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ecstasy isn't as dangerous as we think

Oh and to the actual post... I think, from research that it actually is MORE dangerous than people think. Or at least most users think... Just from what I've seen and what I've done of it, and of other users, I can tell that people can get really fucked up brains from this.

I mean, I think if you really do it only twice a year or around that, you'll be fine. But just from so many people saying that they've "lost the magic" just proves that their brains are not what they once were. And that they've fucked up probably both serotonin and dopamine receptors in the brain. And once you do that, it takes many years to get back to normal...

I think ecstasy is an amazing drug for what it does and how it brings others close together, but I don't think it should be used very often at all. i think you should save it for ONLY very special occasions so every time you do use it, you'll have only great memories, and not regrets of how you wish you didn't do it so often so you wouldn't be feeling so shitty now.
 
We all know its not physically that bad for you.... overuse can cause negative effects to happen though....

How do we know that overuse can lead to negative short and long term side effects? there have been people who overused it and exhibit certain characteristic side effects...
 
its.euphoric said:
Oh and to the actual post... I think, from research that it actually is MORE dangerous than people think. Or at least most users think... Just from what I've seen and what I've done of it, and of other users, I can tell that people can get really fucked up brains from this.

I mean, I think if you really do it only twice a year or around that, you'll be fine. But just from so many people saying that they've "lost the magic" just proves that their brains are not what they once were. And that they've fucked up probably both serotonin and dopamine receptors in the brain. And once you do that, it takes many years to get back to normal...
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You're confusing people ignoring the studies with the studies understating ecstasy's danger, unless you mean to say that anecdotal reports are stronger than scientific evidence.

And losing the magic probably has something to do with tolerance rather than singeing the brain. For example, I used to be blown off my ass off of a couple key bumps, but I stopped all together because my body built up a much higher tolerance. Obviously cocaine and ecstasy act differently in the body, but you can't attribute tolerance directly with brain damage unless the evidence is there to support it, and from what I understand it is not.

The most interesting post thus far has been from RGB. Studies show that ecstasy effects receptor down regulation, but that doesn't necessarily mean neurotoxicity, and it's also another thing all together to see what kind of affect, if any, that would have on the overall quality of somebody's life. Personally ecstasy has made me much more social, and I actually cut down on a lot of negative aspects of my life (like smoking pot everyday) because of insight I believe I've gained during or after rolling. Are these changes because I "damaged" certain parts of my brain. Possibly, but if they are, I'm happy with these new damages.

Just food for thought.
 
These numbers are so skewed because of sample size. Ecstasy is neurotoxic in high doses period. Believe me, I can directly pin point times when I have taken way too much and felt "e-tarded" for weeks and months after. I still sometimes dont feel right, but time has made it much better. If you can do E as a bluelighter once a month in small doses, more power to you. If you are like me and cant stop doing them for fear of the come down and have a horribly addictive personality, stay away. The damage you do to brain is hard to live with and even harder to fix.
 
Ecstasy is not dangerous in the way of your life is in risk but it is totally dangerous in another way. In that I mean it has a HIGH potential to create psychological disorders or excaberate them greatly. I don't need anyone to tell me other wise because it is what it is. Sure people will throw out that with any drug when you abuse it you will get ill negative effects. But with ecstasy you can use it moderately but still get many ill effects which you don't really see with other drugs besides meth and nasty shit like that. And on the neurotoxicity issues and so on, those are all things that need to be taken very seriously with ecstasy. They didn't make the term e-tard for no reason, use it enough and your brain will surely turn to mush.
 
Dude I love MDMA just like the next guy but I don't agree at all with what you just said .

Just because something doesn't cause deaths , it doesn't mean it's not dangerous .
MDMA is dangerous if used incorrectley (I.e not allowing your brain enough time to recover ).
I would say a hugeeeee amount of MDMA users don't follow this once a month bluelight rule . This then leads to brain damage which leads to various helth effects.
Every club I have been to , most people who roll in my school , alot of non bluelighter types say
that they use MDMA at least a few times a month .

A huge amount of MDMA users arent like us blighters . They are irresponsible users of the drug .

For example my friend....
He was depressed so he used , then he started to abuse , thing got worse , started to experience
side effects and now he is a mess . His memory is seriously impared , he's seriouly depressed all
the time and had terrible panic attacks . An he doesn't use any other drugs apart from smoking pot once evrything few weeks .

MDMA is not safe . It has terrible side effects. That are SOMETIMES even ireversible .

Another good example from our community is dxmkid

And yeah there is the LSD thing and cannabis myths . But those things have been realized by many that they are not true !
People who use LSD alot compared to others realize that this stuff does not make you jump out of windows . There's clear proof of that .
Same with cannabis . Tonnes o people smoke it an most enjoy it and don't become crazy .

But can you say the same with MDMA ? No . many People use it and expericne horrid depression, anxiety , etc .
Just look at the way MDMA works , it's obviously going to put strain on the brain !! Flooding all
that serotonin leaving the brain short of it, and needing to make more .
Chemical imbalances in the brain have been shown to be bad for the person mentally .


