Shambles, you are right of course. I'm really hoping I'm not about to embarrass myself with lack of knowledge here, but my assumption was that there's no across the board way of identifying every powder, and so assumptions are made as to what it is and the relevant tests carried out. If that's the case then IDing a new, unknown substance would be more of a headache than if for instance it's strongly suspected to be cocaine.
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energy 2... nrg 2 new experience
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GC/MS Testing - narrows it down quite considerably 
Ok I've decided to do a trip report on this one since not many others have, which is weird since its been available for a while now! This is my first trip report so hopefully I won't screw it up too much. Me and a friend got 2 grams each about one and half weeks ago and done it at a friends house party. As I recall it was a white crystalline powder without any real smell, I don't remember the taste but it wasn't nice !
Im 5ft 10", and I weigh about 12 stone. I took about 1.1g over a 6 hour period by nose. I started off with a tiny smidgen of an allergy test probably less than 5mg's at 9 o'clock. About 20 minutes later I racked up a big 0.4g line, rather brash I know considering its a new RC and no one even knows the real chemical name but three of my friends had tried it earlier in the week and done similar amounts with no ill effects. Anyway it took 3 goes to get it all up and the first thing that hit me was the terrible burn! It was the worst burn of any chemical I have taken so far, comparable only to one time when I opened a horrible piperazine headshop pill and sniffed some. The strange thing about the burn was that it seemed to be more at the back of my throat then my nose and the next day my throat was sore so it probably causes chemical burns. It was about 15 minutes before it kicked in.
My friends were expecting my head to be blown off me but surprisingly it wasn't, the come up isn't really comparable to mephedrone there was no huge rush or anything, it kinda just creeps up on you. The buzz is a little mephedroney I suppose, but not nearly as good especially considering the amount I took. It was definitely empathogenic, stimulating and euphoric but not crazily so and it seemed less strenuous on the body but I don't know that could have been in my head. The best description for this I can think of is "mellow meph" (yeah I can see the vendors stealing the term already! lol) the euphoria is not as intense as mephedrone and neither is the stimulation, but I think the empahtogenic effect is about similar in strength but of course its hard to measure these things.
I ended up giving away a grams worth to my friends throughout the night as a few of them were down and there wouldn't be any other drugs until later. I finished off the remaining 0.6 grams in three 0.2g lines by 3am . However by the time I got to the last 0.2g I was coming down and even another 0.1g top up from my friend(who hadn't given away as much!!) wouldn't keep me up. The comedown wasn't as bad as a mephedrone comedown but it was still pretty bad and considering how much mellower the drug is I was surprised at its evilness. I smoked a few joints anyway provided by a friend who I had given some lines to earlier (those who give shall receive ) and that made me feel a little better. Later at about 5am the ketamine was taken out and I spent most of my time coming down happily k-holed and so I was able to ride out the come down 
I did experience a nasty overheating episode after the ket wore off (around 7am) where I was dangerously overheated for a while but Im pretty sure that was to do with the ketamine and the temperature of the apartment and not the nrg-2. I got to sleep at about 8:30am with the help of 2 valiums but I was restless and woke up repeatedly and ended up getting out of bed at noon.
The next day I had a pleasant afterglow, but then again it was a lovely sunny day and I take 5-htp to help prevent any hangover, anyway there was no terrible Tuesday like effects either.
OK so the conclusion. Well I found the experience pleasurable but considering the weak nature of the chemical the comedown was quite disproportionate being almost as bad as with mephedrone and ecstasy. If I were to rate this chemical on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being mdma and 7 being mephedrone I would rank it at 3 or 4. It hits the big 3 being an empathogen, stimulant and euphoric but it doesn't hit hard, its just too weak for me! I doubt I'll get again if theres anything better available. The lack of a hangover was a pleasant surprise but that would probably change with repeated use. The fact that its duration is even less then mephedrone is also a massive drawback, but then again I didn't find it nearly as "morish" so you probably I didn't find myself doing pointless top ups five minutes after a big hit!
