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Australopithecus

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I do not want to gain (more) weight. I have already gained weight to what I desired through eating and training alone.

My weight is stable at 80 kilos.

Too much of it is fat.

I wish to convert this fat to muscle through training and possibly drugs.

My questions are
1. Will steroids/hormones assist with conversion? (NOT mass gain.)
2. If steroids/hormones assist then what would be best weighing also what is easiest on my body?
3. What NON-steroid/hormone supplements food and/or other things might assist conversion of fat to muscle?


Some background info:
I am 25.

I used a 50-tablet bottle of primabollen, tablet strength possibly 2-5mg, one tab a day, when I was 15, prescribed by doctor. I am NOW unsure whether the gains I remember in strength were real or placebo. As another question I would like opinions on whether that quantity and that steroid would have created real gains.

I currently am on suboxone for opiate addiction. Have been clean for several years. The risk of relapse is too high in my mind to risk not being on suboxone.

PS: I am not interested in how to 'score' the drugs nor how to talk to my doctor.

Thanks in advance for all answers.
 
how many threads before you gonna fucking get it . You don't need steroids, you never had steroids, first priority for you get your shit together w the suboxone (I'm an 8 year heroin addict bro , multiple rehabs and i fight to never go back, im not saying this shit to be a dick you just dont seem to get it).
I've almost stroked out on opiates and , yes even suboxone maintenence because of the gear I was running with it - I've lost one of the best bros on the boards i knew DangerousGrounds at 40 years old cuz of the combo.
Stop being selfish with these fucking threads. Get your shit together, I'll gladly send you all the info you can read ... im sure others willl aswell, just stop posting about this shit. jesus christ.
 
Australopithecus said:
I do not want to gain (more) weight. I have already gained weight to what I desired through eating and training alone.

My weight is stable at 80 kilos.

Too much of it is fat.

I wish to convert this fat to muscle through training and possibly drugs.

My questions are
1. Will steroids/hormones assist with conversion? (NOT mass gain.)
2. If steroids/hormones assist then what would be best weighing also what is easiest on my body?
3. What NON-steroid/hormone supplements food and/or other things might assist conversion of fat to muscle?


Some background info:
I am 25.

I used a 50-tablet bottle of primabollen, tablet strength possibly 2-5mg, one tab a day, when I was 15, prescribed by doctor. I am NOW unsure whether the gains I remember in strength were real or placebo. As another question I would like opinions on whether that quantity and that steroid would have created real gains.

I currently am on suboxone for opiate addiction. Have been clean for several years. The risk of relapse is too high in my mind to risk not being on suboxone.
>>>>> GET ON A VIVITROL SHOT, YOU CAN"T BREAK THAT BLOCKER<<<<<
PS: I am not interested in how to 'score' the drugs nor how to talk to my doctor.

Thanks in advance for all answers.
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for sake of education - heres few brief answers to your questions 1-3
1) the only AAS that actually burns fat (belly fat at that) is tren. Which is a compound I'll wager a years pay you should NEVER USE , EVER.
2) This question still seems like a mess, basically what would be best weighing is working to obtain a bodyfat % you and a trainer agree on. What is easiest on your body in what sense ? In regards to weight how the hell can anyone find that out but by being you and figuring out what allows you to do what you want comfortably...
3) Low impact cardio on an empty stomach, quickly followed by for you 20 gram protein shake, not pre-made drinks either the BCAAs break down. Go buy a tub of Whey, asap.

Did your doctor give you a bloodwork and tell you that you were not going to reach puberty without primo ?Otherwise that whole story shoots the moon.
 
2. Best drug for purpose whilst weighing up (taking into account) what is easiest on body NOT what weight but what drug.

3. Thank you.

'Did your doctor give you a bloodwork and tell you that you were not going to reach puberty without primo ?Otherwise that whole story shoots the moon.'

No he just gave me a script immediately first appointment no tests. Came with repeat I did not fill. It cost me between 50 - 100 dollars for bottle from chemist. Its what happened why on earth would I invent that? Maybe he gave me placebos? Maybe he thought the dose was too small to harm me? Maybe he thought Id get harmful shit elsewhere so just gave me something he beleived wouldnt harm me. I dunno. It happened. My mum found out and went off at me for using anabolic steroids. No harm was done. I was just curious is all whether that in that quantity wouldve helped me.

Not sure how participation on forum is selfish.
 
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Here's the thing bro, primo has a purpose for exactly what you are stating. Teenagers who are not reaching puberty, have been put on primo. But I know zero personal cases of this and I knew plenty of kids in highschool who were late bloomers, no primo floating around (trust me when I say w football I was exposed to WHAT WAS around early, and ignorantly!!!).