Sorry I'm not hating on you MDMA , I'm just saying What is true .
 
lulz i love mdma. i have no real trouble going only once a month, but its not that way with speed lulz.
 
Cali, I know what you mean, and I think it's fine to use it. I'm just saying that I've seen people that abuse this drug... and it fucks you over. I see this kid I knew and... he even tells me that it's hard for him to think now. And I just see how he acts, and it's just sad. It's so sad.
It seems to damage a lot more than other drugs. Except maybe meth.
 
LSDMDMA&8193181 said:
lulz i love mdma. i have no real trouble going only once a month, but its not that way with speed lulz.
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Haha yeah man .
I do d-amp every week or two .

But I heard your brain can recover wayyyy quiker eh ????
 
WayFarLost said:
Everything that a person who doesnt use drugs will tell you about drugs is mostly lies. Pot doesnt make people crazy, lsd doesnt make insane, and ecstasy certainly isnt that dangerous.

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graph forgets users per year....
its funny to think i was almost a statistic
 
lol at canadian using the word eh..but yeah, it seems even methamphetamine wont cause the brain damage MDMA can cause if abused..but yeah amp seems to be pretty safe on the brain, its not neurotoxic
 
Would be great if anyone could actually cite some genuine medical reports on the perm damage some of you seem to think it causes? 2 pages and I haven't seen any so far.

There's a good report from ABC (of all places) news, I think..... 1 sec..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjvNCijeYlI

It all quite worrying at first but stick with it to the end. Aside from giving a good breakdown of the origins of mdma use (first used in psychotherapy > then recreationally > then banned outright) It also sheds light on the very little medical research that's been done on the possible dangers... It also highlights the U.S. governments failed attempt to demonise ecstacy and generally lie through their teeth trying to scare everyone into thinking it was a fact that it caused permament brain damage (turns out their 'expert' scientist was a fraud from start to finish.)

The bottom line > the jury is still out.

(altho' at this point, given that people aren't exactly dropping like flies, I (personally) assume there is no physical danger in taking mdma - but I'm no doctor.)

Bear in mind that in the UK in the early 90's there were reports claiming up to 1 million pills were being consumed EVERY weekend. Now, as this is media bullshit, let's strip a zero off of that figure to get closer to the truth > Even with 100.000 pills being popped every weekend, where is the epidemic that should surely be occuring almost 20 years later? Fact is, we haven't heard a whisper about any kind of epidemic or a 'sudden flood of cases of mental illness' or 'permanent brain damage'... nothing.... at ....all. What about the thousands of people taking mdma in the early 80's in Dallas? ...ditto.

Does it cause some psychological damage in some users? Of course, but that could also apply to many things that happen in our day to day life, with mdma being merely one of many contributors but certainly not the (sole) cause. In fact, I'd place it pretty fucking low on the list compared to the shit life throws at you. If you want to really go down that route then let's get all that sugar out of the stores and burn it! Have you seen a five year old after he drinks a can of coke? And don't get me started on coffee... :)

If anyone has a time machine that can take me back to Dallas circa 1982 - pm me.

Peace
 
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mdma is extremely hard on the brain and is nuerotoxic. It may not have many deaths associated with it but its extremely bad mentally and psychologically.
 
LonE1 said:
mdma is extremely hard on the brain and is nuerotoxic. It may not have many deaths associated with it but its extremely bad mentally and psychologically.
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Please define 'extremely'?

Also 'mentally' and 'psychologically' both mean the same thing, but you might want to mention that it 'damages the brain' just to really get the message home.
 
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MazDan said:
Did it occur to you that the opposite is true also.

That because we dont know any better, its dangers are being understated.
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It seems that users understate the danger and the powers that be (thinking anti-drug campains and such) overstate them massivly. MDMA is definitly neurotoxic, but the research is still being done. I wouldn't do it more then once per year, but that's just me (I recall Shulgin saying about the same thing, but I'm not certain).

Also LSD can make you insane, it's done that to me before (for long periods of time). I'm not saying that LSD isn't wonderful, I'm just noting that that is a legitimate risk.
 
It IS dangerous past 200mg+. People with thyroid problems have also died without being dehydrated, over hydrated, weak hearts or any other drugs or alcohol in the system. Look up thyroid MDMA deaths on Google or maybe even here.
 
LSDMDMA&8194160 said:
lol at canadian using the word eh..but yeah, it seems even methamphetamine wont cause the brain damage MDMA can cause if abused..but yeah amp seems to be pretty safe on the brain, its not neurotoxic
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reference?
 
roller11dude, i remember i read the releasing agents article on wikipedia. MDMA put out much more serotonin than methamphetamine, and i think around the same amount of dopamine. Its the extreme release of serotonin that causes neurotoxicity. methamphetamine still is used medically, it is only neurotoxic in high high doses.
 
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