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well thats a facinating theory but we are talking reality here heroin.
Have you mastered heroin and are in control of it? Cos its sent hundreds stronger mentally than you or me to their graves or consigned to a life of misery or opiate dependance best case scenario.thats not control thats dependance and addiction.
I love heroin but once you know and get to love that feeling its very hard to forget about it and leave it alone
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I never found it to be that addictive tbf.

Sure I've had my moments, and I'm on a 50ml meth script due to being a bit silly in the past. But overall I still think it's a healthier/better option than going out and getting pissed.

Just cause you use heroin doesn't mean you have to succumb to the BS media stereotype.
 
I am speaking from expierences as a homeless drug addict not sun newspaper reader. I have job apartment and life together now.
I was strung out for about 6/7 months of daily use.nice material never chipped.i had what hardcore needle addicts called a budgie habit.
Didnt feel so budgy when clucking i bought only 150mls of phy for my self taper.a joke not close enuff.i drank the phy in 2 days and clucked for the next seven. Chills, cravings, depression, pains in bones, no sleep sweats etc ie torture lol.
Well i did apply for the local methadone clinic did my 2 urines and got a first dose of 20ml as is normal but didnt go back as i didnt want to be dependant on done. That was 2010.
Smoke the odd bag if i can get good tac but i find my use increasing and h in my thoughts a lot.its slippery stuff
 
I never found it to be that addictive tbf.

Sure I've had my moments, and I'm on a 50ml meth script due to being a bit silly in the past. But overall I still think it's a healthier/better option than going out and getting pissed.

Just cause you use heroin doesn't mean you have to succumb to the BS media stereotype.

A lot do though Cornish. I worry for you for what its worth but I think you have a long way to go on your journey. sorry to sound naff. go careful <3

I am speaking from expierences as a homeless drug addict not sun newspaper reader. I have job apartment and life together now.

Smoke the odd bag if i can get good tac but i find my use increasing and h in my thoughts a lot.its slippery stuff

Its a really slippery slope. in my opinion once you've had a problem with it you cant chip, you'll relpase sooner or later as bad if not worse. I dont think addicts can use at all, sad to say they have to accept & kiss it goodbye for once and for all. You're either in or you're out. Not worth it if you've got an option.
 
'Just cause you use heroin doesn't mean you have to succumb to the BS media stereotype'

agree with this 100%, iv had a habit over 20 years and although my using used to be chaotic fucked up, and well out in the open.for the past few years only 3 people know i still use (1 of thems my dealer )
 
Yeah but is your life great? I guess thats a dumb question its a matter of opinion.

And like I said I think its a sooner or later situation. I hope it doesn't all go tits up for you but its only been a couple of years. You cant get too confident with heroin.
 
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I attended a large city centre methadone clinic 13 years ago for councilling i wasnt on phy.
Horrible place to be going regularly for a miserable drop of green liquid.then takeaways after a while.wow not the kind of life i would settle for or be content with.that or active addiction.damage limitation or what not. Not a very happy existancecwould have
 
hi badandwicked ,dont know if that post was for me, but yes my life is fine , got a job that i love ,earn ok, the mrs gets X amount of money every week before i see my fella .
we had a child 7 years ago and thats when every thing changed (for me) im lucky enough to be able to take care of the home and still be in the position to get fucked up (when lil legs gets off to bed)
im more in control of my life now than iv ever been.
 
acieed ed , im 42 mate had habit since 94, im a smoker hit up 3 times my whole life ,got a jollop script,what is 1 regret ,but on the other hand has kept me out of bother,and kept the mrs happy.
if i was unhappy with my life style id change it, without a fucking doubt.
 
^ thats good strungout long may it continue. Its a fine line balancing act, one unfortunate life event can tip the scales very suddenly. But if you're managing it and happy like I said, long may it continue. Avoiding the needle is a big help. Hows your branding :)
 
@strungout

you must be the one in a billion that can control it after heavy previous use. But that control is illusionary you can just as easy slide back into heavy active addiction if ur life takes a turn for the worse.denial is dangerous territory.
If you have mastered heroin write a book if i were you. You will be a millionaire cos theres many who would like to know the secret ;-)
 
@ badandwicked & acieed ed ,cheers guys ,my control is largely down to the Mrs (god bless her) and acieed iv far from mastered things , just found the right balance of shit that works for me. (almost).
 
we posted the same time acieed-ed :)
well i would normally make some remark about great minds but dont want to be too smug :-)

@strungout

Glad your stable and things are good atm. Look after yourself.