BTW for anyone claiming this is just watered down mephedrone I don't think so, it felt quite different to mephedrone even at lower doses, perhaps it could be MDAI with a little meph mixed in? But probably its its own chemical. Anyway I hope I didn't leave anything out any feedback is appreciated
Im 5ft 10", and I weigh about 12 stone. I took about 1.1g over a 6 hour period by nose
. I started off with a tiny smidgen of an allergy test probably less than 5mg's at 9 o'clock. About 20 minutes later I racked up a big 0.4g line, rather brash I know considering its a new RC and no one even knows the real chemical name but three of my friends had tried it earlier in the week and done similar amounts with no ill effects. Anyway it took 3 goes to get it all up and the first thing that hit me was the terrible burn! It was the worst burn of any chemical I have taken so far, comparable only to one time when I opened a horrible piperazine headshop pill and sniffed some. The strange thing about the burn was that it seemed to be more at the back of my throat then my nose and the next day my throat was sore so it probably causes chemical burns. It was about 15 minutes before it kicked in.My friends were expecting my head to be blown off me but surprisingly it wasn't, the come up isn't really comparable to mephedrone there was no huge rush or anything, it kinda just creeps up on you. The buzz is a little mephedroney I suppose, but not nearly as good especially considering the amount I took. It was definitely empathogenic, stimulating and euphoric but not crazily so and it seemed less strenuous on the body but I don't know that could have been in my head. The best description for this I can think of is "mellow meph" (yeah I can see the vendors stealing the term already! lol) the euphoria is not as intense as mephedrone and neither is the stimulation, but I think the empahtogenic effect is about similar in strength but of course its hard to measure these things.
I ended up giving away a grams worth to my friends throughout the night as a few of them were down and there wouldn't be any other drugs until later. I finished off the remaining 0.6 grams in three 0.2g lines by 3am . However by the time I got to the last 0.2g I was coming down and even another 0.1g top up from my friend(who hadn't given away as much!!) wouldn't keep me up. The comedown wasn't as bad as a mephedrone comedown but it was still pretty bad and considering how much mellower the drug is I was surprised at its evilness. I smoked a few joints anyway provided by a friend who I had given some lines to earlier (those who give shall receive
) and that made me feel a little better. Later at about 5am the ketamine was taken out and I spent most of my time coming down happily k-holed and so I was able to ride out the come down I did experience a nasty overheating episode after the ket wore off (around 7am) where I was dangerously overheated for a while but Im pretty sure that was to do with the ketamine and the temperature of the apartment and not the nrg-2. I got to sleep at about 8:30am with the help of 2 valiums but I was restless and woke up repeatedly and ended up getting out of bed at noon.The next day I had a pleasant afterglow, but then again it was a lovely sunny day and I take 5-htp to help prevent any hangover, anyway there was no terrible Tuesday like effects either.
OK so the conclusion. Well I found the experience pleasurable but considering the weak nature of the chemical the comedown was quite disproportionate being almost as bad as with mephedrone and ecstasy. If I were to rate this chemical on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being mdma and 7 being mephedrone I would rank it at 3 or 4. It hits the big 3 being an empathogen, stimulant and euphoric but it doesn't hit hard, its just too weak for me! I doubt I'll get again if theres anything better available. The lack of a hangover was a pleasant surprise but that would probably change with repeated use. The fact that its duration is even less then mephedrone is also a massive drawback, but then again I didn't find it nearly as "morish" so you probably I didn't find myself doing pointless top ups five minutes after a big hit!
BTW for anyone claiming this is just watered down mephedrone I don't think so, it felt quite different to mephedrone even at lower doses, perhaps it could be MDAI with a little meph mixed in? But probably its its own chemical. Anyway I hope I didn't leave anything out any feedback is appreciated
Ick. Snorting NRG-2 is a really bad idea. A 400mg line? I hope you've been kind to your poor ol' snozz since. Fuckin' ow! 
