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Farage: "I have thrown my hat into the ring"

Hitler was a speed freak, so that probably helped him appear more charismatic..

Meanwhile cocaine found on toilet seats in Parliament and our lot can merely give away the country people died for. Maybe the MP's are being ripped off with a weak drug....
 
Sammy G said:
Alright, so he got the better set designers, but regardless of your views on either his intellect or his aims, you just can't discount the guy.
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Depends what you mean by "discount". Obviously not in the literal sense cos he's made quite an impression on history. As far as watching him speak - including in his big set-piece performances (Triumph of the Will and so forth) - he just comes over like a twat. Clearly I'm not a 30s-era German but all the same it's pathetic. Comes over like any other ranting nutjob to me.

Methox23 said:
Hitler was a speed freak, so that probably helped him appear more charismatic.
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And by "charismatic" I presume you mean pallid, manic, deranged, frothing at the mouth and not somebody you'd want to stand too near too? Meth addicts being famous for their charisma and all that 8)
 
Shambles said:
And by "charismatic" I presume you mean pallid, manic, deranged, frothing at the mouth and not somebody you'd want to stand too near too? Meth addicts being famous for their charisma and all that 8)
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Yes, exactly what I mean =D
 
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Shambles said:
Depends what you mean by "discount". Obviously not in the literal sense cos he's made quite an impression on history. As far as watching him speak - including in his big set-piece performances (Triumph of the Will and so forth) - he just comes over like a twat. Clearly I'm not a 30s-era German but all the same it's pathetic. Comes over like any other ranting nutjob to me.
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Hence the somewhat-outmoded stage German (Bühnendeutsch); it was meant to be that theatrical. It was the equivalent of sending one of the RSC on stage to deliver a soliloquy. They're hardly going to opt to play it cool, are they?

Tapes of Hitler speaking privately have him sounding perfectly calm, genteel even. He was obviously drugged to the eyeballs even then, but there's no trace of this alleged methedrine fury. Though I admit that the drugs were no doubt a valuable tool in ratcheting up the mania charateristic of his public appearances.

Maybe it's just the style you object to (along with some of the content, obv), and it's clouding your views?
 
Hitler appealed to the Germans at that point in history for a number of reasons, but you can't extrapolate from that he was a great public speaker. Maybe this angry fuhrer thing took hold because of the national feeling of persecution at that time, or maybe it's to do with cultural traits that go deeper...... it's a cliche, but if he'd tried the same bombastic shit in Britain during the depression, he'd be considered ridiculous (cf Moseley). He clearly was ridiculous.
 
Sammy G said:
Tapes of Hitler speaking privately have him sounding perfectly calm, genteel even.
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That tape of him speaking privately is pretty stunning isn't it. There's only one recorded example of him speaking normally. He sounds perfectly normal and intelligent and is even saying how he's going to lose against the russians because he underestimated them - says something like "They're making 50,000 tanks - can you believe it?"

I think his speaking style really changed once he became Fuhrer tho - then he concentrated on portraying himself as the great leader. I think his "Beatles in Hamburg" era would've been the early days when he was baiting communists in the beerhalls and speeches in the early pre-1933 era when he was on the cusp of power and going all out to convince people.

I remember an anti-nazi being in a crowd listening to Hitler and he said when everyone started saluting and shouting "Seig Heil" it took all his effort to stop from joining in with them.

Sammy G said:
I think Churchill's monotone was a major weapon in his arsenal to be honest. Helped instill a sense of (false) calm and meant that when he did break out of it for a minute or two, it was all the more effective and affecting. Private accounts certainly attest to his manner being somewhat less predictable.
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Yeah - although I wonder if we've ever heard the real Churchill. I know a lot of his speeches were done after the war by an impersonator because Churchill had a stammer that he struggled with. I can't see him whipping a crowd into mass hysteria but he was certainly an effective communicator.
 
Sammy G said:
Hence the somewhat-outmoded stage German (Bühnendeutsch); it was meant to be that theatrical. It was the equivalent of sending one of the RSC on stage to deliver a soliloquy. They're hardly going to opt to play it cool, are they?

