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European Heroin Discussion v We like noise, it's our choice (v.17)

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^ i'm going to try and make that a date. i will phone my dw on monday as she suggested, ask for my script to be put back up and ask her "why didn't anybody tell me?" in a jack black school of rock kind of style. if she knows about this then she should have talked to me about it ; she knows what I'm like. wish i could drive. i'm going to get them to pay taxi fares as well, (to and from the train station. hell, i may as well get the night at the hotel too.

night of passion you and me charlie and anyone else. I'll wear a Benny hat and call you Miss Diane
 
That's great information from Charlie. I remember some time back they were threatening me with getting off my script and Charlie told me basically what he has posted above and I looked more into the 'Orange book' etc and when I told my drug service that it wasn't true what they were telling me and mentioned about the Orange book they soon stopped hassleing me.
 
I seem to either be the very lucky one amongst us or canny i dunno .

My doc never puts pressure on me to reduce either my Methadone or benzo maintanence . When i mentioned the thing about getting money for getting patients off methadone his answer was
Well i won't be making any extra fuking money with you lot
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True story .
 
brimz said:
I seem to either be the very lucky one amongst us or canny i dunno .

My doc never puts pressure on me to reduce either my Methadone or benzo maintanence . When i mentioned the thing about getting money for getting patients off methadone his answer was
True story .
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They obviously recognize dedication when they see it Brimz.
My mate recently had his script reduced by 10ml. The nurse spoke to his doctor and told him to reduce the script and then rang my mate to tell him what she had done.
To say he gave her hell for it is an understatement.
 
Yeah i heard about that piss take Max .

Life hasn;t always been like this i have been withe local DSP twicen was kicked off my script n left with fuk all luckily i've always got my benzos from a gp.

The last time they did it was a week after my Dad had died :| & they banned me from DRug treatment in Bath for 3 months .

I had recently moved house so i went to the local surgery knowing that they had a very maverick doctor that is either loved or hated & got an appt with him.
I explained that i had been kicked out of treatment for trying to alter a script ( it was meant to be for 14 extra blues to help me cope with my Dads death. It turned out to be 14 blues on a Daily pick up 1 a day i was in a state so i tried changing it & got caught & within a hour was kicked out for 3 months .

The Doctor asked what dose i was on 65ml & 49 yellows & 210ml of nitrazepam . He then phoned up the dsp n kept it on speaker phone so i could hear them .

They were saying "This patient is nightmare don't take him on n stuff like that" this made himwant to take me on more , like i said he's a maverick i've been with him since .
Only get piss test to check i'm taking my meds & have to see a key worker 30 mins amonth who is a mate i used to go drining with anyway :)

God knows what would have hapened had The Doc not taken me on .

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oh yeah i have also been kicked out of a surgery for getting aDoctor to over prerscribe ?

Surely he should have got in trouble not me ?
 
What a great doctor you have got Brimz.
That is disgraceful how your dsp treated you and to be telling the doctor over the phone that you are a nightmare and not to take you on is just plain out of fucking order.
I really like your doctor he sounds great, I love people who go against convention and won't do what others try to tell them what to do.
I reckon everyone has probably got some story of bad treatment by their Dsp.
 
Yeah, the 'mavericks'are often your best bet. Even those with a bad reputation among their liberal colleagues - quite often, it's the 'politically correct' types who'll dump on you from a great height..

Top advice for PP, brimz. By all means holler at your dsp Monday, PP, but don't give your game plan away; keep The Alliance to yourself for now. And, as I'm sure you know, don't say too much about the DDN affair, either: they won't pay your cab fares and may even send a 'loony/troublemaker on way' alert to the organisers.

Mention in passing the DDN affair to your dsp if you like - it was in Brum last year, too - but it's quite possible your key really does know nothing and, even if she does, there's nothing she can do except hinder at this late stage

Alternatively, you could blag the free shuttle to the venue from BI station ; in the afternoon, most riders will be heading the other way, which 'll provide a 'pass' source in the unlikely event the driver asks for id. But that's as a polite local user interested in improving their drug education and to learn what they can learn about the event without a ticket; as I say, the reception peeps will do what they can to help. See what develops; if you get on well and you're really freaked by all this script hustle, you could ask for someone from the Alliance and hope to speak to them there and then - these are by and large good people who'll go out of their way to help genuine users in need if they can. But, if there's not that degree of urgency, or you still can't get there Thurs, Brimz's suggestion is the way to go.

Feel free to pm me if I haven't confused ya enough already. And good luck!
 
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Thanks for the info charlie, i told my worker back then that this was a life style choice i had made and intend to stick to,and iv been pretty much left alone.
but its shitty seeing people i know getting bullied and pushed around by the drug teams.
Think i might start looking into what my own GP can do ,or even go private.
 
