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Etizolam ran out fuck guys :(

just saying,etizolam isn't a benzo as you know and it isn't a RC

it's legally prescribed as medicine in at least a few countries including Japan iirc

just has bad effects on me
 
Wouldn't it just be better to switch to valium due to longer half life, i don't know your medical history. Doctors took pity on me due to depression and anxiety the one thing they don't want to hear is you were boshing these pills to get fked up you will get no sympathy, thats a given with these meds. If i hadn't of had issues they would of given me a torture taper

Mistake i made was underestimating the addiction potential, they just get you hooked so damn fast.
 
just saying,etizolam isn't a benzo as you know and it isn't a RC

it's legally prescribed as medicine in at least a few countries including Japan iirc

just has bad effects on me

Point noted but it's kind of academic...even though it's a a thienodiazepine.it's still a full agonist at the benzodiazepine receptor and the results of taking it and then stopping it is the same.

Your dead right it's a prescription med in some countries (but not the UK) but it's not unreasonable to lump it into the RC group for all intents and purposes.

Still a good point though :)
 
Although I have been a habitual H user for many years i have only dabbled with valium in the last 2-3 years usually 2-4 pills over a w/e but a couple of weeks ago i did 1-2 for about a week maybe 8-9 days and i definitly got some wd's from it - not massive but enough to make me realise that they are very easy to get addicted to and hard to stop, my symptoms were tiredness and flashes of being dissacociated(sp) took a week to go and i was taking 1/2 a tab every couple of days..a real wake up call for someone who ought to know better.
 
Can confirm that if you're going to get powder getting something to dissolve it in is essential, otherwise very bad things will happen. I just use glycerine bought from the supermarket, ~1mg/ml, then dose with a teaspoon. Does the trick.

And all this talk of availability, it does seem the UK vendors are running away from etiz, but I meantioned in another thread that since it's not covered by the MODA, one shouldn't have any problem sourcing it from abroad. Surely customs can't do shit. Apologies if that's source discussion but I don't see how it is.
 
Can confirm that if you're going to get powder getting something to dissolve it in is essential, otherwise very bad things will happen.

Or in my case, in spite of this, very bad things happened :D
 
All this suggests to me that a ban is on the horizon sooner rather than later. Which is a scary prospect, because Etizolam has such potential for actual physical dependency. People are going to get hurt, if and when it suddenly becomes unavailable.

Call me paranoid, but I really think the most sensible thing for anyone to do who has managed to acquire an Etizolam habit would be to plan themself a taper programme ASAP -- look up the Ashton method for the idea. Note that towards the end, you will be dealing with very, very tiny doses.
 
I would recommend anyone trying an etiz taper to switch to diclazepam for the longer half life, which should make things easier as the doses get lower and lower. Diazepam would be even better but that probably wont be so easy to source for many people.

I'm not sure if it makes any difference at what stage you make the switch, but i spose if you still have etiz and its still working for you, you might as well use your etiz, but acquire some diclaz for later on whilst it's still available too.
 
MDB that's (diclaz) exactly what I'v been thinking, or maybe head down down the NHS drug people (eurgh, take my dignity please) and see if they'll give me a free taper.
 
I would recommend anyone trying an etiz taper to switch to diclazepam for the longer half life, which should make things easier as the doses get lower and lower. Diazepam would be even better but that probably wont be so easy to source for many people.

I'm not sure if it makes any difference at what stage you make the switch, but i spose if you still have etiz and its still working for you, you might as well use your etiz, but acquire some diclaz for later on whilst it's still available too.

Can I confirm - you're recommending Diclazepam?

How much and how often?

My usual supplier has stopped etiz but did offer 1mg or 2mg pellets. The diclazepan is White with a top score. I'm not awfully taken on with them, on makes me sleep and sleep :\

Don't want to be moving on from some fucker hookie benzo to the other with little idea how to get off without insomnia, rattles and depression :| Any ideas troop?

