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Ethylphenidate Discussion Thread

I find the ethyl found in aus really bad for my nose. It leads to bleeding pretty quickly and leaves my nose sore for up to a week. I tested sublingual and that left a burnt area under my tongue. The stuff seems pretty corrosive (not sure that's the right word)
 
^ From the pH range 0 to 9, ethylphenidate maintains a quaternary nitrogen on the piperidine-like ring. This gives the molecule slightly acidic properties and this is probably what causes the pain during intranasal or sublingual administration. When I receive some more sample, I might try mixing a small amount of a basic substance with it (e.g. sucrose) and seeing if this affects the amount of burn.

Otherwise, other administration methods of the substance may be a better choice; oral, rectal or IV.
 
Professional opinion: Good fucking shit.

also, 200mg seems to be my limit for a single dose but 70-120mg seems to do most people just fine... good enough to pass off as an amphetamine :o not that I would but people were saying...


Edit - 70-120mg could be much too much for some people. I don't recommended anyone try this much on their first go. Start off with a 10-20mg bump to see how it feels first - you can always take more next time :) Foots.


Retort 2 foots: d-Ethylphenidate starts acting like d-methylphenidate @ 10mg/kg, so if u weigh 60kg, then u need 60mg for d-ethyphen. to start acting like d-methylphen. Id put my own life on the line that 50-60mg is a safe dose for any healthy human being. I actually suspect that product I got was completely dextro... vendor is still waiting for an answer from his labs. -thats assuming ur product is aprox. 90-99.8 purity- altho I havent seen the spectrograph of the current product Im getting.
 
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^ From the pH range 0 to 9, ethylphenidate maintains a quaternary nitrogen on the piperidine-like ring. This gives the molecule slightly acidic properties and this is probably what causes the pain during intranasal or sublingual administration. When I receive some more sample, I might try mixing a small amount of a basic substance with it (e.g. sucrose) and seeing if this affects the amount of burn.

Otherwise, other administration methods of the substance may be a better choice; oral, rectal or IV.

IV route works fyi and yes @ 100-200mg with .5ml of water it is vilely bitter...
 
Thanks for the info mr blonde. I cannot use this stuff any way but oral dosing now. Even very moderate nasal use (under 100mg) leaves me blowing out pink jelly junk otu of my nose. Won't try that again
 
I've been using EP twice a week on average (around 200 - 300mg per sitting) for the last month and noticing the effects on the heart more and more. Even into the next day i can feel my heart beating hard.

Also, does anyone else find that redosing is rather ineffective? I find that I get a couple of hours of enjoyment out of it, and then fairly suddenly the experience 'turns' and no matter how much I do after that the only effect I seem to notice is getting more scattered and my heart beating harder.
 
I've abused a lot of methylphenidate. Was the first drug i ever jumped on. When i was younger i worked with a chick who had been hoarding her ritalin for years. Wont go into quantaties but it was a lot to go through. Lately i've been monging down 3 54mg concerta a day. I mostly enjoy the high i get from them, except for the comeup and the comedown, which i get anxious and stupidly jittery on. I find they do semi-retard me for a couple of hours, but i can still go on with daily crap.

played around with a few ethylphenidate doses, and found it to be much less jittery. Still sort of the same high, but i never really got idiosyncrasy kind of effect that ritalin gives me. If i had ADD i'd much rather this over methylphenidate. Definetly will be trying to get more of it. Not really a 'party' drug, but goes down well with a couple of beers on a warm afternoon
 
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I've been using EP twice a week on average (around 200 - 300mg per sitting) for the last month and noticing the effects on the heart more and more. Even into the next day i can feel my heart beating hard.

Also, does anyone else find that redosing is rather ineffective? I find that I get a couple of hours of enjoyment out of it, and then fairly suddenly the experience 'turns' and no matter how much I do after that the only effect I seem to notice is getting more scattered and my heart beating harder.

