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Ethylphenidate Discussion Thread

Good to hear that you can iv ethylphenidate, I noticed people were saying it had good water solubility...

If I had say 200-300mg of pure ethylphenidate, could one absorb that into .4ml of water? -What sort of inflation in volume are we talking?
Ill be investing in a decent amount shortly so Ill probably know within the fortnight myself.
 
Christ! That IV experience sounds good, methylphenidate is meant to be good so I'm not surprised by this.
People were saying that methylphenidate doesnt have the best water solubility but I had no problems with 40mg Ritalin XR caps... just one of those, properly grinded, would absorb into 2ml of water no problems, u can even add a bit of heat on the last wash as its melting point is pretty high.

Im interested in how similar ethylphenidate is compared methylphenidate in its water solubility and how spicey it is to x amount of water...
 
Hey Hajime, any reason you want to get so much in .4mLs of solution? 200-300mg is quite a lot for one shot, I had my first little line at 11.15am and although I did let myself come down after the above mentioned redose in the afternoon I got back on it tonight and I wouldn't have gotten through any more than 200mg, not saying I have been high as hell this whole time but it ain't too shy of 12 hours right now. Maybe I misinterpreted your post but 2-300mg is WAY too high a dose for a shot.

I would be surprised if the ethylphenidate I recieved didn't have good water solubility but I can't really comment definitively as I never tried to get any in solution.
 
just interested in how soluble it is... 200-300mg probably is getting towards dangerous but I guess it depends if its dl-ethylphenidate or just d-ethylphenidate.

But too compare I can do 300mg of methamphetamine @ a ~1/4cut: thats at least 50-80mg of methamphetamine... Im not trying to sound like some sort of fiend here but I dont think 200mg of ethylphenidate will drop me...

thats not to say the first thing Im doing is loading up 200mg as the first taste.... that would be dumb...
 
Hajime just a quick question if you taste the product is there any numbness? If so it's cut with benzocaine and check my prior post re: cutting agents caffeine/ benzocaine. I'd probably keep it at 100mg. If you need more than this in one dose your product is cut maybe a bit more than some? Amphet and MPH are different drugs. 50 mg pure meth (ie GK&S pharmaceutical) can be a fatal dose for a 1st timer so you must have a bit of experience with this substance LOL. If you get chest pain, palpitations etc from the EP have some benzo's this should help a bit. Have a taste of the gear to check for any numbness. Benzocaine toxicity is some nasty stuff. Also if your nails go blue good chance benzocaine. Have a heap of vit C as this will help benzocaine toxicity. Hope this helps. I have had product that made my mouth numb. First lot was fine no numbness, 2nd was noticable so just a heads up.
 
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Is it common for this shit to be sold cut with benzocaine? My shit doesn't cause any numbness so presumably isn't adulterated with that crap. When I started seeing a few obvious RC cocaine substitutes on the market that were unspecific in their contents I did peg ethylphenidate as a likely ingredient (whether sole active or one of numerous) but it seems odd to me they would actually add a numbing agent when selling it as ethylphenidate.
 
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50 mg pure meth is a fatal dose for a 1st timer so you must have a bit of experience with this substance LOL.

I'd have to disagree with this too. It takes a lot of meth to OD on its toxicity alone (something like 30 grams for an average size person) though you'd prob cark it from cardiovascular effects before that. It'd take more than 50mg to kill someone though, even if banged, unless they had an underlying heart condition or something (REFERENCE - Headdah's expertises ;)) - even then, you'd have to be unlucky to die from 50mg IMO.
 
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lol @ 50mg pure meth as fatal dosage for first time user.

Unless u got some papers to back that statement up.

I suggest YOU eat it back YO

cuz no way in hell is 50mg pure fatal for first time user. maybe 500mg pure. even that i'd say depends on ROA. yes if 500mg Banng'd up straight up in one shot maybe. if smoked eaten racked etc. i'd say the end user get real real high. thats about it. to cause a fatality i HIGHLY doubt it :)
 
Got any references on that?

EDIT: Also, I use once a week.

I've always thought the LD50 rates of amphetamines were kind of tricky to figure out, the amounts I see mentioned on a mg/per kg basis always seem kind of astronomical. I'm not sure if he'll be able to find a reference although I remember reading something like "fatal doses for children 200mg fatal dose for adults 1g" - but I can't remember what route of admin. that was and I don't think it was from a reliable source.

just interested in how soluble it is... 200-300mg probably is getting towards dangerous but I guess it depends if its dl-ethylphenidate or just d-ethylphenidate.

But too compare I can do 300mg of methamphetamine @ a ~1/4cut: thats at least 50-80mg of methamphetamine... Im not trying to sound like some sort of fiend here but I dont think 200mg of ethylphenidate will drop me...

It's tricky to know how cut your meth is, even if you wash it there could be something that gets past the simple methods we use.

300mg of street meth IV isn't uncommon but it's really hard to compare it to Ethyl at this stage.

thats not to say the first thing Im doing is loading up 200mg as the first taste.... that would be dumb...

Well that's a relief :) If you ask something like how much can you dissolve in .4ml of water people start to get a bit worried. I don't think you'll have any problems with solubility if you get it from a decent source, and don't try crazy doses.

People were saying that methylphenidate doesnt have the best water solubility but I had no problems with 40mg Ritalin XR caps... just one of those, properly grinded, would absorb into .4ml of water no problems, u can even add a bit of heat on the last wash as its melting point is pretty high.

Im interested in how similar ethylphenidate is compared methylphenidate in its water solubility and how spicey it is to x amount of water...

Comparing a ritalin xr cap to ethylpheniadate powder/crystal is like apples and chimpanzees. A ritalin xr has heaps of fillers and binders as well as the extended release matrix as I'm sure you know. 50mg is a pretty small amount of material...but I'm pretty sure you realize this. Use scales if you can.

Just be careful dude this is still a relatively unknown substance compared to methamp. and methylphenidate.
 
My mate that I spoke about before just let me know that he shared half a gram with 4 people last night, all of them IV'd. Described it as a typical meth night, but doesn't last as long and doesn't leave you as scattered afterwards.

Pretty much the same as before. No ill effects, at the doses they did.

Hajime - I'll have to ask how much water was used, and how 'spicy' it was :)
 
so it feels more like meth than coke ?

AFAIK the guy I'm talking about has no real experience with IV coke. It may be more similar to coke, but meth is the closest thing he's able to compare it to.

I've only snorted it but the closest thing I can compare it to is Ritalin (methylphenidate)
 
I've always thought the LD50 rates of amphetamines were kind of tricky to figure out, the amounts I see mentioned on a mg/per kg basis always seem kind of astronomical. I'm not sure if he'll be able to find a reference although I remember reading something like "fatal doses for children 200mg fatal dose for adults 1g" - but I can't remember what route of admin. that was and I don't think it was from a reliable source.



It's tricky to know how cut your meth is, even if you wash it there could be something that gets past the simple methods we use.

300mg of street meth IV isn't uncommon but it's really hard to compare it to Ethyl at this stage.



Well that's a relief :) If you ask something like how much can you dissolve in .4ml of water people start to get a bit worried. I don't think you'll have any problems with solubility if you get it from a decent source, and don't try crazy doses.



Comparing a ritalin xr cap to ethylpheniadate powder/crystal is like apples and chimpanzees. A ritalin xr has heaps of fillers and binders as well as the extended release matrix as I'm sure you know. 50mg is a pretty small amount of material...but I'm pretty sure you realize this. Use scales if you can.

