EU Referendum Discussion: Well That Worked Out Well Didn't It

[Ceres]

sturgeon for prime minister 2020

 

[Ceres]

Europe is caught into a vicious cycle, oscillating between the Brussels technocracy unable to drag it out of inertia, and the popular rage against this inertia, a rage appropriated by new more radical Leftist movements but primarily by Rightist populism. The Brexit referendum moved along the lines of this new opposition, which is why there was something terribly wrong with it. Look at the strange bedfellows that found themselves together in the Brexit camp: right-wing “patriots,” populist nationalists fuelled by the fear of immigrants, mixed with desperate working class rage—is such a mixture of patriotic racism with the rage of “ordinary people” not the ideal ground for a new form of Fascism?

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http://europe.newsweek.com/brexit-eu-referendum-left-wing-politics-europe-zizek-474322

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/jun/24/arts-hit-back-at-brexit-i-feel-nothing-but-rage

 

[Shambles]

I'm a bit lost here. It is what it is? The vote is in the die is cast.

Procrastination of any type is pointless. Leave won. It won because of stupidity of the voter.

For me change brings opportunity and I laugh at all those poor racists bigots because they create their own demise. I voted for selfish reasons because it became apparent through all the media circus we are but a nation of selfish ignoramous who don't want to actually be educated.

I side with them because it suits me. Fuck empathy fuck equality fuck everything. No one but myself has created my success. I pay for this ignorant masses to have the life they live. This was my chance to get my own back. A lot of those that did vote won't even see the change they be in the ground, they had their chance but they still show the typical English mentality of selfishness.

I'm fed up with this mass stupidity I've been fed up for the last 20 years. I could of made fortunes of migrants. I didn't because I have my ethics and morals.

But I've had enough now. Give them what they want then watch them squirm (just as Boris et al are now doing). Work hard play hard. You voted leave now step up be counted or fuck right off.

Leave always meant a potential good or bad future. Leave requires those that voted leave to get off their arse. I want to see how they will suffer their ignorance, I very much doubt they will step up.

I of course have plan B and C. Get outs I will use as and when the shit goes down.

I'm lucky but you create your own luck in this world. I had nothing and gave my all to create something. Ive never complained about what I don't have because I went out and made it happen.

Let's see if the UK populace have any balls to address the real issue of their own laziness and reliance on others. It's time for change but change can go many ways.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

By the way, for those accusing Remain of sour grapes and not accepting the result with this call for a second referendum...you do realize this original one was created by a Brexit supporter when he thought they would lose?

The petition for a second EU referendum with 3 million signatures was started by a leave voter last month worried the remain camp would win

Oliver Healey - English Democrats
11 hours ago

***CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!!***

Dear All
Re: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum petition
This petition was created at a time (over a month ago) when it was looking unlikely that 'leave' were going to win, with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ferendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39

3 million signatures later, that's quite funny.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

there is your problem, the question asked was whether the the UK should remain a member of the EU,
the question was not do you want to vote for or against the Facist little Englanders. As it used to say in exams, answer the question not what you think the question should be, could be, might be.

The question asked had several complex and nuanced standpoints so stop with the patronising. If it wasn't so complex, why do you think so many people were undecided right up to the end and several are now saying they regret the way they voted?

Supposed socialists in this country took a stand, IMO, the wrong way, handing the 'Leave' campaign over to the extreme right lock, stock and barrel. That's why my vote went from Brexit, to abstain, to Remain for the sake of putting one over on the anti-immigrant crew. Anti-facist as you put it. You're right. I never did like Farage's face.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

But it's good that they're having their say. Here's a 100 or so more 'nothing to do with racism' leave voters expressing themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And good luck drug users!

 

[rujex]

Brits had a big impact on making the EU more complicated. All the special rules the Brits got and still it wasn't enough.

Not that i wished the Uk to leave, but for the sake of Europe the "leave" might be good. Seeing British economy crumble, people will understand, how beneficial Europe really is.

The attempt for a second referendum is ridiculous and desperate. Out is out - at least for some time. Eventually - i think - Britain will come back to mama like a crying baby and suck the breast of Europe. It may be just the lesson Brits needed to learn; the times of empires are gone and only state communities will prevail.

 

[ClemFandango]

Why don't Britain just declare war against the EU? I don't see why we should be grovelling to them to give us a good exit-deal when we can just flex our nuclear muscles.

We've got bare nukes and our SAS can shoot people's heads off from hundreds of miles away.

It should be us dictating terms -- not the other way around.

 

[vecktor]

The question asked had several complex and nuanced standpoints so stop with the patronising. If it wasn't so complex, why do you think so many people were undecided right up to the end and several are now saying they regret the way they voted?

Supposed socialists in this country took a stand, IMO, the wrong way, handing the 'Leave' campaign over to the extreme right lock, stock and barrel. That's why my vote went from Brexit, to abstain, to Remain for the sake of putting one over on the anti-immigrant crew. Anti-facist as you put it. You're right. I never did like Farage's face.

I didn't say that the subject wasn't complex, the question however was simple, and by simply saying that someone does not approve of the UK remaining in the EU means exactly that, nothing more, and it certainly does not mean that they automatically approve of rabid nationalism, bigotry and racism as seems to be suggested by you.