Its a pity I have never heard of these conferences before, I would have been really be interested in attending but cant due to work. When you hear of any more events like this charlie, will you post the details. Im sure there is a good few on this forum who would appreciate it.
Its only since the start of the drought that I have started to take a great interest in the "behind the scenes" goings on RE treatment and the laws, and the more I learn the more it disghusts me. If only more users gave a dam about it all instead of just living up to the stereotype (thats how I feel a lot of the users round our way are), things might move forward a gear
 
Way to go, Thattoh, one by one they pick up the news and pass it on. There's a lot available on line - DDN is there in full and the latest surveys can be found via Drugs (& drink) Effectiveness Bank. The Alliance will link to discussion sites on which the more thoughtful drug workers talk of their problems and perspectives and, on the other side of the coin, the likes of 'Wired In' and, worse of all, 'Addiction Today', show you the funding power, incessant propaganda, blatant lies and censorship of the rehab industry. It's all out there for you and, if you want a legal life, read and fight back now.
 
a hated using lemon years ago when all the shops stopped selling that health drink that everybody used to drink for a hangover cant remember wat its called it had a separate sachet abdine a think it was called...it broke the gear down great,,then all the shops stopped selling it... has any of you been on that <website..> =D
 
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Lemon juice is not so wise, vinegar (distilled type) is acceptable if citric/vit c isn't possible. I wouldn't fancy shooting up aspirin at all. Aside from making me shudder at the thought (perhaps irrationally) you're still shooting pills with all the additional risks that comes with. No idea if it would actually work but I'd go for distilled vinegar if it were I. Assuming that's available. Does have the slightly annoying side-effect of hitting the back of your throat with a massive vinegar rush though which is kinda odd.
 
sorry to hear about your struggles pink, my old docs surgery had 1 doc who wanted to help but he was too soft i was on a script of 8-10 60mg dhc a day plus 60mg diazepam,10mg nitrazepam , sometimes changing to methadone but workin on rigs had to be pills to smuggle so stayed on diffs, 300 of us users saw that doc until he retired ,he warned us other docs were glad to see him going so be prepared, i used to get 3-3 week scripts on my 3 weeks off , i went away came home 3 weeks lter having called in my script from rig, i went in to collect i got 1 week script at 4 dhc a day 30mg diazepam a day 10mg nitraz a day and told that was them finished prescribing to addicts , if reqd they would refer us to local drug services (6 month waiting list) everyone on meth got reduced 10mg per week to 10mg then off too,brutal whole town went nuts shopliftingandcrimewise more dealers poppedup everywhere,i was lucky and managed to wangleinto a different surgery where dr saw my main reason forusin waspain an sent me for mri,pain clinic etc and put me on oxy but those other docs can burn in hell, docs supposed to care ,not them,thts damn evil if u ask me!
 
Story still the same in Dublin city center, scoring not a problem if you know how to dress who to look out for and what to say, 3 for 50 bucks and actually decent gear. scored within 15mins.
 
lemon juice always brings the story of the bacteria in te juice that makes u blind or some such stuff....bitd me and my mates used it for ages1-2 years before we started on citric and no one got ant eye problems .....not saying its not possible but i reckon if you have a fresh one or use jiff then i wouldn't worry after all its only a one off every now n again right?

Sorry bout the pathetic post the other night , just saw it , i was mightly fucked up. Had two days on ;done but felt like shit today , took 60mg last night and 55mg early this morning but had a smoke at 3.30pm and by the 2-3 run it felt fucking marvelous, got a nice lump of dosh coming in soon and some oxy's so should be set fo teh next 2 weeks or so. Same gear pale powder .2/.3 for a gouch still 9o a g but well you know..
 
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lemon juice always brings the story of the bacteria in te juice that makes u blind or some such stuff....bitd me and my mates used it for ages1-2 years before we started on citric and no one got ant eye problems .....not saying its not possible but i reckon if you have a fresh one or use jiff then i wouldn't worry after all its only a one off every now n again right?
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Surely once the juice is fresh from the lemon and once boiled withe the gear any bacteria would be killed ? I never had any problem using it when i was stuck.. But defo the best if you're stuck is distilled vinegar (the clear stuff) which is essentially just asorbic acid and water. Once again, when boiled woudn't the bacteria be killed or are the bacteria that can withstand temps above boiling point, I dunno... I defo wouldn't use jiff or the stuff or any other bottles of lemon juice, there would be all kinds of additives and acidity regulators in there, which fuck with you. Irish gear has been stepped on so many times with all kinds of cut but that's no reason to just think ah fuck it what's a little more...
 
From a respected HR supplies website:

What are the dangers of lemon juice?

Lemon juice, both from freshly squeezed lemons and packaged lemon juice sold for cooking, contains citric acid and is sometimes used to dissolve brown heroin for injection.

There is research showing that lemon juice can carry fungal infections, which can infect the heart (endocarditis) and eyes (candidal endopthalmitis). The candidal fungi lives on the skins of the lemons when they are growing on the tree, when the lemons are processed the fungus is transferred to the juice.

Among needle exchange workers attending our safer injecting courses during 2000/1, there was a rapid increase in awful stories of eyesight loss due to candidal endopthalmitis amongst their clients.

This was almost caused by the difficulties drug users were experiencing in buying citric acid, and the resulting increase in the use of lemon juice and vinegar as acidifiers, and was a significant part of the reason we were so motivated to source and supply sachets.

Candidal fungal contamination of vinigar is also possible.
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Of course, they have a vested interest in you buying their citric etc, but I trust them.

Going to see if I can track down any actual research etc for you guys though :)
 
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