I died a little death when my xanaz supplier dried up :(...pity me :\
 
Can I confirm - you're recommending Diclazepam?

How much and how often?

My usual supplier has stopped etiz but did offer 1mg or 2mg pellets. The diclazepan is White with a top score. I'm not awfully taken on with them, on makes me sleep and sleep :\

Don't want to be moving on from some fucker hookie benzo to the other with little idea how to get off without insomnia, rattles and depression :| Any ideas troop?

I died a little death when my xanaz supplier dried up :(...pity me :\

You really should just get off of all of it. It is nothing but a crutch and only masks your true emotional inadequacies and problems. I cant wait till they ban all these RC benzos as the OP is in a dangerous situation and should seek real medical advice and not just another source to some rubbish narcotic made in a clandestine lab or worse yet India. I say this with much experience get off the benzos guys they are the answer to nothing and 99.9% of people do not actually need them.
 
You really should just get off of all of it. It is nothing but a crutch and only masks your true emotional inadequacies and problems. I cant wait till they ban all these RC benzos as the OP is in a dangerous situation and should seek real medical advice and not just another source to some rubbish narcotic made in a clandestine lab or worse yet India. I say this with much experience get off the benzos guys they are the answer to nothing and 99.9% of people do not actually need them.

I agree Droppersneck thank you for your considered post. Thankfully I'm not tied or addicted to any of them. I deal with my issues in the usual way - by rationalisation and problem solving, bit of meditation thrown in etc.

However, I still like to keep my hand in and play around recreationally and specifically use them to come down off stimmy things to sleep. I certainly don't need them - but I do like to be informed and know what's new and up and coming out there.
 
Can I confirm - you're recommending Diclazepam?

How much and how often?

My usual supplier has stopped etiz but did offer 1mg or 2mg pellets. The diclazepan is White with a top score. I'm not awfully taken on with them, on makes me sleep and sleep :\

Don't want to be moving on from some fucker hookie benzo to the other with little idea how to get off without insomnia, rattles and depression :| Any ideas troop?

I died a little death when my xanaz supplier dried up :(...pity me :\

Yes it appears to be a good substitute especially with the very long half life. As I'm tapering i cant really feel the ever reducing doses, but i suppose that was always going to be an inevitable part of tapering whilst 'one' gradually gets 'acclimitatised' to the lower dose. I'm managing to get to sleep ok, and im down to 4mg, which im absolutely over the moon about. Gonnna try to reduce by 1/4 of a pill every week or however long it takes to feel comfortable on the next dose reduction.

I fluked my way down to 4mg, it wasnt even consciously planned, but it seems that when i made a huge 2g batch of etiz, and didnt have a big enough storage vessel for 1 litre of PG, i had to split the mixture into 2 conatiners. The first container was fine, and lasted a few months, but by the time i got onto the second one it seems that the etiz had 'settled out' of the mixture, and i was just siphoning off the more dilute top layers. If i had knowingly reduced my dose by about 5-8mg im sure my mind would have played tricks on me, and ive had made fucking hard work of it, imagining all osrts of increased anxiety, paranoia, and insomnia when there hasnt been a bit of any of it. I dare say the last leg will be the hardest regardless, i cant see myself fluking my way down to zero, unless the benzo fairies come in at night and gradually dilute my mixtures.

Sorry if you've heard all this already, im sure i posted it somewhere else, (but i havent hardly been on BL atall for the last couple of weeks, so ive lost track of what ive posted and who's responded) but im just so pleased to have finally got a handle on the stuff again and got my dose down to far less extreme lunatic measures. I just couldnt seem to ever get properly started on the last part of the taper, although i had gradually reduced down from 50mg, to 35, to 25, and then when i got down to 13mg i seemed to stay absoltely stuck fast on that dose for a very long time.