*Now wheres my gizmo i need a turn on ;-)

joke..irish slang for IV'ing
 
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Happy New Year. So I had gone 2 days, dont have habit yet but found a connect. Got a gram. This time looked like a gram though didn't have a scale. Quality was better.
Its hard but has a good taste and trail. Now I am gonna smoke more but gotta be careful. Have work tommorow without a proper habit. I wasn't sick after 32 days just jonesing- but I know thats how it starts.

Saw Nat Geo's Drugs, Inc Detroit. That was intersting. Such a huge part of the inner city is burned out that drug use thrives. Alot of squaters moved in- whole blocks are deserted. Gear is really big there- kids come from the suburbs which are like a different world. In one segment, a sherif from one of the suburbs followed a grandfather taking his sorta grandson into detroit to score and arrested them when they crossed the county lines to get a possession charge- thats plain rediculous.

Anyway, gear there comes from South America but also alot of it come from SE Asia- probably purveyors of the finest gear. Of note, the slang name for heroin in Detroit is "Blow" which usually means cocaine everywhere else. Its an interesting market. It borders Windsor, Canada by bridge and alot of drugs : gear, coke, MDMA, Cannabis transit on cars, lorries, trains, and the water- container ships and small pleasure craft. On the American side immediately were the land meets the water, there are alot of empty neighborhoods and wherehouse districts as if a neurton bomb went off in the area. Techno City is surreal.

Anyway, Finally my favorite show is going international. Drugs, inc London aires nest week.

Last thing about detroit, they mentioned it having a large DMT scene. Apparently alot of the kids into that scene and alot of the kids moving to detroit period are part of a larger movement of travelers- because of the economy, lack of jobs, and cities with abondoned neighborhoods, a large subculture of 20 somethings travel from city to city. And stay temporarily or alittle longer. In some cities like post Katrina New Orleans alot of these kids have helped restructure the drug scene that caters to them: coke, canabis, and heroin being their drug of choice and this varies from city to city.

Anyway, so gonna smoke half of this rock minus like the .2 I smoked. Or maybe I'll put the whole thing down and smoke 1/3 now and the rest after work tommorow. My wife is at work now and daughter with aunt though. The guy I started hooking up from is a middle man but he is talking shit about getting his own thing going. When I went to his house he pulled out a huge bag of "lemon drop" meth- over 3.5 gs, but I can't be doing that. That chemical smell brought back old memories though.

Any suggestions, am I getting sucked into a new habit or are there using guidlines that I can adhere to. No I think I'm getting sucked in, probably should stop before it get way out of control. Its usually my third use were I start to feel the physical symptoms.
 
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This is a website purporting to have spisodes for drugs, inc... if anyone is interested

http://download.televisionfanatic.c...kw=drugs inc&gclid=CMCVlfWYybQCFSmCQgodmEIARA

Here is the official National Geographic Channel website

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/

It looks like it has its own viewwe- porbably best bet. They show it twice 6:00 pm, 9:00 pm PST. I think the same times are in effect on the eastern seaboard which I don't know how far ahead GMT is but I'm guessing 3-4 hrs? Which would make it 9:00 or 10:00 pm for the first episode on London. If you want to see past episodes I really liked the Alaska episode (they had a segment about EtOH deleaing in remote parts of Alaska and how the drug is treated like an illegal drug, along with the state becoming one of the biggest heroin consumers in the USA. NYC is prety good.

[if your bored, don't feel like reading alot, or are tired skip to the last 3-4 paragraphs, or skip the whole post. But It would be nice to get some feedback on Nat Geo's London episode.] By the way, nobody ever answered my question I asked several times- do you have National geographic, in particular the series drugs, inc...?

LA/Holywood episode prety good- gives you insights into the plastic fakeness of the place which transmutes to the drug scene. It shows shot out wanna be actors supporting their habits. Has a doctor that was arrested for righting Rxs for adderal, xanax, ect... which are very big on that scene. Aparently the area has Drs that cater to the needs of actors quasi or full illegally. And also they give an interesting insight into the drug scene. In a shit hole named commerce which is a drug hub the prices are much lower and the quality is very high. A dealer they interviewed said that Hollywood is known for having really bunk drugs- it is low along the totem pole because dealers know people out their will pay whatever to party and it usually makes several stops along it short journey from commerce to Hollywood.

