EU Referendum Discussion: Well That Worked Out Well Didn't It

[ABPI_]

Well now I have read your copy and paste.. thanks, but as the night goes on so does the bottle of whisky lessen, and think it will be the last post before I start uttering words of nonsense, almost Cameron-like throughout his "reign".

I hate copy and pasting twice but;

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Farage denied that his suggestion he would fight for a second referendum would further stoke tensions in the Leave campaign.
"I'm not putting it on the agenda, I don't want a second referendum - I want to win this one," he said.

Do you know the difference between facts though and that of a journalist? Because thats an opiniated article, not factual in any sense at all. All the "I think this, I think this will happen" etc

People say a second referendum is unlikely and political suicide. I don't think it is as unlikely as people think. So many who voted Leave now realize what the costs will be and how the Leave campaign has already broken major promise

Which people? Your journo friends? Or the people from Newcastle that you spoke to on the street? Also it is realise, unless they can not help that american spell check. "So many" people cant believe the scaremongering BEFORE and AFTER the election results, Remain have convinced everyone that they cant go on holiday anymore, no more sunshine in the costa del sol, your holidays are ruined, the economy is fucked, shock horror, a politician lied about NHS funding. Lets go back to every single politician that we have had in power that has gone back on their lies, Cameron springs to mind.

I take good things away from this though, a week from now everyone will have come down from their comedown, less bitter and we will be back to normal, complaining about the drugs, price of drugs, etc Then maybe again in 3 years times we will see another resurgence of angry Remainers.

Good Night.

 

[bums alt]

Julie
Change our minds ?

It's a non binding referendum.

Nothing has started. We have not pushed the button.

They all have euroskeptics and nationalists too, they also understand our culture pretty well.

I do understand that uncertainty hurts them financially too but if they won't give us a bit of time and space to sort things out then maybe we *are* better off out.

Blood in / blood out.
Sounds like a gang to me.

Emotional blackmail isn't cool.
Neither is attempting to intimidate whole populations with the threat of poverty.
I didn't follow the Greece thing especially closely but IIRC they attempted to bully them into submission ?

Playing hard ball with us will feed their own euroskeptics, not silence them.

Luckily Merkel seems to be calling for cool heads.

But who the fuck knows. What irks me most is there was no good reason to even roll the dice.

Imo

At APBI :

I'm not going to debate the words I copied. They're not mine after all.

I just thought it was an interesting read.

 

[ScotchMist]

If you look at the raw data from those votes around only 380,000 are actually from the UK, the rest from outside the UK. Those who think that they are actually going to put in a serious debate about having another referendum are deluded, (was it Cameron who said he wanted a referendum, not a neverendum?) nothing like a bunch of sore losers is there? I wonder if Remain had won, would all the Leave voters be calling for a re vote, staging protests etc. So a minority of the UK are unhappy about losing in a democracy, how do you think the majority of voters feel every general election, where a minority vote can often see you in office? An actual referendum where your vote actually matters and everyones up in arms when the people of the UK have actually spoken 8(.

You lot will have finished sulking in a few days anyway hopefully, as its getting pretty tiresome.

I don't believe there will be a second referendum. As much as it pains me to say it, I don't think there should be. One person, one Vote. They won..

Im not sore. I'm sad. I truly hope I'm proved wrong, pulling faces and saying "I told ya so" is not what I want...

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

'' yet Cameron went and tried to reason with the others, and got told to fuck off, a compromise would have suited everyone''

I had to re-read that twice before I realized it didn't say 'a compromise WHICH would have suited everyone'.......

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

most scared of getting into a debate and being branded a racist, as SHM pointed out, "99% of out voters citied immigration", a fact quoted somewhere from within himself I think.

Now though slowly, more and more Out voters are giving their voice on the matter.

Like this?

https://67.media.tumblr.com/aee9d5cd2c6c3a0d93a6ac0155a69498/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo1_1280.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/cfee4eaf6d7cffc072b9b4f594af517f/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo5_1280.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/41e92419af9d6142a4c812689820a31f/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo3_1280.png

https://65.media.tumblr.com/823d7ff35cbaff002141364bc10984e9/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo2_1280.png

https://65.media.tumblr.com/a80303cbb792aa342010742d89a34a5a/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo4_1280.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/51f201d9b851c1160d725827fe11c796/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo8_1280.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6848e9ab611a50e66ff875c0debb0b7c/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo10_1280.png

https://67.media.tumblr.com/bbab63a9d5cbb749aa587348e1059da5/tumblr_o9amvaQ4ja1qb49svo9_1280.png

https://twitter.com/howgilb/status/746635713215668225/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

https://twitter.com/DavidOlusoga/status/746696367628779520/photo/1

Go, pretend you can't be bothered to click 'all those links'.

And that's just a selection.

 

[consumer]

Like this?





















Go, pretend you can't be bothered to click 'all those links'.

And that's just a selection.

