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Mary Poppins
Bluelighter
preacha said:
What's funnier is I have seen that movie! Though I've never seen a starwars!
Funny!
This topic probably warrants a semi-serious answer from me, but as I find talking about feminism somewhat like exercise (I don't want to do it, though secretly enjoy doing it when I do, but I get puffed) - I shall put it off to when I am feeling more energetic.
doofqueen
Bluelighter
preacha said:
As if i would touch you even if you were the last man on earth. Men like you make it easy to be a lesbian.
If i am so "clueless" and such a "moron" why the hell do you waste your time talking to me on here? Wouldn't it be beneath your intelligence to converse with such a moronic person? Fuck it frustrates me to talk to you so i figure you feel the same way about me. What i can't understand also though is how you can't have a discussion with me without resorting to insults. I do my best to be diplomatic even after you act worse than a kindy student having a tantrum and even though you have always been disrespectful to me i have tried to be respectful back (if i agree with you or not) but you obviosuly need this platform because you are apparently "a nice guy" offline which leads me to the conclusion that you have little man syndrome so i will not be replying to anything you say to me anymore and i encourage you not to speak to me anymore either. All we do is piss each other off.
fucking plur
sonicnature
Bluelighter
doofqueen said:
hahahhaha, absolute ripper.. its just fellas with too much time, and too many computers and keyboards DQ.
MR Candyslut
Greenlighter
sonicnature said:
OMG are you being serious? Or just ironic?
If the former, I think that is possibly THE biggest (and perhaps the most offensive) myth that all three waves of feminism have tried to debunk; that women are emotional (read: irrational) as opposed to men who are logical (read:rational).
The reason why (IMO) males occupy a disproportionate number of executive jobs, both in the public and private sector, is because almost all societies are built on the twin ideologies of patriarchy/capitalism. It is this same patriarchal society, by the way, that promulgates the offensive and misguided belief that women are just silly little emotional creatures (better off left in the kitchen, for that matter).
*kisses husband off to work and giggles coquettishly*
To me, this kind of thinking is exactly what creates the subjugation of women ie women are silly therefore should be controlled by men, women should not occupy serious jobs and should mother the children etc cause she is the emotional one.
I would say men are just as fucking stupid as women on so many issues that it is pretty damn difficult to ascertain who is 'more' rational, think Bush Jnr, Snr, Reagan, Mugabe, Castro etc etc etc. It is also extremely problematic to draw such a divide on the basis of gender given that women have only as recently as the 1900's had the opportunity to prove themselves.
Men have been fucking it up for ages, i say it's the ladiezzzzzzzzzz turn
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zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
MR Candyslut said:Men have been fucking it up for ages, i say it's the ladiezzzzzzzzzz turn
Well aint that typical- the men make a mess of things and sit back and crack open a beer whilst the women buzz around cleaning up after them :D
MR Candyslut
Greenlighter
damn straight.
maybe i am a covert chauvinist in the guise of a femo-natzi?
maybe i am a covert chauvinist in the guise of a femo-natzi?
UnSquare
Ex-Bluelighter
Sexual
Crystalmethbunny hadda tattoo
that remindes me of this
typersation.
It was a 'dyke' with J.F.A.
onnit.
I thought it was an entertainin'
thing to see,
that tat.
We coulda checked gallery for it it,
but,
sadly,
NickyJ jus' couldn't play the switches.
Shame.
But I Vote Him "Scapegoat"
Of The Year.
Followed by Pop's.
Because his picture's a goat, too...
I had a goat,
but,
I've gotten fox in my poor lazy days.
Still,
as 'The Beastie Boys' said,
"She's Crafty",
and while I'm not
a She,
I am crafty.
"Craaaaa~~~~~~fffffttttty!"
That is to say,
I love craft.
Watercraft are especially lover'ly,
amazin',
bein' a seaman,
jus'im
a'gin
e
Anyway
the tatt'a'Jodie Foster'-s
A-R-M-(eee)',
wrapt his ute'a'round'a'pole,
numerous times
to my delight,
as you can
see,
for I have a poor memmory...