What Beckham and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge see in the place is beyond me. The LA Basin is full of beautiful people, though.

Hawaii is ok but alittle boring. It gives insights into its big meth scene (aka Ice or more local batu). They have one segment about users on the Big Island of Hawaii (which has a relatively small population despite its size.) Anyway gear users fix mexican gear and its cost is 4-5 times what people pay for on the mainland. And I've heard annecdotally the quality is crap- like European drought crap- well I won't go that far- just kidding- but I new a kid that flew to San Diego from Maui to get clean, steped off the plain with a habit and almost died from shooting 1/2 a quarter when he had a 4-5 gram habit back home.

Puerto Rico is good- they mention an alpha2 agonist used in anaesthesia that is so bad that the drug kingpins are purportedly trying to get it stoped.

Monta is so-so: predictably about meth and Canadian Canabis- the border is a mowed strip of land and the US government apparently uses drones and the bears work for the border patrol except they eat you instead of handcuffing you and taking you to jail.

If they did San Diego it would probably say: there is a long legacy of meth use supplied by mexican cartels and bikers, a scene that started with returning GIs in the early 50s. Cannabis dispensaries are almost non-existent but delivery services thrive. (My father-in-law with his card gets buds, hash, hash oil, ect by delivery girls that look and dress like realy hot strippers.)=D MDMA is big but slightly decreasing. Cocaine apparently has seen a recent decrease on this side of the border. But it would probably focus on Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico. This squalid border town has seen lots of kids from San Diego and the suburbs go down for the easy Rx either with or without an MDs Rx depending on the pharmacy. A thriving market for coke, heroin, and meth exists, controlled but gangs contracting with the local cartel. Its surreal- the place is dangerous. Its like living in the UK and having Morocco or better yet Libiya on your border. Leaning closer towards Libyia- more drugs than Platzpitz or some of the other classic open airs of Europe but have an unstable, corrupt system were the police are often doing policing for the drug sellers and nobody is sure who the military is working for this week only that they have alot of high power guns and it would ruin your day if you were caught in a cross fire. And the red light district- were else can you do a line of coke off a stripper's tits then go upstairs and have the same stripper and/or her friend bring you a pipe full of meth to partake mutually- ahh- service with a smile. Certainly not Hamburgh, Sidney, or Amsterdam. But keep in mind, in Amsterdam, abductions aren't quite the huge business they are in TJ.

But this comming Sunday is gonna be London. What I got is the impression that London is full of very beautiful girls and said girls like to do coke. In fact I think that the UK is displacing the US as the coke capital of the world, this is why the UK has been sending military and police support to Colombia. How pervasive is the use of coke. Is it the new hip thing? Is it relatively accepted? Is it a status drug? How is crack regarded and is there much about?

What about heroin relative to cannabis. I saw a BBC show on the worlds 20 most dangerous drugs. What was interesting was that MDMA was 17th and cannabis was ranked alot lower- like 8, 9, or 10. I've always rated it on par with cafeine. Not that I think MDMA is that harmful but I think weed is alot safer. It seems like it has a weird stigma in the UK relative to other countries including the draconian US.

Is it true that smoking gear is relatively acceptable, atleast compared to other European and North American countries, I emphasizerelatively. The BBC ranked heroin as the #1 most dangerous drug, I can think of several other drugs thaat should have that accolade. Lastely I thought is was intersting that the UK has 300,00 heroin users but only 100,000 bezo users. The city I live in probably has more people using benzos- for real if you count the scripts for xanax, klonopin, and what not alone.

Thank you for putting up with my gear- back in the honeymoon phase again fulled tiresome and lengthy prose.

May things continue to improve on your side of the atlantic.

Cheers everyone. I have alot of warm energy but have to get to sleep so I can work tommorow.
 
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Am in starbucks now. Scored 3x 20 bags of lovely brown 20 mins ago.snorted a bag in the jax.now enjoying a double esspresso as my gear digests. Life is fucking good i had around 4 dealers fighting over me picked guy i kinda knew.lovely fishy heroin drip.gonna get a taxi back to my house in a few to have a few lines
my first h since 22dec.
Got neil young - the needle and damage done on my ipod.

