Feminism

[UnSquare]

I'ma Gonna Go Watch Tha Assassin - I'needa Nina Simonetime...

Plus maybe he should try an' read that
Pussy-Arsed Bitch Thread...

 

[doofqueen]

but why do we need to change what is natural, and what mostly seems to work?
Females naturally should feel compelled to be caregivers, mothers, etc..

IF IT AIN"T BROKE, DON"T FIX IT

Who says when you are born with a vagina that you will have natural instincts for motherhood? Who says if you are born with a penis you don't? Gender has nothing to do with being a good parent (although yes as you mentioned about the court system women do tend to be the caregivers) but that doesn't mean that they will be the best parent to raise the kids.

I know plenty of women who are just not maternal and plenty of men who are.

I do agree that it's unfair that in child custody cases the women have more of an automatic chance of getting the kids. It should be based on who can provide the best care, that being financial and emotional.

^^ That's the type of thing I was thinking of when I asked in the first post do men feel like it's reverse sexism since the womens movement.

 

[Nihilist]

I'm a female and I think feminism is still, in large, an illusion. Sure, changes have taken place within society, and that can't really be denied. But I think a lot of it comes down to what we envisage things will be like in the future, when these changes and their consequences have had time to span out.

However, people still operate under this illusion of feminism, and personally, I think things have swung too far in this direction. I've experienced way too many women happily abusing the power that they cannot yet handle. And nobody really wants to argue with them. Why? Because no one wants to have the finger pointed at them for being prejudiced. Apparently, women have a more than equal voice now, so everyone's meant to shut up and listen.

Argh, i know this sounds rather demoralising. I'm certainly not saying that a woman's right things like education, the right not to be sexually harassed, and all the 'nice' stuff are bad things. But ffs, too many women, especially the younger generation, seem to be flinging themselves on to the feminist bandwagon without really understanding the true meaning of the movement, and not making an effort to properly educate themselves. To me, a true 'feminist' is someone who is committed to going out into the world and making a difference over the long term. Feminism doesn't simply involve cutting one's hair short, sitting with one's (jeans-enclad legs) wide open, man-bashing with the girls over cocktails, and throwing the mother of all hissy-fits when one doesn't get one's way.

IMHO (an it IS just my opinion), it is still very much a man's world. And thankgod for that, because if and when things change, i hope to hell i'm not around to see it.

 

[motiv311]

Oh man, ^ Bumpity bum-pi-ty! - I couldn't have put it better myself.
I do admit, I was drunk the first time I posted on this thead; but afterwards I felt compelled to back my position up. There is a revolution, and feminism is a joke (not in theory), if anyone listens to Tom Leykis or has heard of him on the radio freeFM, he makes a lot of good points.

Nihilist just further backs up my point, that some things are just naturally suited for men, and others for women. (generally)

 

[doofqueen]

However, people still operate under this illusion of feminism, and personally, I think things have swung too far in this direction. I've experienced way too many women happily abusing the power that they cannot yet handle. And nobody really wants to argue with them. Why? Because no one wants to have the finger pointed at them for being prejudiced. Apparently, women have a more than equal voice now, so everyone's meant to shut up and listen.

I have to agree with you on this one as I think many take on the feminist approach and abuse it. This is also what I talked about in the original post ie do you think it's been taken to far and when it comes to men's rights they feel taken over unfairly etc

 

[preacha]

i've got one term for you to why feminism will never be accepted

bi-curious

 

[doofqueen]

^^ If i think you mean what i think you mean then i'm going to have to kinda agree... good golly gosh... think i'm going mad...

 

[Innocuous]

i've got one term for you to why feminism will never be accepted

bi-curious

I would agree that hetroflexible girls are in part responsible for the common misconception that female homosexuality is 'not serious' or a 'spectator sport for the gratification of male fantasy', sure.

But much as I despise the filthy little sluts, that does seem a bit like blaming McDonalds for global warming.

 

[doofqueen]

yeah true BUT he does have a point (as i said 'kinda')

 

[ValeTudo]

I personally have no time for Feminazi dickheads!

Equality is great, let women choose their path in life, but enough with the bleeding heart communist bullshit "oh how sexist whinge cry whinge no equality bla bla cry"

If women weren't designed to be mothers/caregivers they would not have vaginas and booby with milk. Simple as that.

To deny that as their *primary* goal in life is a travesty of nature, but at the same time that by no means has to be their *only* role in life

 

[Innocuous]

yeah true BUT he does have a point (as i said 'kinda')

Explain 'kinda'.

 

[doofqueen]

Well it's all about the bisexuality debate really. There are those that are bicurious (and thats fine - everyone needs to work out their sexuality at some point) and there are "real" bisexuals who imo are those that not only have a pash with someone at a nightclub but sleep with/have relationships with both genders.

Alot of lesbian women are fearful of dating bisexual women as they might be used as an experiement or will run off to a man eventually (which seems to happen alot and these women who have had their hearts broken that way are the sceptical ones - and rightly so) The pashing someone at a nightclub thing when it's only for men's eyes (ie done to show off) are the ones that give the real bisexuals a bad name. (and feminism really as it's only to be objectified by men) - which is what i'm assuming peachy was talking about but i'm only assuming. Bisexual people are nearly always feeling like they have to justify their sexuality as valid. Same goes with feminists in this same regard.

 

[doofqueen]

I personally have no time for Feminazi dickheads!

Equality is great, let women choose their path in life, but enough with the bleeding heart communist bullshit "oh how sexist whinge cry whinge no equality bla bla cry"

If women weren't designed to be mothers/caregivers they would not have vaginas and booby with milk. Simple as that.

To deny that as their *primary* goal in life is a travesty of nature, but at the same time that by no means has to be their *only* role in life

Look, I'm with you about the "feminazi dickheads" ie radical feminists i'm assuming you mean? That if it aint broke don't fix it yeah? Don't make a big deal over something that isn't there right? If you think that feminism is all about having a whinge and a sook then maybe you should do some reading?

Being a mother may well be a "natural" thing for a women to be but what men naturally being fathers? Is a fathers role not to look after his children? What happens to the women that just are not very maternal? Just because you have a womb doesn't make you a natural mother and all your instincts will kick in. What about the women who can not have children by "natural" ways? Are they just not meant to be mothers? They have vaginas.

Does this mean that women who can not naturally have children and adopt will not make good mothers because nature was against their god given right and role to play in the world?

 

[Innocuous]

The pashing someone at a nightclub thing when it's only for men's eyes (ie done to show off) are the ones that give the real bisexuals a bad name. (and feminism really as it's only to be objectified by men) - which is what i'm assuming peachy was talking about but i'm only assuming.

So your saying that it goes counter to any attempt to gain equality to be objectified, so much so that those persons who actively encourage their own objectification are in fact undermining feminism as a whole?

Even though hetroflexibles give me the shits (because the nasty little sluts are suck teases) I disagree.

One can be simultaneously object and subject. In the case of irritating homotouristas, they might (though they might not) be in an partnership of equality with the boy in question, she may be pashing a girl in exchange for having him pash a boy for instance. I find it demeaning to homosexual and genuinely bi people, but it doesn't make her backward, outdated, or indeed, any kind of threat to the pursuit of equality. She may even be a feminist.

One can actively make oneself attractive to others, indeed willingly be an object, even a sex object and still be a feminist. Guys can find womans bodies appealing, and not be sexist pigs. All the word means is a desire for both men and women to be treated equally and given equal opportunities and rights. It certainly does not mean one must cease to be an object, rather it implies that one must seek to be both subject and object.

In other words no matter how much I hate the bi-curious, they are only guilty of crimes against lesos, not women in general.

PS: ValeTudo so your dick and balls don't make your *primary* goal in life to be a daddy? But my overies make my *primary* goal to by a mamma. Right. Your logic is impeccable.

 

[preacha]

All the word means is a desire for both men and women to be treated equally and given equal opportunities and rights. It certainly does not mean one must cease to be an object, rather it implies that one must seek to be both subject and object.

awesome
that pretty much sums it up
so now that we've got everything clear, can we close this poor excuse of a thread?

