I suspect corbyn is probably pro leaving the EU but is scared to back it because a. the leave campaign has been hijacked by a bunch of right wing nuts, and b. he doesnt want to be seen to be on the 'losing' side if we remain, which is the most probabal option.
What? Like Boris fucking Johnson? The stigma attached to "out" is criminal, its like being branded a UKIP supporter if you say it, or some horrific right wing nazi. Most of the remain supports I have spoken with have almost no valued argument, there is though on this forum at least people who understand what they are talking about. Neither side knows the financial implications of an in or out vote, its all guesswork at this moment. A manager who has worked within the NHS for over 35 years though has seen the crippling effects on our services who I often have deep conversations with (and he is not "british"), thats before taking into account schools and other services.
Its a big gamble to leave but its a risk worth taking, I fucking despise the media and BBC for the shit show they have given us, "lets put farage on TV, it will be great, like the last time we roasted Nick Griffin, our audience will have a field day". The tactics being employed by the Remain Campaing are deplorable. Yeah whatever, speak with dairy farmers, fisherman, working class ask them how the EU has helped them, how their businesses have been killed off by the EU. Valid points from both sides but also disgusting tactics. and the fact immigration has been used as the forefront of the Out campaign is horrible, it goes so much further than that.
Anyway
If we did leave, its not true that we would have more control over our own borders. That whole argument is just another lie by the Leave campaign. If we wanted to trade with Europe they would make us continue to accept the free movement of EU citizens just as before, and no negotiation. That point never gets made by UK politicians, its only ever mentioned by the politicians of other EU countries and the 'commentariat' to use a Corbynism.
That is a false statement though, we would make our own negotiations and would not be under any restrictions, yes Norway has a fair few negotiating deals to allow them to trade whilst being outside of the EU but Britain is the second strongest economy after Germany within the EU we have much more negotiating power, not a single EU country want us to leave. Do you remember when Cameron first got elected, flying his big british flag logo everywhere he went, trying to win over voters "I will reduce immigration to the tens of thousands", whats that now David, we are at almost 400,00, oh, you are just only slightly wide of the mark, politicians eh? No one mentions that either. If we are not in the EU then we can control our borders because we are not under EU rules of free movement, using a points based system instead of hundreds of thousands of non-skilled workers who are lowering the wage limit we can recruit far more skilled workers from outside the EU. An unskilled worker can walk into the UK currently but a qualified doctor from say the Middle East has to go through far more stringent checks before they can even enter the country.
Un-elected politicians tel ling us what to do in a country most have never visited, thats the proper way to do it eh. I will be pushing flowers in 10 years anyway, like the majority of you so who even cares? %)