I kinda wrote it off at first but a 250mg bomb the other morning was a pleasant surprise - just felt generally good, perky, cheerful and chirpy for a while. Didn't last more than two hours at most and a 300mg top-up did nowt - seems to be a one-dose wonder.
IV'd with NRG-1 it ripped me a new one though. I've shot NRG-1 many times so am well aware of the effects of that and an unmeasured, but not insanely large, dash of NRG-2 potentiated it to the point I had to stop injecting halfway and leave the rest till later. In 15 years of IV use of more drugs than many could name I have never once had to do that. Not tried IVing NRG-2 by itself but as I only have 50-100mg or so left I may research that area cos it's nowhere near enough for any other ROA.
I kinda wrote it off at first but a 250mg bomb the other morning was a pleasant surprise - just felt generally good, perky, cheerful and chirpy for a while. Didn't last more than two hours at most and a 300mg top-up did nowt - seems to be a one-dose wonder.
IV'd with NRG-1 it ripped me a new one though. I've shot NRG-1 many times so am well aware of the effects of that and an unmeasured, but not insanely large, dash of NRG-2 potentiated it to the point I had to stop injecting halfway and leave the rest till later. In 15 years of IV use of more drugs than many could name I have never once had to do that. Not tried IVing NRG-2 by itself but as I only have 50-100mg or so left I may research that area cos it's nowhere near enough for any other ROA.
seejay33
Bluelighter
Please excuse me for my laziness in writing a tr for this but pretty much everyone else have summed it up well enough for me.....
Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole so to speak ...
Seejay
Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole so to speak ...
Seejay
Now, see, these reports remind me of something I was given on my birthday - it was being called 'CPZ' (no, it wasn't Largactyl, of that I am sure). similar appearance and effects - I assumed from the name 'CPZ', that it was some kind of piperazine - however, (some) NRG-2 reports seem to suggest that it was a similar substance.
seejay33
Bluelighter
Who knows, could be any of about ten different possible rc's doin the rounds at the min
Seejay
Seejay
Shambles mentioned GC-MS testing and it got me thinking. Would I be violating any forum rules if I offered to test NRG-2 and post the results here? (free of charge, of course)
I'm not trying to score any free drugs, if that's what you think. I'd only need a fraction of a milligramme. And it's not like I'd be doing it myself or get myself or anyone else into any kind of trouble over it. I'm a chemist and I know enough people who'd do it as a favour, no questions asked. It wouldn't be a quantitative analysis, just identification of the active ingredient(s).
Mods, please tell me if I'm out of line or of it would be ok. The vendors are starting to piss me off by not letting buyers now what's in these things, and getting them analysed is definitely harm reduction if you ask me.
I'm not trying to score any free drugs, if that's what you think. I'd only need a fraction of a milligramme. And it's not like I'd be doing it myself or get myself or anyone else into any kind of trouble over it. I'm a chemist and I know enough people who'd do it as a favour, no questions asked. It wouldn't be a quantitative analysis, just identification of the active ingredient(s).
Mods, please tell me if I'm out of line or of it would be ok. The vendors are starting to piss me off by not letting buyers now what's in these things, and getting them analysed is definitely harm reduction if you ask me.
seejay33
Bluelighter
Great idea , all we need now is a small sample, might make the dodgy vendors wake up
Or not...
Seejay
Or not...
Seejay
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the formula on my bag is (2a,3a) - epitho-17a-methyl 17b-ol-NBenzyloxycarbonyl-d-proline
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this was probably just a fake name to hide what it really was.
IF this was is the real name would this add up with reagent tests on DF that showed this drug had a primary amine?
^^ Not probably just a fake name. It's positively bollocks and makes no sense from a chemist's point of view, and such a substance cannot possibly exist. (2a,3a)-Epitho-17a-methyl-17b-ol is half the name of a semi-legal anabolic steroid (aka. methylepithiostanol), and N-benzyloxycarbonyl-d-proline is a substituted amino acid which I bought in bucketloads for peptide syntesis when I was working on my PhD.