FFS, people undecided until the very end, its not as if there wasn't ample time to figure it out, and reach either yes no or don't fucking vote. If people regret their decision to vote one way or the other, then they clearly didn't think it through. it seems to be less than 1% in any case and more remain voters are happy with the result than leave voters who are unhappy
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746820394217259008

witty reposte to my typo StunnedHippo. I am sure Farage would feel the same about your face if he cared who the hell you were, I guess you can discuss it with him in the queue down at the Jobcenter on Monday with Cameron and the others.

V

 

[ABPI_]

StoneHappyMonday is this news to you that the National Front exists? Shall we start talking about extremism? Start posting pictures all the homophobic comments on facebook and "no gays/drugs/drinking allowed" leaflets they distributed throughout London? You are putting a minority in the lime light, whatever suits your agenda, which at this stage I am not sure exactly what it is.

How long are you going to sulk for anyhow, its not healthy to hold so much hate everyday. Are you going to wake up angry until you eventually leave this extremely horrible country, hey you could head somewhere more liberal like Eastern Europe, or the Middle East, Asia or maybe America? Maybe just wait for the sensible option and move to Scotland in a few years time.

There is going to be no re-vote, we are out.

(Its also hilarious that the majority of those votes are fraudulent, with scores of people asking the rest of the world to sign it, 40,000 from Vatican City alone, strong numbers from such a small state)

 

[Raasyvibe]

I will be voting IN.

When is the deadline?

 

[Ceres]

 

[bums alt]

There is going to be no re-vote, we are out.

""I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.

"There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment."

Intense and intensifying?

Do you know who's words they are ?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

StoneHappyMonday is this news to you that the National Front exists? Shall we start talking about extremism? Start posting pictures all the homophobic comments on facebook and "no gays/drugs/drinking allowed" leaflets they distributed throughout London? You are putting a minority in the lime light,

No. You have given a fascist minority carte blanche to act out their horrible fantasies. That FB page, which isn't mine, is merely collating fascist instances which are now occurring, due to your no vote empowering them, all over the UK.

And weak attempt at pulling away from your original words about the petition (which I also haven't signed before you start). YOU said Farage and co would never have done that. And it turns out his supporters instigated it.

That would be funny. If you actually admitted to being wrong.

Can't reply to you Vektor. I work for a living. Gotta get ready now. Enjoy your daytime TV.

 

[Bearlove]

I thought that this 'Bexit' was just an advisory step so not legally binding until 'Article 50' is invoked - Cameron has said he is not willing to invoke it leaving it for the next guy. Now that Scotland is planning to leave and everyone is now understanding the ramifications of their vote do you not think that there will be another referendum ?

There are quite a few stories about the top Google searches after the vote - what is the EU, what happens if we leave etc

This guy though - I didn't think my vote would count but I voted leave anyway 8(.

 

[spacejunk]

And good luck drug users!

"No tolerance"?
No fun, more like.

I didn't realise the Church had changed their name to National Action.
Prudish little pricks.

 

[Airmid]

If the UK having to pay £3m a week out to foreign families that do not reside in the UK eg. child benefit payments is reasonable then I am obviously a rascist. To see still in this year of 2016 our own people, not necessarily through any fault of their own sleeping literally on the streets disgusts me. To see huge brand new housing estates built with not not one native english persons name on their tenancy agreements disgusts me. I live in a rural area and it is obvious that yes a large percentage of immigrants work hard, but to be salad picking for £2.50 an hour means local people CANNOT afford to take the jobs because they have families here to take care of. A huge percentage of these immigrants are not putting money back in to this economy they send it home and do not pay Council tax. The European newspapers actually advertised how our benefits system works and a lot of the people coming in to the Country are more wised up than we are. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of us have been living with austerity and having to be humiliated by waiting at food banks or getting hand out food parcels from the Church. I am a single mother and I know how shit it is and then find myself stood next to non speaking english people in supermarkets who have been dished out food vouchers. The vote for 'out' has been a cry for some kind of change. Greenland left the EU and no one seemed outraged. The reason being is the UK are one of the highest contributers financially in to the EU and what exactly do we get in return?...I feel this vote was more about the poor voting against the rich and it is most unfortunate that no one bothered out of complacency to fore see this outcome and create a strong strategic plan that should have started to be enforced immediately thereby cutting down on all this unnecessary panic that has subsequently unfolded. As for that ridiculous 2nd petition to Parliament..sorry but fine those people are happy to sit on their arses and press a button why didn't they get off them on polling day?..tough shit.

 

[bums alt]

To see huge brand new housing estates built with not not one native english persons name on their tenancy agreements disgusts me.

I am obviously a rascist.

I am a single mother and I know how shit it is and then find myself stood next to non speaking english people in supermarkets who have been dished out food vouchers. outraged.

I am obviously a rascist.

So trashing the economy

Will that lead to more or less austerity ?

BTW

Its Racist not rascist
Too poor to afford spell check I take it ? I bet them darkies can afford spell check. The cunts.

PS being a single parent doesn't make your uninformed views more valid. If you can't see what the EU does for us then just wait 2 - 10 years for the trade negotiations to be completed. Watch the price of food get higher and higher.

 

[Bearlove]

Is it they cannot afford to take these jobs or is it they were not willing to take the jobs and this caused the vacuum that was filled by the EU migrants? I'm sure there are a lot of town around the UK where people claiming benefit money are fit and able to work but will simply not do these tasks as they seem menial ? I know that the farmers did take advantage of the lower rates they could pay these migrants but would Brits take actually work the fields picking turnips etc?

If you check the details on the second referendum there seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with the names and locations of those voting which makes people suspect a bot filling them out with duplicated names / false locations etc