Humour's pre-
Crystalmethbunny hadda tattoo
that remindes me of this
typersation.
It was a 'dyke' with J.F.A.
onnit.
I thought it was an entertainin'
thing to see,
that tat.
We coulda checked gallery for it it,
but,
sadly,
NickyJ jus' couldn't play the switches.
Shame.
But I Vote Him "Scapegoat"
Of The Year.
Followed by Pop's.
Because his picture's a goat, too...
I had a goat,
but,
I've gotten fox in my poor lazy days.
Still,
as 'The Beastie Boys' said,
"She's Crafty",
and while I'm not
a She,
I am crafty.
"Craaaaa~~~~~~fffffttttty!"
That is to say,
I love craft.
Watercraft are especially lover'ly,
amazin',
bein' a seaman,
jus'im
a'gin
e
Anyway
the tatt'a'Jodie Foster'-s
A-R-M-(eee)',
wrapt his ute'a'round'a'pole,
numerous times
to my delight,
as you can
see,
for I have a poor memmory...
Humour's pre-
doofqueen
Bluelighter
What do people make of this article? Actually what do people think of SG's as a site? I have to say that I really liked it when i first heard of it as i am a fan of "alternate" naked girls but over time i've started being a bit iffy about when I read things like this and actually really think about what it all represents
Suicide Girls: an anti-Arab, anti-woman-ran company
by Max B
February 14, 2006
Dressed up as punk and Feminist, the SuicideGirls will be at the Arena in Qld., inevitably parading piercings, dyed hair, skin art and the other ingredients which effectively guaranteed the sensation its success.
There will be readers who will have acquainted themselves with Suicidegirls.com, and book, and burlesque review, alike. Championed by "pro-sex"-identified "Feminists" and Pop Culture's darlings, each are capitalist triumphs.
However, company president of the SuicideGirls Sean "Spooky" Suhl's inarguably questionable contracts, misogyny, pro-war neo-conservatism and lies should be common knowledge by now.
As should be Suhl's equally grotesque ideas about the Palestinians:
"I just said that all the Palestinians dying of smallpox is hopeful thinking for me. Sue me. It's a death cult not a civilization and them finally being wiped out by their buddy Saddam sounds like such a fitting end."
An exemplary piece on nypress.com, complete with some rather cogent testimonies maintained by plenty of people who vacated the office once Suhl's corporate strategies, sexist language, and lies about their wages, surfaced; Blog entries and threads authored by progressives which scrutinise Suicidegirls.com's misappropriation of "empowerment" to reinforce its recruitment tactic ("The fact that doing a shoot for Suicide Girls makes you feel empowered doesn't mean that the audience masturbating to your pictures is going to recognise you as any more of a human being than if you had done a shoot for Hustler," observed one blogger);
An accurate observation which adorned a Bitch magazine write-up:
"...despite their tattoos, hair coloring, and creative piercings, they fall neatly within the confines of mainstream beauty standards. Imagine giving the varsity cheerleading squad makeovers at Hot Topic, and you wouldn't be too far off. Most of the models here (and on other indie-porn sites, too) are thin, white, and traditionally beautiful. Fat girls-hell, even average plump girls-aren't Suicide Girls, and with only a couple of exceptions, neither are girls of color...there's a certain kind of hypocrisy in a site that pats itself on the back for being "different," yet seems to equate that only with being different from others featuring blond Pamela Anderson manques."
So what triggered the suicide's decomposition?
Dia, ex-SuicideGirl, believes all the models who exiled themselves either are among girls enabled to encounter company patriarch Sean Suhl's misogynistic abuse, rightfully pursued the royalties disingenuously promised the models, or demonstrated loyalties, which indubitably strengthened the allegations.
Another ex-model, DVD star Jennifer "Sicily" Caravella, says Suhl housed the models in squalor, and too maintains charges of sexism and lies about their wages:
"You're giving money to a man who treats women like shit."
Another says, "Sean always seemed to have short man's complex. Like one of those geeks in school who suddenly gets pussy and he's not overjoyed-he's thinking, 'I'm going to get back at them now'."