I did about 600mg in a single day, first 100mg, 2nd 100mg, 3rd 200mg and 4th 200mg... the best hit out of those 4 doses was the 3rd one :) and yes it kinda feels like ur heart is beating hard and that not always because ur bp/pulerate is high... I get an uncomfortable feeling in my chest from not eating while on stimulants... I actually hooked myself up to a pulse rate sensor just because I started to get a bit worried, it wasn't my heart.
 
^ Often pain in the chest after using stims (or even when you're anxious) is due to your chest muscles getting tired. When you're stimulated you tend to breathe faster so your muscles get worn out. It's better to try and breath from your abdomen, rather than your chest (when you breath, make sure your tummy is going in and out, rather than your chest/shoulders moving). You get more oxygen in a more efficient way breathing from your tummy, and it also reduces anxiety or 'flight or fight' sumptoms :)
 
Could you expand on that comment? I'm just not exactly sure what you mean by it. I assume you are talking about the fact that domestic parcels are not subjected to the same scrutiny as those coming in from overseas.

Strange that people are getting varied effects from use of this substance. Those experiencing numbing, well I'd say that there has been some sort of anesthetic added perhaps to make it seem more like 'cocaine', because ethylphenidate certainly does not cause that. I've been using pure ethylphenidate, and have not experienced any of the physical side effects people have talked about, though the longest binge I've been on has been 12 hour stretches and always with a soft pillow to land on if you know what I mean. Without that soft pillow I can find myself feeling somewhat cracked out, but no where near the level I did with MDPV.

To each their own though I suppose.

I was refering to the federal/state police being able to see the contents of any package that has passed through customs.

I cant remember where I read it but ethylphenidate in hcl crystal form has a acidic ph as opposed to a lot of other hcl cyrstal drugs that are alkaline once added to water to measure ph.- this is how u get ur injection safe by ph.
 
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^Thanks for the info Footscrazy. I tried EP again a couple of days after reading your that post and had a much better experience. I was careful to monitor my breathing and make sure to take big deep breaths when I felt my breath becoming rapid and shallow. It really helped reduced the chest tension. I also employed some advice from another thread on here (about managing meth comedowns) and forced myself to eat throughout the day. Drank lots of water too. All in all I would say it was the best experience I've had with EP. Today is also a good experience. Good and last one for the time being, as this is the last of my batch.

Actually, I was thinking of writing some basic HR info just based on my experience as a newcomer to stims (I'm an opiate and psychedelics guy for the most part, but am open to whatever). I don't want to come off sounding like a douche who has done a small amount of something and thinks he's an expert. I just thought my experience might be useful to people you are interested in trying stims, or who have tried it with mixed results. it has taken me a few turns to really enjoy this stim, which is often the case with new things - especially when there are years worth of expectation involved, with people raving about it and the ecstasy (these puns and all others herein are intended) of it. This is just common HR info, from my personal perspective. Hopefully it's useful to others.

As well as watching your breathing (slow it down and take big breaths every now and then) and eating/drinking, another thing that seems to make a big difference (all the difference for me, in fact) is taking the majority of the total dose orally, and then insufflating small amounts regularly. This is just my experience, and just with EP, however. This created a much smoother experience overall and gave a much more enjoyable quality to it. Previously I had just insufflated it all in even amounts over semi-regular intervals (ie. 300/400mg in roughly 50mg (scales not too accurate) lines over two-three hours); those times I found it to be jittery, fun only for a short time, mildly anxiety making, and also to feature quite a sudden 'turnaround' of effects which led to some unpleasant comedowns with follow up heavy consumption of opiates (twice my usual dose and once or twice with some temazepam, which didn't add much;)). That was a real waste of sedatives, because there wasn't enjoyable synchronicity between the EP and others, the opiates just took the horrible edge off the jitters and made eating/sleeping possible. Also, I would usually notice if I had taken some benzo (even a low powered one like temaz) with my opiates, as it brings a slightly different quality to the stone, but with this is was all just murky and blank rather than enjoyable. The EP just swallowed up what I poured in to bring me down, even with pretty small amounts of EP (with half-gram sessions it was quite bad with too much wastage which i later regretted, despite it being necessary for comfort/sanity).

Many/most of the side effects i got are standard stimulant side-effects, but here are some things which stood out for me - novel, if not unexpected, for those out there who aren't experienced and possibly interested in trying EP or other stimulants:

-very dry mouth and had to piss a lot due to extra consumption of liquids.

-slight shaking of the hands. This was noticeable to others.

-i experienced a lot of jaw tension, far more than the other people i was with in different sessions. It actually got quite uncomfortable and i had to be conscious of my teeth grinding and chomping. I chewed up an ice-cream stick in no time and also bit my knuckles enough to leave marks. This was the strongest side effect for me, and was apparent every time I used EP.

-trouble sleeping. not too bad but still noticable, even after taking opiates (to which i am habituated, however). Insufflation caused the worst insomnia for me.

-compulsive grabbing of my chin and jaw. Not just playing around with my beard, but grabbing and holding the lower half of my face. The moment I stopped concentrating on this oddity, i would find that my hand went back to my face. I do fidget a bit normally, but nowhere that much and not in that way. I must have spent hours in total with my hand strangely affixed to my jaw. Would've looked pretty strange. At least my hand wasn't going to my crotch. That could've been awkward and dangerous in public.

-mild sweating

-loss of appetite. Still able to eat when I tried, but had to make myself. Not as bad as I expected it to be when i finally ate, more that i wasn't interested in food, even when my stomach was rumbling and i felt kind of hungry. Time slipped by without anything, and of course my body didn't appreciate it because I usually eat healthily and a lot.

-compulsive redosing. One of the more serious effects. Only when insufflated, and mostly when i used it regularly (back to back days, or every few days). Even when I wasn't enjoying it and wanted to come down, I would find myself doing a bit more. Even late at night when I knew I wasn't going to be able to sleep. Even with no reason whatsoever, against all logic and reason (tired, cranky - haha, more puns - , jittery), I would do another line. I couldn't even explain to myself why, it was entirely automatic, like I was separated from my actions and on auto-pilot. Given that many other people on here don't seem to have much issue with EP being overly moreish, I guess that i'm probably not cut out for more powerful stimulants like MDPV or meth. Anyone else find it hard to stop a session? Or resist having "just a little bit which always turns into another session" after work? I never once used one or two lines and then stopped. It was always a session bigger than i had planned.

-increase in heart activity. I didn't say 'heart rate' because I never actually measured it. But there was definitely, without question, a big increase in heart beat intensity. My partner noticed it on a couple of occasions when we were lying down and her arm was across my chest. she asked what was wrong and why my heart was pounding - and she didn't know i had taken anything. Even the day after the heart pounding was still there. I do have high blood pressure, but it's too late low range to have been put on anything for it as of yet. I'm generally pretty healthy and in good shape, but i'm also getting older (not much, just early thirties) so not as resilient as i once was. I'm aware of my heart beat when I use stims, coffee, energy drinks, yohimbe, etc. It often gets heavier, but not as much as with EP. Not much I can do but be aware and take things slow (kind of an oxymoron with stimulant use, no?)

-extreme wordiness;) (guess what fueled this post! Unfortunately also my last bit of EP. I don't think I'll ever see the other bit i ordered, like many others. Wasn't much, though). Texted, spoke, written - all are good when you suddenly have a lot to say! This is the opposite of my usual state: man of few words. The strong silent type (who actually isn't strong, but sometimes people assume so because i don't say much and they just invent their own mental image of my personality). Loner type dude yo (but hopefully not an overly selfish one).

OK, better wrap this essay up. This essay which I've been writing on and off for the last four hours, while also sending texts and running around in the garden. Gotta keep busy! Now that's a novel experience for someone who is generally sedated, or just lethargic by nature. Brilliant contrast=D

In summary and in order of importance: for those new to ethylphenidate or stimulants substances in general (such as myself) here are some reiterated points;

-be sure to take your usage slow at first, especially if you're new to the substance (or even batch), and especially if you have blood pressure/heart rate issues. Having a pounding and /or racing heart can feel really awful and lead to panic-attacks and anxiety. Being overstimulated isn't fun. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing, for sure - and the line between fun and horrible isn't especially large.