Like I've said in other threads, the name is coined and has absolutely nothing to to with the active ingredient(s) in NRG-2. The guy who came up with it probably just had a look around in his lab and randomly picked a couple of names from containers on the shelf. That's what the RC industry has come to, sadly enough.
I've bought RCs before, and I'll probably do it again, but fuck if I'll buy something if I don't know what's in it.
Anyone who says NRG-2 is good or even okay is a probable vendor in my book. Pretty much everyone else says it's crap.
Like I've said in other threads, the name is coined and has absolutely nothing to to with the active ingredient(s) in NRG-2. The guy who came up with it probably just had a look around in his lab and randomly picked a couple of names from containers on the shelf. That's what the RC industry has come to, sadly enough.
I've bought RCs before, and I'll probably do it again, but fuck if I'll buy something if I don't know what's in it.Anyone who says NRG-2 is good or even okay is a probable vendor in my book. Pretty much everyone else says it's crap.
10 hours of NRG-2...
Hi...new person, kinda. Seem to be alot of us.
I've used these forums a great deal in my research on mephedrone, 2c-B or anything else that i have stumbled across in my drug journey. My previous drug experience has ranged from pot to acid and most of the time i have enjoyed them. Anything except injection seems to be my motto.
Vitals: age:27, Male, 5'.11'', 12.3 stone. Above average fitness (But not by much). I like pies. Don't drink or smoke much.
Up until recently i haven't been a heavy drug user, taking only when i happened across a deal. But at a Halloween party last year i was introduced to mcat (mephedrone) and really enjoyed it. There has been a vast spectrum of experiences (and probably alterations in the purity and substance) but they all generally fell into the categories of euphoria and hallucinations (and damn droopy cock syndrome 8)). Since then my intake has probably averaged 6-7 grams a week (snorted mostly, occasionally bombed) sometimes more, sometimes less but that's my best guestimate. Good times and that was up until the ban came into effect.
I have experienced no notable side effects from this longer term use as of yet other than a tolerance increase.
It is with this background i approached NRG-2.
(I missed out on NRG-1 and the plethora of similar compounds, as far as i know, but may have been sold it in place of mephedrone occasionally.)
I purchased 6 grams of purported NRG-2 from a street dealer/user that i have come to expect wont stiff me. But there is never any way to know with street, or any, deals for certain.
I was given a reasonably sized bag for 6 grams: as some of you have mentioned its volume seems greater than other powders, however it was not as brilliant white as a few stated. I suspected then that this may be cut with something; being a very light ivory (Possibly even MDVP, given its Wiki description, but could be anything from plaster to crack for all i know). The powder was fine and dry and lined acceptably. I have access to electronic scales.
Sat -
20.00 GMT. Unperturbed i did a small spatula (est. 0.05g) line and suffering no adverse effects after 20mins continued with two 0.1g lines spread over another 20mins.
20.40 GMT. Feeling the effects but nowhere near as strong as expected. Pleasant but not euphoric. Relax and listen to some music.
21.30 GMT. Another 2x 0.1g line. Experiencing strong need to focus on a complicated task. Rewire some lights (not mains power, don't worry) and find myself engrossed shortly after in photoshop work.
10.30 GMT. Effects subsided. Feel listless and want company. Follow up with a measure of .4g spread in 4 lines over the next hour.
11.30 GMT. Regain mellow euphoria but not akin to E or mcat. Not displeased but was hoping for more.
Continue similar pattern up until -
Sunday, 6AM:
Suspend use at this time due to slight tightening of chest and throat constriction. May be due to numbing property however (see notes).
Total consumed close to 2g. Mild high maintained but fades to not unpleasant but restless sensation by 7AM. Unable to sleep. Experience hunger but food difficult to consume.
7AM-Now: Cognitive function relatively unimpaired. Fatigued but not sleepy. Very mild sensation of lightness remains.