"SuicideGirls is the Wal-Mart of alt-porn," says another.
And Kelly "Shera" Kleinert, "talentless," "replaceable," "stupid," by Suhl's account, too mentioned the squalor, and the sexism, and the very same royalties scam.
Online, Jessica Hopper and Julianne Shepherd boast a thinkpiece which scornfully examines Suicidegirls.com:
"Suicide Girls' much-touted diversity includes dark-haired, tattooed, skinny white girls with lots of piercings and dark-haired, tattooed, skinny, white girls with just a few piercings."
Homogeneous women striking porn mag poses always resembled homogeneous women striking porn mag poses.
"Suicidegirls.com hinges itself on the idea that there is no male gaze, that pornography can exist outside the bounds of subject/object relations, that there is no soft-focus power imbalance inherent in paying to look at naked girls. Behind this facade, convenient principles of second-wave feminism are folded into convenient principles of "fuck me feminism"-the ideals of independence and self-support are melded to "empowerment via self-exploitation and aesthetic control." Suicidegirls.com uses tattoos and piercings as shorthand for the real-life ethics of punk rock, and its feminism is similarly superficial. Its members and models are led to believe they're dismantling the master's house; in fact, their photographs and membership dues have helped build it."
Suicidegirls.com's "rhetoric of edginess" veils its reality. Contracts ensure SG Services, Inc. owns all the images of the models, now and forever. The women relinquish ownership, immediately. Now, and forever, SG Services Inc. can, and have, abused the contracts of critics. Surprise, surprise. Intimidation, and Exploitation, "sex" work style.
What those who embrace euphemisms as duplicitous as "pro-sex" or "sex-positive" neglect to offer are a shifting of paradigms, worthwhile activism, or anything.
Anyone who considers a commodity, wherein germinates male-centredness, sex, only exhibit their complicity unto patriarchy, just as those who embrace an equally duplicitous euphemism, "pro-life," exhibit their sheer ignorance (who is anti-sex or sex-negative, or anti-life, seriously?)
Eclipsed by photo shoots or scenes "calculated to kindle male desire," our struggles with violence, domestic or otherwise, rape, unaffordable or inadequate childcare services, corporate media's role in auto-observation, inarguably patriarchal leadership on reproductive rights, and the trafficking of girls (unquestionably, pornography preys on girls who, coerced by gross economic disadvantage, "choose" "sex" work), are inconsequencial.
Be empowered by porn mag poses and homogeneity, girls!
Should the work operate as another woman's enslavement, then who cares?
To cynically indulge injustice isn't Feminism.
Feminists, authentic Feminists, challenge agents which cultivate a socialised inequity.
Gender, class, race, all three "conditions" distort the value so often accorded to choice.
White, middle class women who can, and have, chosen a career indulging patriarchy glamourise "sex" work, exhibit their complacency, denying "conditions" affect their sisters' "choices," so challenge nothing.
Pimping is pimping.
Suicide Girls: an anti-Arab, anti-woman-ran company
by Max B
February 14, 2006
Dressed up as punk and Feminist, the SuicideGirls will be at the Arena in Qld., inevitably parading piercings, dyed hair, skin art and the other ingredients which effectively guaranteed the sensation its success.
There will be readers who will have acquainted themselves with Suicidegirls.com, and book, and burlesque review, alike. Championed by "pro-sex"-identified "Feminists" and Pop Culture's darlings, each are capitalist triumphs.
However, company president of the SuicideGirls Sean "Spooky" Suhl's inarguably questionable contracts, misogyny, pro-war neo-conservatism and lies should be common knowledge by now.
As should be Suhl's equally grotesque ideas about the Palestinians:
"I just said that all the Palestinians dying of smallpox is hopeful thinking for me. Sue me. It's a death cult not a civilization and them finally being wiped out by their buddy Saddam sounds like such a fitting end."
