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Ecstasy Use Survey

Yea but how many of the respondants are people educated in mdma? Or are u gona get a ton of people the roll on pipes every weekend that think what there taking is mdma? That's the problem with a test like this. It could def skew the results of the survey if a bunch of idiots are taking what they believe are legit pills or Molly and telling of bad side effects. 90% of new rollers don't even know what real mdma is.
 
yanker said:
Yea but how many of the respondants are people educated in mdma? Or are u gona get a ton of people the roll on pipes every weekend that think what there taking is mdma? That's the problem with a test like this. It could def skew the results of the survey if a bunch of idiots are taking what they believe are legit pills or Molly and telling of bad side effects. 90% of new rollers don't even know what real mdma is.
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Thanks for your comment. Typically, to be considered a "heavy-end" user you would likely have used well over 50-100 times in your lifetime. Although I set the minimum at 30 many of the participants of my study report being involved in ecstasy use for quite some time. So, these aren't naive users. You're point is an important one, but that is why I'm not studying new users, who use infrequently.
 
I appreciate your interest and intentions however you understand that weekly ecstasy use is pretty heavy abuse as most published studies suggest one to three months between doses...

So if a study is based on data from heavy abusers i think that is not a good thijg... i think you need a cross section... from non users to one time users to yearly, twice, three times a year... every 3 months, every 2.. once a month, twice a month... once a week, twice, three...5 days a week... everyday....

Unless of course if the study is on the effects of ecstasy abuse/misuse :)

akdavis said:
Hi,

I totally understand your skepticism. And although there's no way that I could convince you without simply getting to know you better, I hope that you can give me the benefit of the doubt. Obviously the people at several highly reputable organizations (erowid and MAPS, among others) have at least signed off on my project in terms of advertising it on their respective websites. I had to go through several stages of question/answer and providing documentation (including motivations for the study) before they agreed to help promote it.

It's okay to doubt the intentions of the scientific community based on being lied to in the past. But know that there are those of us who are young scientists, who want to make reparations. It may not be that we will always agree, but I believe in my heart that there exists a path for science and the drug using community if we can break down the barriers and build trust.

All the best,
Alan
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the toad said:
Unless of course if the study is on the effects of ecstasy abuse/misuse :)
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Pretty sure that's the whole point!


There are already a TON of studies out on the safe use of MDMA... it's about time someone started doing something on the other end!

MDMA is an incredibly safe drug... when used safely. But no one really does that anymore... there are thousands of users that abuse the shit out of MDMA, taking it every week or even more.... they need help a lot more than those who already use it safely!
 
I totally agree that all aspects should be.studied... what scares ke however is how and who ends up mass distributing it to the public in theor own interperetations...

I was raised by a veterinarian and a chemist and studied physical and bioscience in college... im very much a scientific mind and think the more we know the better... im just scared of policymakers and fear mongering based on taking thijgs out of context and misrepresenting the information...

I applaud your dedication to such a.controversial subject and am not trying to dissuade you or poke fun... i just like to voice my opinion on how studies designed to find something usually succeed in doing so... theres good and bad about everything and i hope your findings are used for positive reasons and not prohibition and politics :)
 
Folley said:
^ Those concerns have been voiced several other threads (most current one is in Drug Studies I believe..), and I certainly had my doubts as well.

Like I said though, I trust him not to skew the data :)
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I also like to play devils advocate just to get ppl thinking divergently :)

I like you folley... youve been doing.well on here too... i like your sense of humor, your really knowledgeable... and your pretty smart but that seems.to get u in trouble... you k.ow ur roght and i k.ow ur prolly riht.on some stuff but theres still no facts to prove it...

Anyways not bitching... i just wanna publicly say i appreciate your dedication and extra effort lately :)
 
I think we are getting somewhere...

the toad said:
I appreciate your interest and intentions however you understand that weekly ecstasy use is pretty heavy abuse as most published studies suggest one to three months between doses...

So if a study is based on data from heavy abusers i think that is not a good thijg... i think you need a cross section... from non users to one time users to yearly, twice, three times a year... every 3 months, every 2.. once a month, twice a month... once a week, twice, three...5 days a week... everyday....

Unless of course if the study is on the effects of ecstasy abuse/misuse :)
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I think the problem is not in my study, but in the general way I am communicating the study. You see, in order for me to conduct a study on craving and ecstasy use I need to be very general about the study description so as not to bias the results too much prior to people participating. I am, as you say, mostly interested in heavy-end use. BUT, i am only interested in that in terms of Craving, because those are the users that are likely experiencing this phenomenon and also perhaps one of the reasons why they continue to use this drug to excess. I developed a measure to assess craving and therefor need to validate and study this measure within the group of people who are likely to be experiencing Craving. It is not that I don't want to have non-regular, or regular ecstasy users views heard - it is simply that for this study, they are likely NOT experiencing craving for the drug and therefore it would be a waste of their time to participate.

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.

Thanks,
Alan
 
This is just a thought but...perhaps a more complete report of MDMA abuse could be achived by including infrequent or responsible users. Now I'm not a college educated big wig but is would seem a likely order of events ending in abuse begins with infrequent use.
 
akdavis said:
I think the problem is not in my study, but in the general way I am communicating the study. You see, in order for me to conduct a study on craving and ecstasy use I need to be very general about the study description so as not to bias the results too much prior to people participating. I am, as you say, mostly interested in heavy-end use. BUT, i am only interested in that in terms of Craving, because those are the users that are likely experiencing this phenomenon and also perhaps one of the reasons why they continue to use this drug to excess. I developed a measure to assess craving and therefor need to validate and study this measure within the group of people who are likely to be experiencing Craving. It is not that I don't want to have non-regular, or regular ecstasy users views heard - it is simply that for this study, they are likely NOT experiencing craving for the drug and therefore it would be a waste of their time to participate.

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.

Thanks,
Alan
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Anyone who takes it more than once has cravings to some degree... some just crave more often than others ;)

Healthy craving for something fun and different or unhealthy craving for self destructive behavior.... like i say, go looking for a ptoblem and youll definately find one anywhere
 
Hi everyone,

I just posted a summary from my Study 1 (Phase 1) findings in the drug studies forum for those that are interested. I am almost finished with data collection on the phase 2 study and will be working on that project for the remainder of the year. I hope to have those results by late this year or early next year.

Thanks again to all those who have commented and/or participated in my study.

All the best,
Alan
 
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