Notes:
The taste was not nearly as unpleasant as mcat but it had a very strong kick to it and impacted heavily on the back of my throat inducing much hacking.
An important thing to note is the localised numbing at the back of my throat and nose. Mild anaesthetic quality. Not debilitating but very strange and most unexpected. May be due to impurities cut with product. God knows what.
While there was minimal nose blockage i did experience a thick bright yellow mucus build up and had to blow my nose frequently.
Throughout this experience i drank two litres of water but did not experience great diuretic effects. Did experience above average thirst.
I recommend eating before-hand as unlike other substances i did get hungry but eating is a bitch. I managed a banana.
Similar to mcat i experienced low blood flow to my groin.
As others report the come-up is gradual and not directly comparable to other substances i have taken. The closest, strangely, may be acid. You catch yourself wondering if you are high; and the parts of your brain still functioning close to normal inform you of a definite yes although be it quite mellow.
Summary:
I suspect whatever i have here is cut with some other compound as the local numbing sensation seems to be unique to myself. That aside the experience seems generally similar to those reported by others.
NRG-2 is nowhere near as powerful as mcat and is a mediocre replacement as a legal high. I do intend to experiment with slightly larger doses under the supervision of some trusted friends at some stage to see if i can replicate the hallucination aspect of mcat which i enjoyed very much. This will wait until i know what NRG-2 actually is and have a pure source.
As for chemical composition an educated guess puts it as one of the many derivatives from the Pyrovalerone/Naphyrone family (same as NRG-1, as many of you suspect). This would allow it to avoid the 'substituted cathinone' ban that ensnares mephedrone & Co' in the UK.
There are so many compounds with similar properties it is nigh on impossible to know for sure using only our taste buds and experiences to guide us. Chances are there are a multitude of different chems being sold as NRG-2 at present.
So just be careful. All the time.
In brief:
The high was OK, but probably not worth the risk.
Peace. V
Hi...new person, kinda. Seem to be alot of us.
I've used these forums a great deal in my research on mephedrone, 2c-B or anything else that i have stumbled across in my drug journey. My previous drug experience has ranged from pot to acid and most of the time i have enjoyed them. Anything except injection seems to be my motto.
Vitals: age:27, Male, 5'.11'', 12.3 stone. Above average fitness (But not by much). I like pies. Don't drink or smoke much.
Up until recently i haven't been a heavy drug user, taking only when i happened across a deal. But at a Halloween party last year i was introduced to mcat (mephedrone) and really enjoyed it. There has been a vast spectrum of experiences (and probably alterations in the purity and substance) but they all generally fell into the categories of euphoria and hallucinations (and damn droopy cock syndrome 8)). Since then my intake has probably averaged 6-7 grams a week (snorted mostly, occasionally bombed) sometimes more, sometimes less but that's my best guestimate. Good times and that was up until the ban came into effect.
I have experienced no notable side effects from this longer term use as of yet other than a tolerance increase.
It is with this background i approached NRG-2.
(I missed out on NRG-1 and the plethora of similar compounds, as far as i know, but may have been sold it in place of mephedrone occasionally.)
I purchased 6 grams of purported NRG-2 from a street dealer/user that i have come to expect wont stiff me. But there is never any way to know with street, or any, deals for certain.
I was given a reasonably sized bag for 6 grams: as some of you have mentioned its volume seems greater than other powders, however it was not as brilliant white as a few stated. I suspected then that this may be cut with something; being a very light ivory (Possibly even MDVP, given its Wiki description, but could be anything from plaster to crack for all i know). The powder was fine and dry and lined acceptably. I have access to electronic scales.
Sat -
20.00 GMT. Unperturbed i did a small spatula (est. 0.05g) line and suffering no adverse effects after 20mins continued with two 0.1g lines spread over another 20mins.
20.40 GMT. Feeling the effects but nowhere near as strong as expected. Pleasant but not euphoric. Relax and listen to some music.