Thats some ugly shit right there and i come from a country where ugly shit is pretty commonplace.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

The EADD poll on this topics was also quite noteworthy, the Leave voters have at large remained quiet, not many like political conflict in person, .

First, you have the cheek to accuse me of pulling stats out of my own head when I am the only person in the last 100 posts, and one of two in the 100 posts before that to give actual links to articles which back what I am saying.

Second you speak of this EADD poll, a poll with all of 32 people voting yes or no, as being 'noteworthy' as, in your mind, it reflects the level of bullying from remain people like me. Two things about this. I switched my vote to remain at the very last minute as what I saw as an anti-fascist vote against Little Englanders. Second, EADD is not Bluelight. Have you even bothered to look around what you called 'the forum'. The forum consists of many sections. One is called Current Events and Politics. There you will find a thread with many very right wing people unafraid to spout their racist bullshit. It's a lovely place CEP. And the reason most EADD'ers don't go there is because it's populated by right wing nut jobs.

Now have your links to read again, in case you missed them first time. I'm old school here. From the days when people backed arguments with links to articles. Your dismissal of "I don't read the Mirror", when I gave you the choice of three including the International Business Times, smacks of, well, being a bit of a surly dickhead. Bit too much Scotch was it?

Enjoy your read? Post 388.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

*A compromise which WOULD have suited everyone.

Emphasis in the wrong place above.

Blame the combination of a laptop with a keyboard/mousepad haunted by gremlins, several liters of really shite booze, plus a few beers, some heavy ish adrenal suppression and most of a liter of 50-50 diethyl ether/DIPE

Me? I'm not against immigrants as such, just as long as they are decent human beings. Like most of the polish that come over here, for example, nice lot from the most of it, here or there. My chemical supplier based over there was nice enough to wish me well when she found out I'd been ill for ages.

 

[Ceres]

as I said earlier in this thread way before the vote, what happens if the right and far right and extreme right are emboldened by a leave victory and how to put the racist xenophobe bigots back in their box once you have unleashed that,.....


sadly, thats exactly what seems to be happening, as if jo cox being assassinated wasn't warning sign enough of already boiling over racist sentiment, brought about not just by the leave campaign but years of the politicians and media misdirecting the anger away from them and onto 'the other'. Poor fools that voted for a tory government which has only delivered failure after failure for everyone except their own (offshore) bank balances and futures.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

*A compromise which WOULD have suited everyone.

Emphasis in the wrong place above.

Blame the combination of a laptop with a keyboard/mousepad haunted by gremlins, several liters of really shite booze, plus a few beers, some heavy ish adrenal suppression and most of a liter of 50-50 diethyl ether/DIPE

Me? I'm not against immigrants as such, just as long as they are decent human beings. Like most of the polish that come over here, for example, nice lot from the most of it, here or there. My chemical supplier based over there was nice enough to wish me well when she found out I'd been ill for ages. Romanians on the other hand? thieves, pickpockets and organized criminals the sodding lot. Would happily, bar the poor buggers stuck in institutions and orphanages over there, do a vlad tepesh inauguration barbeque for the sodding lot of them, complete with..'steaks'....so to speak

No I'm not going to apologize for that. They are a fucking disease, and a festering abscess on the rest of the balkans. Romania is a poster-child in country form for the promotion of biological weaponry. Other than those living there that is. Who practically ARE.

It's good that the leavers are now having their say eh ABPI?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And in even more good news for Brexiteers, the first two countries to come out and support us have done so. Putin for Russia, plus the Revolutionary Council of Iran.

Their support might be a teeny bit nefarious but support is support right?

 

[ABPI_]

There is going to be dick heads from both sides, that image of the banner that you posted is from the National Front, so are the images of the images calling Polish "Vile Vermin". Though calling a man "sub-human scum", screaming threats at Boris etc, is this acceptable also? It must be, I guess as they didn't get their own way.

Are we saying 52% of the voting UK population are racist? So how come UKIP did not get a similar percentage of votes at the last general election? It does not really correlate does it, surely UKIP would have been serious contenders if this was the case.

Lets go back to posting articles now shall we, Barack Obama now going back on what he said about the UK "being back of the queue", really trustworthy politicians are they not?

Germany, USA and Canada ALL say they want special trade deals with post-Brexit Britain

It comes despite constant scaremongering from the Remain campaign in the run up to the referendum the UK would face a tough foreign deals if it quits the bloc.President Barack Obama yesterday said the UK and EU will remain "indispensable partners" of the United States following the Brexit vote.

The US leader added that the "special relationship" between the Britain and Washington will continue into the future.


It marks a backtrack for the president who previously warned the UK would be at the "back of the queue" for a trade deal in the event of Brexit.

..

Even Euro giant Germany said in a government paper it recommended making the UK an "associated partner country" following Brexit.


The World Trade Organisation also said it was prepared to help Britain after the vote to leave the bloc.


WTO director-general Roberto Azevedo said: "The WTO stands ready to work with the UK and the EU to assist them in any way we can."