 

[motiv311]

men naturally should want to fuck the shit out of most women.

and then keep doing it with other women.

women, should naturally attempt to attract a mate, and hope he sticks around for the youngins.

p.s. isn't it pretty normal for women to subconsiously want to be "raped" or "handled"... I had this one girlfriend .. .oh man... the stuff she made me say and do- i will never forget!

 

[up all night]

p.s. isn't it pretty normal for women to subconsiously want to be "raped" or "handled"

Jesus Christ.

 

[UnSquare]

No Real Motiv'

^
You're a MOD!

Do somethin'!

 

[Innocuous]

men naturally should want to fuck the shit out of most women.

and then keep doing it with other women.

women, should naturally attempt to attract a mate, and hope he sticks around for the youngins.

p.s. isn't it pretty normal for women to subconsiously want to be "raped" or "handled"... I had this one girlfriend .. .oh man... the stuff she made me say and do- i will never forget!

No darling, no its not.

Of the couples I know who are polyamourous, its the girls that are notching up the bed post, not the lads.

And rape fantasies? As I think is pretty well established by now, they are generally the result of associating shame and guilt with a sexual desire. And are followed, not because a girl (or boy) genuinely wants to be fucked without consent, but because by abdicating responsibility onto his/her partner she/he is able to abandon his/her self to the act unfettered by said shame and guilt. Most people with rape fantasies report moving onto more 'normal' sex when such shame and guilt is allived. In other words, no this is not a normal part of female sexuality, it is the result of unresolved psychological issues.

One might say, and many do, that it is the result of a predominant belief that female sexuality is passive (something which must be awoken by the male) and only bad girls like sex. The result in fact, of sexism.

Why don't you just stick with posting pretty pictures of yourself in the *how hot am I thread*? You're much better at that.

 

[doofqueen]

So your saying that it goes counter to any attempt to gain equality to be objectified, so much so that those persons who actively encourage their own objectification are in fact undermining feminism as a whole?

Well yes but no. I have no problem with women who work at strip clubs, do porn, are sex workers and any other profession that the main reason for is to objectify women as long as the women doing it are doing it for personal power and independance and are emotionally OK with what THEY are doing as long as they realise that they work in an industry where the primary reason for what they do is so they can be objectified. I believe that these people can still be in fact Feminists but feminism is not so black and white.

Even though hetroflexibles give me the shits (because the nasty little sluts are suck teases) I disagree.

One can be simultaneously object and subject. In the case of irritating homotouristas, they might (though they might not) be in an partnership of equality with the boy in question, she may be pashing a girl in exchange for having him pash a boy for instance. I find it demeaning to homosexual and genuinely bi people, but it doesn't make her backward, outdated, or indeed, any kind of threat to the pursuit of equality. She may even be a feminist.

and she may be one. What i'm talking about is the people that only kiss the same sex in a public setting to get a REACTION from the opposite sex not out of genuine sexual curiosity. I am very open with my sexuality and am even sometimes quite vulgar in the things i think and say and hey i'm even a self confessed show pony when it comes to lot's of things (i even posted in the show your boobs thread - which goes againts feminism in the objectifying manner) I just think that women who only do things to get mens attention while using their bicurious nature give TRUE bisexual people are bad name.... and yes feminism as a whole.

One can actively make oneself attractive to others, indeed willingly be an object, even a sex object and still be a feminist. Guys can find womans bodies appealing, and not be sexist pigs.

I agree on both counts. I do not think men are pigs when they appreciate a woman's form and how they look. I think MOST people that leave the house give a shit about how they look to the opposite gender (when straight) even though they say the dress to please themselves. there is always a certain level of "impress" (objects etc I spoke of earlier in post)

{quote]All the word means is a desire for both men and women to be treated equally and given equal opportunities and rights. It certainly does not mean one must cease to be an object, rather it implies that one must seek to be both subject and object.[/quote]

yes also agree BUT people shouldn't be sexual objects anyway (but i know this isn't going to stop happening)

In other words no matter how much I hate the bi-curious, they are only guilty of crimes against lesos, not women in general.

point taken and yes also agreed but I did mention that it was a lesbian issue mainly.

PS: ValeTudo so your dick and balls don't make your *primary* goal in life to be a daddy? But my overies make my *primary* goal to by a mamma. Right. Your logic is impeccable.

*nods*