21.30 GMT. Another 2x 0.1g line. Experiencing strong need to focus on a complicated task. Rewire some lights (not mains power, don't worry) and find myself engrossed shortly after in photoshop work.
10.30 GMT. Effects subsided. Feel listless and want company. Follow up with a measure of .4g spread in 4 lines over the next hour.
11.30 GMT. Regain mellow euphoria but not akin to E or mcat. Not displeased but was hoping for more.
Continue similar pattern up until -
Sunday, 6AM:
Suspend use at this time due to slight tightening of chest and throat constriction. May be due to numbing property however (see notes).
Total consumed close to 2g. Mild high maintained but fades to not unpleasant but restless sensation by 7AM. Unable to sleep. Experience hunger but food difficult to consume.
7AM-Now: Cognitive function relatively unimpaired. Fatigued but not sleepy. Very mild sensation of lightness remains.
Notes:
The taste was not nearly as unpleasant as mcat but it had a very strong kick to it and impacted heavily on the back of my throat inducing much hacking.
An important thing to note is the localised numbing at the back of my throat and nose. Mild anaesthetic quality. Not debilitating but very strange and most unexpected. May be due to impurities cut with product. God knows what.
While there was minimal nose blockage i did experience a thick bright yellow mucus build up and had to blow my nose frequently.
Throughout this experience i drank two litres of water but did not experience great diuretic effects. Did experience above average thirst.
I recommend eating before-hand as unlike other substances i did get hungry but eating is a bitch. I managed a banana.
Similar to mcat i experienced low blood flow to my groin.
As others report the come-up is gradual and not directly comparable to other substances i have taken. The closest, strangely, may be acid. You catch yourself wondering if you are high; and the parts of your brain still functioning close to normal inform you of a definite yes although be it quite mellow.
Summary:
I suspect whatever i have here is cut with some other compound as the local numbing sensation seems to be unique to myself. That aside the experience seems generally similar to those reported by others.
NRG-2 is nowhere near as powerful as mcat and is a mediocre replacement as a legal high. I do intend to experiment with slightly larger doses under the supervision of some trusted friends at some stage to see if i can replicate the hallucination aspect of mcat which i enjoyed very much. This will wait until i know what NRG-2 actually is and have a pure source.
As for chemical composition an educated guess puts it as one of the many derivatives from the Pyrovalerone/Naphyrone family (same as NRG-1, as many of you suspect). This would allow it to avoid the 'substituted cathinone' ban that ensnares mephedrone & Co' in the UK.
There are so many compounds with similar properties it is nigh on impossible to know for sure using only our taste buds and experiences to guide us. Chances are there are a multitude of different chems being sold as NRG-2 at present.
So just be careful. All the time.
In brief:
The high was OK, but probably not worth the risk.
Peace. V
Good luck with that. Nobody knows what it is and the vendors are not telling if they even know themselves, which is unlikely. Whatever it is seems to be sold under a variety of names but all are white, crystalline substances with minimal effect and very sore on the nose. Snorting is a pretty ineffective way of dosing it anyway - it's much stronger orally. Well, you can at least feel something from it orally (at around 250mg) but only for an hour or so... but that's more than you get from snorting it, in my experience. Seems to be a lot stronger IV so I suspect it has a very low BA via other routes as they are all piss weak really. MDAI has a similar effect but it has a history of use and is known to be safe. And we know what it is. I'd go for that instead if you want a similar mellow buzz. Also not effective snorted but is orally and IV.
I'll try lay my hands on some of that then. Bombs for the win. I actually enjoy snorting though...wierd though it may seem. Hell, i'll do both, lol.
Cheers, Shambles. V
The same places that sell NRG-x tend to also sell MDAI. There does seem to be a problem with fake batches though - some seem to even be NRG-2 cut with benzocaine or similar. The good stuff is a fine brown powder - looks like UK heroin, in fact. But doesn't feel like it. One of the better legal options for sure.
The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread
The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread