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...n-trade-relations-with-Britain-outside-the-EU

 

[ABPI_]

You know its also healthy to read the news from places that you would usually not, its good to get the view from both sides from journalists, which ever side they may be on. Instead of constantly filling your brain with one sided arguments.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

OK. Bearing in mind your view that leavers were scared of being labelled as racist by people like me, let's see the top single issue reasons those who voted Brexit gave to the Lord Ashcroft poll.

People who thought the following were a force for ill

Multiculturalism 81%

Immigration 80%

Social liberalism 80%

(It gets a bit more surreal from here on)

The green movement 78%

Feminism 74%

The Internet (wtf?) 71%

Although it may be regrettable to you that poor old Boris apparently got called sub-human scum by somebody, I suspect his living conditions etc and that he basically is the dominant culture may cushion the blow just a tad compared to the Asian woman who has to get the same bus to work tomorrow to clean the offices for minimum wage. But yeah, let's give Boris a hug.

Are we saying 52% of the U.K. a population are racist? Well, I did say 99% of the 52% and yes, I do believe that if a general election were called tomorrow UKIP would be a lot closer to 52% than the 21% they got last time.

As for Obama telling lies....show me where I ever called him trustworthy? More importantly, show me the trade deal. I can wait.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

You know its also healthy to read the news from places that you would usually not, its good to get the view from both sides from journalists, which ever side they may be on. Instead of constantly filling your brain with one sided arguments.

Says the man who said "I don't read the Mirror" as a way of fudging links I'd shown him.

 

[Itsgoneundertheboa]

I'm a bit lost here. It is what it is? The vote is in the die is cast.

Procrastination of any type is pointless. Leave won. It won because of stupidity of the voter.

For me change brings opportunity and I laugh at all those poor racists bigots because they create their own demise. I voted for selfish reasons because it became apparent through all the media circus we are but a nation of selfish ignoramous who don't want to actually be educated.

I side with them because it suits me. Fuck empathy fuck equality fuck everything. No one but myself has created my success. I pay for this ignorant masses to have the life they live. This was my chance to get my own back. A lot of those that did vote won't even see the change they be in the ground, they had their chance but they still show the typical English mentality of selfishness.

I'm fed up with this mass stupidity I've been fed up for the last 20 years. I could of made fortunes of migrants. I didn't because I have my ethics and morals.

But I've had enough now. Give them what they want then watch them squirm (just as Boris et al are now doing). Work hard play hard. You voted leave now step up be counted or fuck right off.

Leave always meant a potential good or bad future. Leave requires those that voted leave to get off their arse. I want to see how they will suffer their ignorance, I very much doubt they will step up.

I of course have plan B and C. Get outs I will use as and when the shit goes down.

I'm lucky but you create your own luck in this world. I had nothing and gave my all to create something. Ive never complained about what I don't have because I went out and made it happen.

Let's see if the UK populace have any balls to address the real issue of their own laziness and reliance on others. It's time for change but change can go many ways.

 

[vecktor]

. Two things about this. I switched my vote to remain at the very last minute as what I saw as an anti-fascist vote against Little Englanders.

there is your problem, the question asked was whether the the UK should remain a member of the EU,
the question was not do you want to vote for or against the Facist little Englanders. As it used to say in exams, answer the question not what you think the question should be, could be, might be.

The right wing extreme nationalists are going to be disappointed. The job is now to develop a new direction and relationship with the EU, one that everyone can live with,

Simplistically accusing everyone who voted out of being racist is simply false, some voted out because they know history and what the subtext to the EU project is I'll let Jean Monnet fill you in

Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.

socialist nanny state paternalism at its finest

 

[bums alt]

If the leave campaign's intentions were so noble why didn't they sell it that way ?

They could have distanced themselves from farage, been honest about free movement and single market access.

But they didn't.

They made up bullshit about the NHS and fed people's anxiety about immigration.

 

[Itsgoneundertheboa]

If the leave campaign's intentions were so noble why didn't they sell it that way ?

They could have distanced themselves from farage, been honest about free movement and single market access.

But they didn't.

They made up bullshit about the NHS and fed people's anxiety about immigration.

And?

Won didn't they.

They were on the money about the typical English voter.

Hello but you didn't see the last 3 years of immigration and terrorism scares? Media are ruled by the rich. The rich want to have a place to run to when Europe can't cope. An island where they can defend there way of life. They filled us with years of propaganda then asked the good people of England want do you think..............

Peoples minds are easily won if you tell them the same thing for long enough.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And?

Won didn't they.

They were on the money about the typical English voter.

Hello but you didn't see the last 3 years of immigration and terrorism scares? Media are ruled by the rich. The rich want to have a place to run to when Europe can't cope. An island where they can defend there way of life. They filled us with years of propaganda then asked the good people of England want do you think..............

Peoples minds are easily won if you tell them the same thing for long enough.

Spot on.