Just be careful dude this is still a relatively unknown substance compared to methamp. and methylphenidate.[/QUOTE
Yeah thanks that was the point i was trying to make. IMO the EP I have has some topical anesthetic properties. Perhaps I should have said 50mg meth 1st time CAN cause fatality. Plenty of research out there to support this. even good old pubmed has some relevant info. The issue is quality ie 50mg methamphet synthesised in a lab for Merc pharma is going to be considerably different to your average street meth.
 
Fuck yes I do! and It's pharma grade not street corner shit researched and published in scientific journals. Pubmed should be a good start for you and go from there. It CAN cause some nasty effects long before it becomes toxic to your hepatic/renal function and would be entirely cardio-pulmonary. I am going from memory here so I think the trial used rodents to establish the likely adverse events attributable to meth. I can't be bothered at this point so research it all yourself and enjoy!!!!
 
I've always thought the LD50 rates of amphetamines were kind of tricky to figure out, the amounts I see mentioned on a mg/per kg basis always seem kind of astronomical. I'm not sure if he'll be able to find a reference although I remember reading something like "fatal doses for children 200mg fatal dose for adults 1g" - but I can't remember what route of admin. that was and I don't think it was from a reliable source.

Just to reference, a sweet spot dose of MDMA (a very close methamphetamine analogue) is about 80-120 depending on a few factors. Also, Iv actually seen some1 bang 1/2g of glowing pink/orange dexamphetamine and it dropped him to the floor like a bag of shit, we nearly called the ambulance. Took him 40mins to get himself off the floor and then he proceeded to vomit his guts up all night. His reasoning was I can do 1/2gram of the wizz I normally get.
Id say the purity was sitting at 60% or higher, 2points would be uncomfortable on the chest. You could actually feel ur viens constrict as ur pulse vibrated through the syringe after clearing the barrel.

It's tricky to know how cut your meth is, even if you wash it there could be something that gets past the simple methods we use.

300mg of street meth IV isn't uncommon but it's really hard to compare it to Ethyl at this stage.
Your right it is very hard to know for sure and Im normally going by my gut feeling but I am actually told the stuff lately is a 1/4 cut.

Comparing a ritalin xr cap to ethylpheniadate powder/crystal is like apples and chimpanzees. A ritalin xr has heaps of fillers and binders as well as the extended release matrix as I'm sure you know. 50mg is a pretty small amount of material...but I'm pretty sure you realize this. Use scales if you can.

Just be careful dude this is still a relatively unknown substance compared to methamp. and methylphenidate.

To reference on the 40mg xr caps I was doing, they are 50% instant release 50% slow release. They are capsules filled with spherical beads and the slow release portion was an absolute c-bomb to crush properly. Also I ran them through a pill filter. Imo, dl-methylphenidate is like methamphetamine for euphoria but imo @ a moderate dosage it has less of a speedy edge. I liked that about ritalin, it wasnt like a punch in guts and a slap in the face, its quite smooth and subtle but very strong at the same (in terms of euphoria). Your euphoria plateau is about 4hrs till it tapers which isnt as good as meth for length of effect. Also the speedy edge @ high doses ritalin becomes a lot more obvious.

You are quite right that ethylphenidate is a reasonably unresearched chemical and even if its a metabolite produced in the presence of alcohol doesnt make it safe...

Im guessing the alcohol affects its conversion at the receptor sites... I was thinking that switching the methyl for an ethyl group would make the chemical lighter in terms of how much crystal it takes to saturate x amount of water. Its only speculation until one actually become familiar with it.

also, on a related tangent: Despite what the authorities must think about places like this, its probably the best way of establishing/disseminating observations and harm reduction advice on research chemicals.
 
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so it feels more like meth than coke ?
Im thinking that coke and meth are pretty 1:1 in terms of euphoria to speedy edge. I'm thinking the only really noticeable difference is the length of activity.

EDIT: I have this feeling that cocaine might have better dopaminergic to adrenergic activity than meth per mg but Im fairly sure, higher doses of meth will be indistinguishably from higher doses of coke disregarding how long it lasts.
 
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