we have pain and figuring our what we need to do to grow and heal from it. It may require abstinence so that we can reset for a while; it may require therapy, social support, activities - it's about connection with oneself, one's interests, and others who promote the positive in one's life.

Speaking of 1990's addiction psychology. I got arrested, had mandatory drug counceling. Had a cool guy, he started rehabs all over NJ and was a big part of the recovery programs. Very well known. He use to get on me for still smoking weed. Last time I saw him was at a mutual friends funeral. Our friend OD. So my counselor looks at me at the funeral and says see what can happen? Well I was ok. He however, my drug counselor, OD himself a few months later leaving behind a pregnant wife and a 1 year old child. It was quite unbelievable. But I lived my way since and it works for me. Granted the days I am in no danger,, just use things much smarter.

I ran into this stuff so many times - I've lost count of how many people I've known through this work who have died whether they were the person being helped, or the person who got burnt out by doing the helping. Peer support is important but it needs to be supported in earnest as well. So many recovering addicts find their way into a profession that lacks support and exploits their experience while burning through them in the process. It's tough.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

People also need something to do... a means to connect with one another and enjoy recreation. The biggest contributor I see to our street homeless drug use is boredom, despair, and apathy. Why not use when life is at best dull and at worst utter fucking misery?

Why do we think there are so many cannabis dispensaries popping up next to liquor stores and vape shops in all of the legal states. People just numbing away their boredom, despair, and pain. It's a vampiric cycle.

Humans didn’t typically live past 30 for most of history and were concerned with survival (hunting, gathering, migration).

It’s simply unnatural for people to be alive past 30. We didn’t evolve to be living into “middle” and old age.

The suffering dial turns up higher and higher as people get older, albeit at different rates for different people; but what I’m saying is that people typically didn’t have to exist past their “prime”.

Now that we have to exist past these prime years drugs, antidepressants, prescription, legal (ie weed) included, are a way to cope with this unnatural misery we are trapped in. Drugs seem like the perfect response to modern non agrarian lifestyle.

Then the whole working and living in capitalism is extremely unnatural and leads to people suffering as well without consideration for age.

Drugs are obviously widely accepted for these uses (or do we realize this is why we as a society accept drugs?)

 

[Deleted member 290563]

So my counselor looks at me at the funeral and says see what can happen?

the same thing that is gonna happen to each one of us no matter what? Probably in a much more savage and nasty way involving lots of torture and suffering if it’s not an OD.

This whole thing of ppl dying from ODs being a big problem…..to me it’s not. There’s a bunch of selfish people left behind making it about them and their pain missing the deceased. But for the deceased, all their problems are over, they are at peace (the socially acceptable way to phrase what I’m saying), and imo have never been better -

 

[tryptakid]

Humans didn’t typically live past 30 for most of history and were concerned with survival (hunting, gathering, migration).

It’s simply unnatural for people to be alive past 30. We didn’t evolve to be living into “middle” and old age.

The suffering dial turns up higher and higher as people get older, albeit at different rates for different people; but what I’m saying is that people typically didn’t have to exist past their “prime”.

Now that we have to exist past these prime years drugs, antidepressants, prescription, legal (ie weed) included, are a way to cope with this unnatural misery we are trapped in. Drugs seem like the perfect response to modern non agrarian lifestyle.

Then the whole working and living in capitalism is extremely unnatural and leads to people suffering as well without consideration for age.

Drugs are obviously widely accepted for these uses (or do we realize this is why we as a society accept drugs?)

Speak for yourself - i"m 42 and my life gets better and better each year.

 

[jasperkent]

Speak for yourself - i"m 42 and my life gets better and better each year.

I'm about to turn 66 and I've never been happier in my life.

FWIW, I started weaning myself off street drugs a few years ago. I grow my own weed and the only illegal drug I've purchased in the last year is blotter acid. It's excellent, BTW.

 

[aceblue543]

Maybe I've just misunderstood your post but I'm not really sure what point it is you're trying to make.

Test your shit? Sure that's common sense but in an illegal market it's not like anybody has the luxury of popping down to whole foods for a bag of sustainably produced dope, they take what they can get. Even with things like DNMs you're not really going to know what you're getting until you've got it, let alone where it came from. That a prohibition problem not the end user being at fault.

Edit: I thought about it and still have no clue what you're on about.

Fentanyl-tainted street drugs aren't coming from Australian, Antarctician, or Germanic manufacturers.

Buying from companies with well documented worker or human rights abuses is a choice.

People buying street drugs don't have a say in where the drugs come from, or the practices of the manufacturers. They shouldn't have to. But where could most fentanyl-tainted street drugs be coming from? Russia?

The victims of the mexican cartels deserve as much attention as american drug users overdosing because of the asshole cartels. But they don't get it.

Drug users in the U.S. (like drug users anywhere) should be able to buy drugs legally, free from persecution, from reputable vendors who treat their workers and every one else like human beings deserving of all human and civil rights.

I'm an idiot. I'm sorry. I'm not claiming there are even a slight few number of places for drug users to source from. It's pretty much a monopoly. But while they're complaining endlessly about how their drugs are all tainted with fentanyl...maybe they should check their privilege and think about all the victims of the mexican cartel, and how they're choosing to buy drugs that could clearly come from no other source?

 

[foodcrisis]

so this was supposed to be a thread about not buying from cartels?

if that's the case, i guess, but people don't really always have that many options for drugs.

kind of a self righteous thread... i dunno, maybe you can expect fentanyl to be boycott cause of your posting on this board and you'll get some better drugs or something, or you are just trying to shame people out of using, which i guess it's okay, you are free to do that... buying from cartels is bad. i think people probably already know.

like technically, you probably have a job that pays taxes and that supports the war on drugs. it'd probably be better if everyone just lived out of homeless shelters... maybe there'd be so many homeless people nothing could run.. all these people with jobs and what not driving around in cars hurting the ozone layer and people eating meat hurting the ozone layer. just live out of the homeless shelter. lol. decrease your global foot print.. i guess it's not the same as supporting some things the cartels do, but everyone probably has things in their lives that are detrimental to the world as a whole.

maybe this thread will spark someone to say i'm not gonna use drugs from cartels anymore... i'm not gonna say it's a terrible post by the OP...

Blaming addicts for the violence the cartel does? The cartel that is paying off the government and the government that is allowing it to be this way because it feeds their for profit prison system and for profit rehab lobbyists?

has there even been any coke that doesn't come up through south america? are there any other continents that really produce large scale coke operations? i dunno.. cartels kind of seem like they'd do anything to get money.. i know this thread is about fentanyl. i hear that's actually not in certain parts of the world... i'm kind of wondering where all the coke comes from for like europe and if it's in asia or where ever else.

personally if there weren't a fentanyl crisis, i'd just buy cartel coke if it weren't laced. i can be pretty negative and totally look past certain things. the fact that fent is in pressed adderall sometimes and even coke, i just stay away from a lot of different drugs.




i'm kind of being a dick too saying the poster should lower their carbon footprint. i actually get the thread.... just got me thinking about how far coke has traveled out of south america. like if people boycott fent, maybe they'd bring coke back.. i kind of get it... but also on the other end of that, yes, bad stuff the cartels do do. lol..

 

[pixies+]

so this was supposed to be a thread about not buying from cartels?

if that's the case, i guess, but people don't really always have that many options for drugs.

kind of a self righteous thread... i dunno, maybe you can expect fentanyl to be boycott cause of your posting on this board and you'll get some better drugs or something, or you are just trying to shame people out of using, which i guess it's okay, you are free to do that... buying from cartels is bad. i think people probably already know.

like technically, you probably have a job that pays taxes and that supports the war on drugs. it'd probably be better if everyone just lived out of homeless shelters... maybe there'd be so many homeless people nothing could run.. all these people with jobs and what not driving around in cars hurting the ozone layer and people eating meat hurting the ozone layer. just live out of the homeless shelter. lol. decrease your global foot print.. i guess it's not the same as supporting some things the cartels do, but everyone probably has things in their lives that are detrimental to the world as a whole.

maybe this thread will spark someone to say i'm not gonna use drugs from cartels anymore... i'm not gonna say it's a terrible post by the OP...




has there even been any coke that doesn't come up through south america? are there any other continents that really produce large scale coke operations? i dunno.. cartels kind of seem like they'd do anything to get money.. i know this thread is about fentanyl. i hear that's actually not in certain parts of the world... i'm kind of wondering where all the coke comes from for like europe and if it's in asia or where ever else.

personally if there weren't a fentanyl crisis, i'd just buy cartel coke if it weren't laced. i can be pretty negative and totally look past certain things. the fact that fent is in pressed adderall sometimes and even coke, i just stay away from a lot of different drugs.




i'm kind of being a dick too saying the poster should lower their carbon footprint. i actually get the thread.... just got me thinking about how far coke has traveled out of south america. like if people boycott fent, maybe they'd bring coke back.. i kind of get it... but also on the other end of that, yes, bad stuff the cartels do do. lol..

Google the cartel trade routes to Europe. Kinda interesting if you haven’t looked before.

 

[pixies+]

6 tonnes of coke is shipped to Rotterdam.
26.6 tonnes of cokes goes to Antwerp. Both From Ecuador.

2.9, tonnes go to Antwerp 2.4 tonnes go to Morocco, 8 tonnes go to Rotterdam from Brazil.