-force yourself to eat something if you are going for long stretches of use, stay hydrated even if you don't feel thirsty (go easy on energy drinks or coffee though), it will ease the comedown and recovery time thereafter. It has made such a difference to the quality of my EP sessions, particularly in the later stages when the good feelings start wearing off and the irritability and restlessness creeps in. Without food and water, one gets cranky and dizzy at best, and feels completely fucked at worst with headache, paranoia, dysphoria.

- be aware of any compulsive behaviours that might be annoying or dangerous to yourself or others. Picking of skin, pulling of hair (one's own, i mean;)), fiddling with things (especially if the 'things' are in your pants are you're in public). There's no need to fight against something that's innocuous, like playing with ones beard, but something other things, like jaw grinding, can cause some serious damage.

OK seriously I have to stop writing this now. I'm gonna write some emails or something.

Thanks for reading:)
 
^ Awesome detailed post Halif.

I also found most of the symptoms you've described, though most of them were common to meth and other stimulants for me too.

I noticed the 'increase in heart activity' too - even more so than most other stims (except mdpv). I also got the really strong heart beat too, but it felt like only some beats would be really strong. When I tried smoking it (dumb, and not recommended :/) when it kicked in my heart did one massive thump then stopped for longer than usual, then went fast again.

Halif said:
Being overstimulated isn't fun. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing, for sure - and the line between fun and horrible isn't especially large.

I've found this on EP especially. Whereas meth can make you jittery, I've actually found that's usually on the come-up, and if you do enough it's actually quite a smooth, calm, and mellow high. With EP on the other hand, the negative physical effects just seem to increase the more you do, and like you said, there's such a fine line between being just right or too stimmed. Actually I never found any 'just right' amount and EP always gave me unberable stimmy physical effects, which is why I've given up on it.

I've experienced the compulsive redosing on ep though prob not as bad as on meth. It's crazy though, I'll be lying in bed trying to sleep, feeling generally pretty stimmed out and scattered, and somehow I can convince myself that doing a bit more will help calm me down and sleep.

I can also relate to the 'compulsive grabbing of my chin and jaw.' - I bite my lips instead, and I find it almost impossible to stop! Always end up with sore, torn up lips and cheeks after a session on EP/other stims.

Halif said:
-be sure to take your usage slow at first, especially if you're new to the substance (or even batch), and especially if you have blood pressure/heart rate issues. Having a pounding and /or racing heart can feel really awful and lead to panic-attacks and anxiety. Being overstimulated isn't fun. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing, for sure - and the line between fun and horrible isn't especially large.

Requoted this for emphasis. Very important advice.
 
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It's really interesting to hear the comparisons between EP and meth (or any other stims) because, as I mentioned, I just have experience with EP in regards to stims, so am not sure what is par for the course. Interesting to hear that you found the physical effects strong and unpleasant enough to put you off the substance. I know from reading your posts, Footscrazy, that you had a lot of experience with meth, and I had assumed that the effects of EP (both good and bad) would be comparatively mild. But as always it comes down to individual body chemistry, purity of batch, a million other variables, etc etc, so I'd be better off just not making assumptions.

I have always been scared of stims because of the dreaded crash. I seem to be quite sensitive to drugs' side effects. When other friends and I have used something (whatever) together, they would usually pull up better than I would the following day or at the tail end of the session. I am prone to depressive episodes, whether I use drugs or not, and most substances will make those episodes worse.

So I treaded very cautiously with my journey into the world of stimulants. At least in the case of EP, it seems that careful usage was enjoyable, and while I'm not about to rush out (puns again) and consume every stim I can get my hands on, it's good to know that I can occasionally indulge in something that's quite novel for me without excessively unpleasant comedowns.
 
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