Ps have never or never will spike up
 
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All lifes pressures and stress's are in the rearview now B-) love the horse
im in dublin btw. It has one of the largest open air h markets in western europe.i had only stepped off the bus in town <10 mins before i got the gear i wanted
 
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@jspun, always enjoy reading your posts. Both you and Charlie are the two people I would love to meet and go on a worldwide opioid tour with, I'd imagine it would be one hell of a ride.
Gonna try and check out the drugs inc. program's you mention but u don't think they are available on the uk nat geo site, have to do a bit of illegal downloading.

As for here in St Helens the nice gear that was going around just before Xmas has been stamped on, you feel it but after a hour it's gone. Fuckin hate shit head dealers, greedy thick as fuck twats who don't realise that nicer gear will sell better than when it's been danced all over. Anyway they are going to be told again today!! One day they may listen.
 
World dope tour sounds like a great idea, Thattoh..now all you need to do is scoop the lotto to meet the tab.

Good to see ya back on site, jspun, like our future sponsor I always enjoy your posts. Don't have a tv but I'm a real sucker for dope shows and ll checkout the Nat Geo link when I've a minute. As regards the risk your chipping will lead you into murky waters, I'm reminded of the all purpose advice proffered by English magician, author of the classic 'Diary of a Dope Fiend' and 'the most evil man in the world', Alisteir Crowley, to do 'what you wilt' as long as you don't mess with 'the law', by which he didn't mean the FBI. Sure you know what you're doing and have the nous to stay ahead of the game.

Paul Young, aceed? Better check the label next time and avoid what in some quarters would be considered close to sacrilege. Happy New Year to all BLers and dopers everywhere.
 
When you tell me about sucking it up you really aren't in a position to judge man. We were friends long before he got into smack and have gone through shit together that brought me closer to him than I am to my own brother. Things that I'm sure if I explained to you I'm fairly fucking confident you'd go "oh, whoops, sorry" but which I can't go into for reasons I'm sure you're smart enough to deduce yourself. Especially given that throughout our relations together I was quite heavily into opium (a gram of Spanish anhydrous once a week minimum) and, later, smack, and I never let myself turn into a cunt. So I've been there too and there's no call for his behaviour. I should also add he's not irredeemably in a three-gram-a-day habit, he chips 3 days on and 4 off, so it's not exactly ruling his life, it's just bringing out the cunt in him the way a regular weekly coke-habit can turn other people into cunts.
His behaviour constitutes absolute betrayal given the immense favours I've done for him and the shit we've gone through together when I could have left him out to dry, and he deserves to pay hell for it, take my word for it. I have to add he's making a shit-ton of money and would have absolutely no difficulty in paying me back, particularly when I really fucking need the cash, and yet he doesn't do it because he just doesn't give a shit. You're focusing on his "poor mother" suffering but what if she kicks him up the arse and gets him into detox, which is what the cunt needs? Nobody has considered that his mother would take it with balls (and I'm talking about a Pugliese woman with more fire in her than a nuclear reactor) and get her son some help as a possible upshot.


I understand that two wrongs don't make a right and Cornish you're spot on with that, and I know it probably won't get me my money back, but you have to understand my anger at this level of betrayal and I am not going to take it up the arse this way and not react. It's just not in my nature.


All this being said, as I've said before, I'm going to give him one last chance, properly reason with him and make him understand how hurt I am (because we haven't really had a chance to talk things through in depth), and if he apologises all is forgiven, instantly. Contrition goes a long way for me. If he doesn't, he deserves all the shit I can throw at him. I reiterate, nobody here is in a position to judge because you don't understand what's gone on between us (sounds like a gay romance), but smack or no smack he owes me a lot more respect than what he's showing.

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I hear you on all that I'm just saying dont bring it to his mum. Like you said she knows all about the signs of addiction having an addict brother so you wont be telling her anything she doesn't know already, you'll just give her the fear and sleepless nights over her sons drug debts on top of the worry that he's going to die every day. She doesn't know he/you are dealing with especially in the South. Dont dress it up like you just want her to get him help, thats BS.

Do what you like obviously. I just hate seeing mothers suffer.
 
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