Primo wouldn't have harmed you, hell even few of my ex's run primo, it's real gentle bro. What this doctors thought process was, I cannot answer. I still have trouble believing it!! Not that I want to be sayin you're lying it's just something I never seen.

As far as your Mum finding out (this is making a lil more sense, im dual citizen to UK and the AAS doc scene there is fucking trump tight hahaha) and you wanting to know that @ what... 10mgs 5x2 daily you would've seen changes ? That wouldn't lift an infants penis imo, I ran primo at 150mg ed and was gettin shit for bein cheap not running enough lol.
 
Start lifting and eat right.

You don't use steroids when you are fat. You use steroids when you are lean.

Stop looking for a magic pill or elixer. Eat right and train.
 
next post will be asking about running slin.

"Do I need to have gatorade or grape juice with me, they are high in sugar"

fuck this day better get better fast.
 
Ok thank you.

I take away from this that steroids wont help me right now. I'll just train harder.

I cannot diet or use 'fat blaster' pills because I dont want to lose weight either (nor gain weight) just want to be lean while remaining same weight.

VIVITROL I am on. It's active is part of suboxone. It is actually weaker than suboxones main active ingredient which is bupe. VIVITROL is actually terrible and in its implant form causes some people to cut themselves open and remove the implant from sheer agony and frustration.
 
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Australopithecus said:
Ok thank you.

I take away from this that steroids wont help me right now. I'll just train harder.

I cannot diet or use 'fat blaster' pills because I dont want to lose weight either (nor gain weight) just want to be lean while remaining same weight.

VIVITROL I am on. It's active is part of suboxone. It is actually weaker than suboxones main active ingredient which is bupe. VIVITROL is actually terrible and in its implant form causes some people to cut themselves open and remove the implant from sheer agony and frustration.
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Someone kill him.....!!!
 
Australopithecus said:
Ok thank you.

I take away from this that steroids wont help me right now. I'll just train harder.

I cannot diet or use 'fat blaster' pills because I dont want to lose weight either (nor gain weight) just want to be lean while remaining same weight.

VIVITROL I am on. It's active is part of suboxone. It is actually weaker than suboxones main active ingredient which is bupe. VIVITROL is actually terrible and in its implant form causes some people to cut themselves open and remove the implant from sheer agony and frustration.
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You can diet and lose fat and keep muscle.

Vivitrol is Naltrexone. Suboxone contains naloxone, a different narcotic antagonist which is inactive when taken orally. It's in there to prevent people from injecting the Suboxone. Naloxone is active when injected and would put the user in withdrawal. Naltrexone can be described as a substituted oxymorphone – here the tertiary amine methyl-substituent is replaced with methylcyclopropane. Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of oxymorphone. Vivitrol has worked for many people, it blocks the euphoric effects of opiates and even alchohol. If you cut the implant out because you want to get high you need serious help.
 
everyday I want to start it up again (today was real hard) and I don't it's amazing how good life is, I got bills like all of us - this week has cost 16 grand though. All that matters to me is w all that happening I opted to not , i wanted to be just me , i finally feel happy and okay as just being who I am
I really have learned I am okay as who I am as a unique person and finding my role in life is a journey not instant ordeal. Be patient and love life.
 
Australopithecus said:
I dont want to lose weight either (nor gain weight) just want to be lean while remaining same weight..
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To be "leaner" you need to loose weight - in the form of fat which is easy; calorie deficit and cardio. If you still want to weigh the same afterwards then you'll have to build up muscle to replace that. Pretty much impossible to do both at the same time.
 
Learn this shit yourself. Jesus. Spoonfeeding accomplishes nothing.
 
I think the op somehow wants to stay exactly the same weight but for his bf% to change down...
My advice is stay away from the juice until your bf% drops, you know how to lift and eat properly and you somehow become un-retarded
 
^ That compound shouldn't be used by anyone unless they are a few wins away from getting their IFBB Professional Card. The average gym rat, amateur bodybuilder, or run of the mill juicehead should not be fucking with a metabolic poison.
 
nolys said:
Or he could just work out naturally for a while?
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Yup. ^ People shouldn't start using fat loss compounds until they have their diet and training in in check. Going from 30% body fat to 10% is fucking ungodly easy once you start eating right and get active.

The only thing you will accomplish by using fat loss compounds when you are fat is extra flaps of skin, and the creation of a clock that is counting down the time until you have to come off the compounds, and when that clock runs out, you will gain everything back because you opted not to learn how to eat right, get in tune with your body, and train correctly.

If you can't cut it naturally, you aren't going to cut it with hormones and chemicals.
 
It's funny how people go through terrible side effects and health risks just to avoid a diet that requires a little discipline and self-control. Drugs aren't even the easy way here. The side-effects of high dose T3, Clen and especially DNP are a lot worse than the side effects of a typical diet.
 
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