An exemplary piece on nypress.com, complete with some rather cogent testimonies maintained by plenty of people who vacated the office once Suhl's corporate strategies, sexist language, and lies about their wages, surfaced; Blog entries and threads authored by progressives which scrutinise Suicidegirls.com's misappropriation of "empowerment" to reinforce its recruitment tactic ("The fact that doing a shoot for Suicide Girls makes you feel empowered doesn't mean that the audience masturbating to your pictures is going to recognise you as any more of a human being than if you had done a shoot for Hustler," observed one blogger);
An accurate observation which adorned a Bitch magazine write-up:
"...despite their tattoos, hair coloring, and creative piercings, they fall neatly within the confines of mainstream beauty standards. Imagine giving the varsity cheerleading squad makeovers at Hot Topic, and you wouldn't be too far off. Most of the models here (and on other indie-porn sites, too) are thin, white, and traditionally beautiful. Fat girls-hell, even average plump girls-aren't Suicide Girls, and with only a couple of exceptions, neither are girls of color...there's a certain kind of hypocrisy in a site that pats itself on the back for being "different," yet seems to equate that only with being different from others featuring blond Pamela Anderson manques."
So what triggered the suicide's decomposition?
Dia, ex-SuicideGirl, believes all the models who exiled themselves either are among girls enabled to encounter company patriarch Sean Suhl's misogynistic abuse, rightfully pursued the royalties disingenuously promised the models, or demonstrated loyalties, which indubitably strengthened the allegations.
Another ex-model, DVD star Jennifer "Sicily" Caravella, says Suhl housed the models in squalor, and too maintains charges of sexism and lies about their wages:
"You're giving money to a man who treats women like shit."
Another says, "Sean always seemed to have short man's complex. Like one of those geeks in school who suddenly gets pussy and he's not overjoyed-he's thinking, 'I'm going to get back at them now'."
"SuicideGirls is the Wal-Mart of alt-porn," says another.
And Kelly "Shera" Kleinert, "talentless," "replaceable," "stupid," by Suhl's account, too mentioned the squalor, and the sexism, and the very same royalties scam.
Online, Jessica Hopper and Julianne Shepherd boast a thinkpiece which scornfully examines Suicidegirls.com:
"Suicide Girls' much-touted diversity includes dark-haired, tattooed, skinny white girls with lots of piercings and dark-haired, tattooed, skinny, white girls with just a few piercings."
Homogeneous women striking porn mag poses always resembled homogeneous women striking porn mag poses.
"Suicidegirls.com hinges itself on the idea that there is no male gaze, that pornography can exist outside the bounds of subject/object relations, that there is no soft-focus power imbalance inherent in paying to look at naked girls. Behind this facade, convenient principles of second-wave feminism are folded into convenient principles of "fuck me feminism"-the ideals of independence and self-support are melded to "empowerment via self-exploitation and aesthetic control." Suicidegirls.com uses tattoos and piercings as shorthand for the real-life ethics of punk rock, and its feminism is similarly superficial. Its members and models are led to believe they're dismantling the master's house; in fact, their photographs and membership dues have helped build it."
Suicidegirls.com's "rhetoric of edginess" veils its reality. Contracts ensure SG Services, Inc. owns all the images of the models, now and forever. The women relinquish ownership, immediately. Now, and forever, SG Services Inc. can, and have, abused the contracts of critics. Surprise, surprise. Intimidation, and Exploitation, "sex" work style.
What those who embrace euphemisms as duplicitous as "pro-sex" or "sex-positive" neglect to offer are a shifting of paradigms, worthwhile activism, or anything.
Anyone who considers a commodity, wherein germinates male-centredness, sex, only exhibit their complicity unto patriarchy, just as those who embrace an equally duplicitous euphemism, "pro-life," exhibit their sheer ignorance (who is anti-sex or sex-negative, or anti-life, seriously?)
Eclipsed by photo shoots or scenes "calculated to kindle male desire," our struggles with violence, domestic or otherwise, rape, unaffordable or inadequate childcare services, corporate media's role in auto-observation, inarguably patriarchal leadership on reproductive rights, and the trafficking of girls (unquestionably, pornography preys on girls who, coerced by gross economic disadvantage, "choose" "sex" work), are inconsequencial.
Be empowered by porn mag poses and homogeneity, girls!
Should the work operate as another woman's enslavement, then who cares?