Apparently diclaz is meant to be roughly the same strength as etiz, there's really not much in it, perhaps 1mg of etiz = 1.5 diclazepam in terms of strength of its modes of action according to Dr Ashton on the Wiki chart. It appears to be relatively clear headed, especially compared to flubro, and compared to my oversized etiz doses. I dunno how diclaz comapres to xanax, it may well be higher on the hypnotic stakes, though individual physiology plays an enormous part, according to that wiki article i read. I must admit that i do find it exteremy difficult to wake up and get out of bed in the mornings, even after 7 or 8 hours sleep. I take 4mg about an hour before bedtime. Just that one dose per day.

Aplogies for the unusually long winded post, i had some speed last night, and i thought that it didnt seem to be very strong atall, so i took loads, and although the effects were far more subtle that im used to with speed, the stuff hasnt half got legs. Havent slept since Friday night, and just a tiny sublingual pinch this morning has seen me coast through today. I just hope that i can sleep tonight, it cant last THAT long surely.

It's very strange that it suddenly feels like good luck seems to be on my side, especially regarding getting down to 4mg of etiz/diclaz without even being aware i was doing so, it's about bloody time i had a few lucky breaks though i reckon, and i really consider myself extremely fortunate to have completely effortlessly and unknowingly reduced down to a semi-sane dose. Although obviosuly it wouldn't be ethical for medics and drug treatement services to gradually reduce a patients dose without their consent or knowledge, it seems to be a grand way of getting round all the 'stress and trauma and ordeal' that i probably would have made of it all, being a wimpy hypochodriac and all.

Right I'll have to stop typing now or people will start to think I've become Limpet Chicken.8(
 
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Nice one MDB! your right about the fact that if you had known how much your dose had dropped your brain would manifest more symptoms which is why being able to listen to your body is crucial with a benzo taper. I found it all to easy to lie to myself about why I couldnt reduce my dose at times but I desperately wanted off benzos so I kept going and the successful reductions where good motivation to keep on the right track. Fair enough il still dabble here and there but im not tied to them anymore which is great! Good luck with the rest of your taper, it will be difficult but its 100% doable :D
 
My doctor was like this "on a low amount 90 percent of the addiction is in the mind" he was completely right. You have to take that mindset to finally bite the bullet and stop or you never will.
 
Cheers HF! :D and yes DS of course you're right. As ive virtually been gifted a 75% dose reduction (that part was probably the easy part) there's absolutely no excuse or reason for me not to try to reduce further now. Tbh before it all felt a little overwhelming, kind of 'ive got such a long road back to get off them'.
 
I agree Droppersneck thank you for your considered post. Thankfully I'm not tied or addicted to any of them. I deal with my issues in the usual way - by rationalisation and problem solving, bit of meditation thrown in etc.

However, I still like to keep my hand in and play around recreationally and specifically use them to come down off stimmy things to sleep. I certainly don't need them - but I do like to be informed and know what's new and up and coming out there.

It's all rubbish just man up and come off the stims with exercise and a proper diet. Those two things are better than any benzo will ever be.
 
find a proper recovery program where they understand, and see if you can temporarily switch to a (long acting) benzo that is known to be prescribed in the uk.

I don't live in the uk but I have been to a clinic for 8 weeks to taper off benzo's after a year. I took it medicinally and fought tolerance as hard as I could, tried tapering and quitting at home as well but it was killing.
What confronted me was the realization that to keep doing it is not really an option, so even the possible protracted withdrawal syndrome is better as it is for a good cause.
Now it's like 3 years ago for me and I am able to keep my benzo use sporadically, I have an alternative to needing to self-medicate with it like I used to. Kicking it was a bitch (I got diazepam there before I went off it carefully, before I used up to 15 different types depending on the type of effect I required), but pulling through after that was probably even more important / critical.

Good luck, it will probably be a bitch but sooner or later it is better to do this. Find help, look a little further if your first line consists of retarded people. You can do this. :):(
 
I'd agree with solipsis. Ask your GP to refer you to a drug treatment service and get on a proper script. Or you can self refer if you know where go but you're gp will still be informed of any meds you are prescribed.
 
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