Tapes of Hitler speaking privately have him sounding perfectly calm, genteel even. He was obviously drugged to the eyeballs even then, but there's no trace of this alleged methedrine fury. Though I admit that the drugs were no doubt a valuable tool in ratcheting up the mania charateristic of his public appearances.

Maybe it's just the style you object to (along with some of the content, obv), and it's clouding your views?
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A lot of the footage we've seen of him is sped up slightly, is it not? To make it look that little bit crazier.
 
Yep. That's exactly right.

Ismene said:
That tape of him speaking privately is pretty stunning isn't it. There's only one recorded example of him speaking normally. He sounds perfectly normal and intelligent and is even saying how he's going to lose against the russians because he underestimated them - says something like "They're making 50,000 tanks - can you believe it?"
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Doesn't sit with the traditional image of the raving Hitler, does it?

Ismene said:
Yeah - although I wonder if we've ever heard the real Churchill. I know a lot of his speeches were done after the war by an impersonator because Churchill had a stammer that he struggled with. I can't see him whipping a crowd into mass hysteria but he was certainly an effective communicator.
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I don't think it's been established how many recordings actually were genuine, but an actor was certainly employed for a few of them. Maybe not so many as David Irving claimed:


http://www.theguardian.com/media/2000/oct/29/uknews.theobserver

In 1990 an American speech research group called Sensimetrics tested 20 of the speeches that Decca and EMI sell under Churchill's name. The speech patterns on three recordings were found to be different. They were the disputed speeches originally made in Parliament in 1940: the Dunkirk speech, the 'Finest Hour' speech, and the one made on 13 May, when Churchill promised 'blood, toil, tears and sweat'.
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Ismene said:
Yeah - although I wonder if we've ever heard the real Churchill. I know a lot of his speeches were done after the war by an impersonator because Churchill had a stammer that he struggled with. I can't see him whipping a crowd into mass hysteria but he was certainly an effective communicator.
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To quote Mark E Smith:
Winston Churchill had a speech impediment
And look what he did
Erased half of London
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BecomingJulie said:
If I was Nigel Farage, I wouldn't throw my hat anywhere, just in case somebody peed in it.

EDIT: Hell yeah! Let's do that! Who's up for piddling in Nigel Farage's hat?
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I'd rather you didn't, but if you must, I'll buy a cheap baseball cap for you plebs to piss in as that's the only hat you'll be able to recognise.
 
Sammy G said:
Maybe it's just the style you object to (along with some of the content, obv), and it's clouding your views?
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Not so much a possibility as a fairly obvious FACT! that surely affects everybody who wasn't there at the time. I can't really see how it would be possible for anybody to not be influenced by what they know about the whole Hitler thing since it happened. This obviously applies to anybody saying his rehtoric is somehow birlliant too so presumably balances out and merely shows underlying beliefs.

Out of context - having no experience or knowledge of the theatrical background you suggest - it's the ranting of a sweaty, ill-educated moron. In context it clearly worked for quite a lot of people... although I'd suggest there were a number of other factors in play which would probably have allowed for any suitably determined bigot to exploit in much the same fashion if they put the effort in.

On a more fundamental level, Hitler happens to looks a bit like Daddy Dearest and the shared mannerisms and behaviour (invading of Poland aside) are probably a large part of why I find him so transparent, uninspiring and such a poor orator. Grow up with a twat like that and it just ain't very impressive (assuming at least average intelligence anyway).

Also...

spudgun said:
Hitler appealed to the Germans at that point in history for a number of reasons, but you can't extrapolate from that he was a great public speaker. Maybe this angry fuhrer thing took hold because of the national feeling of persecution at that time, or maybe it's to do with cultural traits that go deeper...... it's a cliche, but if he'd tried the same bombastic shit in Britain during the depression, he'd be considered ridiculous (cf Moseley). He clearly was ridiculous.
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... that.
 
His stage lighting techniques are still used by performers today.
Personally I think his schtick (ooh - is that Yiddish?) has been overdone to the point of cliché.
Like rockabilly, but even less appealing.
 
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