To cynically indulge injustice isn't Feminism.
Feminists, authentic Feminists, challenge agents which cultivate a socialised inequity.
Gender, class, race, all three "conditions" distort the value so often accorded to choice.
White, middle class women who can, and have, chosen a career indulging patriarchy glamourise "sex" work, exhibit their complacency, denying "conditions" affect their sisters' "choices," so challenge nothing.
Pimping is pimping.
UnSquare
Ex-Bluelighter
Suicide Girl=Airsome
Uh, yeah, 94'
To all the ladies in the place with style and grace
Allow me to lace these lyrical duches in your bushes
Who rock grooves and make moves with all the mommies?
The back of the club, sippin Moet, is where you'll find me
The back of the club, mackin hoes, my crew's behind me
Mad question askin, blunt passin, music blastin
But I just can't quit
Because one of these honies Biggie gots ta creep with
Sleep with, keep the ep a secret why not
Why blow up my spot cause we both got hot
Now check it, I got more Mack than Craig and in the bed
Believe me sweety I got enough to feed the needy
No need to be greedy I got mad friends with Benz's
C-notes by the layers, true fuckin players
Jump in the Rover and come over
tell your friends jump in the GS3, I got the chronic by the
tree
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
Throw your hands in the air, if youse a true player
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
To the honies gettin money playin niggaz like dummies
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
If you got a gun up in your waist please don't shoot up the
place
Cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin my baby
Bay-bee
Straight up honey really I'm askin
Most of these niggaz think they be mackin but they be actin
Who they attractin with that line, "What's your name, what's
your sign"?
Soon as he buy that wine I just creep up from behind
And ask what your interests are, "who you be with"?
Things to make you smile, what numbers to dial
You gon' be here for a while, I'm gon' go call my crew
You go call your crew
We can rendezvou
at the bar around two
Plans to leave, throw the keys to Lil Cease
Pull the truck up, front, and roll up the next blunt
So we can steam on the way to the telly go fill my belly
A t-bone steak, cheese eggs and Welch's grape
Conversate
for a few, cause in a few, we gon' do
What we came to do, ain't that right boo (truuuueee)
Forget the telly we just go to the crib
and watch a movie in the jacuzzi smoke l's while you do me
If you got a gun up in your waist please don't shoot up the
place
Cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin my baby
Bay-bee
(How ya livin Biggie Smallz?) In mansion and Benz's
Givin ends to my friends and it feels stupendous
Tremendous cream, fuck a dollar and a dream (whaat)
Still tote gats strapped with infrared beams
Choppin o's, smokin lye an' Optimo's
Money
hoes
and clothes
all a nigga knows
A foolish pleasure,
whatever
I had to find the buried treasure, so grams I had to measure
However living better now, Gucci sweater now
Drop top BM's I'm the man girlfriend
(Honey check it, (check it)
Tell your friends, to get with my friends (your freinds)
And we can be friends
Shit we can do this every weekend (that's right)
Aight? Is that aight with you?
(Yeah... keep bangin)
Uhh, Check it out,
My full shit, for that ass,
Uh, Puff Daddy, Biggie Smalls,
Junior M.A.F.I.A., represent baby bay-bay!
Uhh!
Damn straight.
That's hous' I got my limp...
Surge On!
Mis DQ... said:
Uh, yeah, 94'
To all the ladies in the place with style and grace
Allow me to lace these lyrical duches in your bushes
Who rock grooves and make moves with all the mommies?
The back of the club, sippin Moet, is where you'll find me
The back of the club, mackin hoes, my crew's behind me
Mad question askin, blunt passin, music blastin
But I just can't quit
Because one of these honies Biggie gots ta creep with
Sleep with, keep the ep a secret why not
Why blow up my spot cause we both got hot
Now check it, I got more Mack than Craig and in the bed
Believe me sweety I got enough to feed the needy
No need to be greedy I got mad friends with Benz's
C-notes by the layers, true fuckin players
Jump in the Rover and come over
tell your friends jump in the GS3, I got the chronic by the
tree
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
Throw your hands in the air, if youse a true player
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
To the honies gettin money playin niggaz like dummies
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
If you got a gun up in your waist please don't shoot up the
place
Cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin my baby
Bay-bee
Straight up honey really I'm askin
Most of these niggaz think they be mackin but they be actin
Who they attractin with that line, "What's your name, what's
your sign"?
