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Enlightenment

I don't think this thread would have gone very far with just me and a few people arguing. People aren't very likely to even believe there is such a thing. They haven't really studied anything, maybe they should consider it.
 
"Our task is to bring the spirit down to earth. This is why you must use your meditations and prayers to beg for this light and visualize it, visualize this spirit, this divine force, descending into you and impregnating every cell of your being. One day, when you have worked at this over the years, you will sense that heaven is within you, that light is within you, that love is within you. When this day comes you will find that it is much easier to help other people and awaken them to this reality. But if, through a false understanding of spirituality, you remain barren—a blank page—you will be no good to anyone. The spirit must be allowed to descend!"

- Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov
 
Seeking guru for enlightenment .....

Please Help .

Must have it NOW.

Lmao

You humans and your games ?


I felt a huge change when I stopped trying to understand and intellectualize and was just "Living it" , "Being it"

No words needed


With enlightenment it seems most ppl miss the forest for the trees

Oh well might as well keep playing with ourselves ....


Also you cannot even obtain stage 1 of enlightenment unless you've mastermedibated (masterbate + meditate) for a minimum of 50 years FYI
 
For me, the ever increasing syncronisitiys in my life shows me I am on the right path. When one becomes "enlightened" life is just one big syncronisitiy I think. Why care about any outcome of any action when you fully trust that what EVER happens for eternity and forever with be love love love and bliss bliss bliss
 
True, happiness becomes self-derived, but people have no faith in that this can happen.
 
What is the actual physical process behind enlightenment?

I assume that since the people in this thread are talking about it like it's a given, then there would be something in reality which shows it occurring like scans or resonance imaging.

Is there any objective basis for it, or is it all subjective speculation/a delusion?
 
David Hawkins writes some about the physical changes. He says the body starts to produce more endorphins and less stress hormones. Big changes in the nervous system, new pathways in the brain, etc.

But of course this isn't part of official culture, if you only believe what is "approved" that way.
 
cire113 said:
Seeking guru for enlightenment .....

Also you cannot even obtain stage 1 of enlightenment unless you've mastermedibated (masterbate + meditate) for a minimum of 50 years FYI
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So if you sit idly for 50 years and you have done nothign with your life because you chose to spend your time meditating, that leads to enlightenment? This has a Zen like quality to it.Maybe that is what it takes for some people to realize that we're all going to die and whatever great things and wealth you have chased all your life is worthless to you after you die. No matter how much or how little you have in life, it is all pointless.



Ninae said:
David Hawkins writes some about the physical changes. He says the body starts to produce more endorphins and less stress hormones. Big changes in the nervous system, new pathways in the brain, etc.

But of course this isn't part of official culture, if you only believe what is "approved" that way.
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Ninae, these physical change (endorphins, new brain pathways) also occur when somebody feels happy and long term contentment. Experiencing love or prosperity also create positive physical changes. It makes sense that something as nice as enlightenment, whatever that is, could do this too.
 
I don't know, there might be a bit more to it.

David Hawkins is worth looking into. He received a knighthood for his research on consciousness, so he even got some acknowledgement from the establishment.

But most people won't be interested in that - they just want to argue from the limited knowledge they have, even if it's next to nothing.
 
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But most people won't be interested in that - they just want to argue from the limited knowledge they have, even if it's next to nothing.
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Can I just say that you write these sort of snide remarks way too often. Its always a generalised criticism against anyone who disagrees with you, you make it seem like sceptics such as me are wilfully ignorant. I hear you out without denigrating you, why can't you extend the same courtesy? Its lame and you do it constantly.
 
swilow said:
Can I just say that you write these sort of snide remarks way too often. Its always a generalised criticism against anyone who disagrees with you, you make it seem like sceptics such as me are wilfully ignorant. I hear you out without denigrating you, why can't you extend the same courtesy? Its lame and you do it constantly.
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Lmao, in a thread entitled enlightenment there sure is a lot of EGO....:p



Lots of people searching for X just end up doing spiritual bypassing *cough cough*8)



One day, (but not now) you TOO can achieve enlightenment!

Here buy my book the Secret to Enlightenment......
 
Enlightenment is just a word... people should forget about it and just exchange their experiences.

A great deal of my wisdom about this subject was obtained via negativa until I collided with some extremely intense experiences in my life. I've noticed this to be the case with a lot of seekers.... they describe enlightenment by telling you what it isn't, due to the elimination and surrender processes they have already undergone.

It's sort of like... you peel back the layers over and over until you reach... emptiness. Not nothingness, but emptiness.

So although I do not consider myself to be enlightened, I can say that it is not a process of grasping, it's a process of letting go. Nor is it situation dependent.
 
swilow said:
Can I just say that you write these sort of snide remarks way too often. Its always a generalised criticism against anyone who disagrees with you, you make it seem like sceptics such as me are wilfully ignorant. I hear you out without denigrating you, why can't you extend the same courtesy? Its lame and you do it constantly.
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It wasn't meant to be denigrating. I meant it literally, in that much of the time someone tries to engage with me in a discussion of something they've done no studies on, and just try to make fun of me in any way they can. What's even the point, if they're not even interested in learning anything, and just want to argue.

Why even make statements like "I don't think that work is scientifically valid" if you haven't even looked at it? That's not very helpful to anyone.

By the way, I do think people are willfully ignorant, or they wouldn't act that way. I say things like that on purpose to make them realise.
 
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I've been impressed by several people who seem to be enlightened to some degree, but they're almost never the ones who call themselves enlightened.
 
No, I think it would be hard to, as there are almost infinite levels of enlightenment. That kind of person will just trust it shows in their "vibe" and general demenour (for those who can see).
 
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