Soon as he buy that wine I just creep up from behind
And ask what your interests are, "who you be with"?
Things to make you smile, what numbers to dial
You gon' be here for a while, I'm gon' go call my crew
You go call your crew
We can rendezvou
at the bar around two
Plans to leave, throw the keys to Lil Cease
Pull the truck up, front, and roll up the next blunt
So we can steam on the way to the telly go fill my belly
A t-bone steak, cheese eggs and Welch's grape
Conversate
for a few, cause in a few, we gon' do
What we came to do, ain't that right boo (truuuueee)
Forget the telly we just go to the crib
and watch a movie in the jacuzzi smoke l's while you do me
If you got a gun up in your waist please don't shoot up the
place
Cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin my baby
Bay-bee
(How ya livin Biggie Smallz?) In mansion and Benz's
Givin ends to my friends and it feels stupendous
Tremendous cream, fuck a dollar and a dream (whaat)
Still tote gats strapped with infrared beams
Choppin o's, smokin lye an' Optimo's
Money
hoes
and clothes
all a nigga knows
A foolish pleasure,
whatever
I had to find the buried treasure, so grams I had to measure
However living better now, Gucci sweater now
Drop top BM's I'm the man girlfriend
(Honey check it, (check it)
Tell your friends, to get with my friends (your freinds)
And we can be friends
Shit we can do this every weekend (that's right)
Aight? Is that aight with you?
(Yeah... keep bangin)
Uhh, Check it out,
My full shit, for that ass,
Uh, Puff Daddy, Biggie Smalls,
Junior M.A.F.I.A., represent baby bay-bay!
Uhh!
Mis DQ... said:
Damn straight.
That's hous' I got my limp...
Surge On!
UnSquare
Ex-Bluelighter
Fo'easy.
Flip that fo' Dubs.
Flip that fo' Dubs.
doofqueen
Bluelighter
so anyway.... no one has any thoughts on feminism and suicide girls at all? I thought it was an interesting article....
doofqueen
Bluelighter
No one has an opinion cos a bluelighter is an SG's girl? *sigh* ok fine....
I respect Taliana alot. I've seen her set and think her pics were beautiful. I'm not pin pointing anyone for doing anything wrong. I just found this stuff out recently and thought it put a different spin of the site for me so was wondering what others thought but i guess i'm the only one that finds this info interesting....
I respect Taliana alot. I've seen her set and think her pics were beautiful. I'm not pin pointing anyone for doing anything wrong. I just found this stuff out recently and thought it put a different spin of the site for me so was wondering what others thought but i guess i'm the only one that finds this info interesting....
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
julia gillard motherfuckers, yeah.
Innocuous said:
No! God/Allah/Buddha/L. Ron Hubbard gave me a doodle to impregnate a suitable wife and produce offspring.
And to pee.
They dont care if I get a job, smoke a cigar, climb mt everest or find a cure for aids as long as I make some babies along the way. Same for girls, who gives a fuck if they make peace in the middle east as long as the pump out kids and keep the world spinning.
That my friend is equality.
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
^^^ i admit i haven't read the rest of this (and in the past you've seemed a reasonable enough fellow), but you're not serious are you? there's NO SUCH THING as biological prerogatives. precursors, sure, but not prerogatives.
Feminism is just plain wrong! I mean, why can't we just go back to the time when it was ok for a stockbroker to slap his secretary on the ass; just for ... well because he COULD.
NOW, both men AND women are left with less freedom from so=called "feminism" .. and its just one of many exammples of annoying "pollitically correctness" banter.
its called penis-envy, freud was no dummy. ok gals?
NOW, both men AND women are left with less freedom from so=called "feminism" .. and its just one of many exammples of annoying "pollitically correctness" banter.
its called penis-envy, freud was no dummy. ok gals?
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