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acieed_ed said:
no it wasnt but other posts by him where.are you saying he has respectly peoples religious beliefs consistantly

bollox...hes rude arrogant confrontational and disrespectful and im finished putting up with him.
i dont dislike him..i dislike his attitude
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I can kinda see why some of PTCH's posts may have riled up some believers but I honestly don't believe for a second anything he says is meant to cause genuine offense. He's Scottish - Glaswegian even - it's a miracle he ain't stabbing us all or summat ;)

I keed, I keed :D

But you must have seen other posts of his around the forum, no? If so you must know he's a fine chap with a great way with words some of which can occasionally be misunderstood. Same as all the rest of us. It's pretty obvious to me at least that he's a funny fucker being funny but making serious points at the same time. Is perhaps one of the problems with online discussions - words alone are often easy to misinterpret. Like the Bible ;)=D<3
 
really...cos he said gods a wee dick.... nothing more...an imaginary friend

how was that not meant to offend :-|

i have met people from glasgow both celtic and rangers fans rough around the edges. ptch would get stabbed in the neck if he got smartass with them.
he is funny sometimes...but needs to learn manners...easy
 
And I've said the same thing about your god too. I may have worded it differently but you seem to realise that I was being somewhat jokey but also deadly serious (unless you've missed many of my posts here where I'm saying precisely that kinda stuff). Just seems somewhat selective is all. I really don't see how anything PTCH has said is any more offensive than what I and others have said for those looking to be offended. It's pretty clear that opinions are greatly divided - and somewhat heated - but also good natured from all so far to me. I'm sure your god is man enough to take it, no?

EDIT: Posted in response to Acieed but applies to anybody taking offense.
 
sham ur agree with ptch but you are jokey and do show respect to the person.doesnt mean u have to respect the religion.of course not

i want to nip this in bud now.
ptch is direct and rude..i hope he wises up cos i enjoyed chatting yo him bout other stuff
 
Hehe. Just not more than ten minutes ago I said nice things about MSB in another place as it happens, Jess. Told ya us atheists are morally superior :p;):D

(yes that is a joke with only a smidgeon of seriousness behind it before anyone gets offended)
 
morally bankrupt degenerates all non believers more like...ha ur atheists are gonna be so sorry when judgement is upon you...not terminator 2 im talking.


*this is a fictional post using the same mentality as my beloved misguided jock mate.

out if order yes...offensive belittling yep.... see my point

ty
 
JessHalo said:
woah 'smidgeon of serious' are you basing this on my slagging off ptch?
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Ha! Not really. Was my usual semi-serious stuff is all. I happen to truly believe that secular morality (the type that is grounded in reason) really is superior to religious morality of any flavour. But wasn't implying for a moment that you were immoral for such piffling hypocrisy (if it was even that) in your talking about PTCH when he's not here to defend himself. Just an obvious opportunity to make a point I believe to be true whilst having a sly dig at religees and their tendency to take the moral highground went it ain't necessarily justified is all ;)

Let's not let this thread get all messy with misunderstandings, eh? I think it should maybe be taken as read that nobody here has any malice towards anybody else <3

acieed_ed said:
morally bankrupt degenerates all non believers more like...ha ur atheists are gonna be so sorry when judgement is upon you...not terminator 2 im talking.


*this is a fictional post using the same mentality as my beloved misguided jock mate.

out if order yes...offensive belittling yep.... see my point

ty
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Not even remotely out of order, Acieed. Is quite clearly a not-entirely-serious post even without the disclaimer. And even if it wasn't it would be water off a duck's ringpiece given how often religees genuinely do say precisely such things ;)<3
 
Oddly enough I do, Acieed =D

(who said i was predictable 8))

Only indirectly though. Hitler's views and policies on the Jews are lifted almost word for word in places from some of Martin Luther's more anti-Semitic writing. Given Mr Luther is essentially the founder of all Protestant sects it's summat Protestants of all flavour should know about. Some of the stuff he expounded is so shocking it makes the Nazis look like they were playing at anti-Semitism 8(

There's endless debate about whether Hitler was an atheist, a Catholic or some kinda quasi-Pagan but one of the things we do know for sure is that he knew the works of Martin Luther. And he took some of that stuff and ran with it. In a big way :|

Not suggesting for a moment that it was the sole cause of the atrocites, but was certainly one of the inspirations for some of the worst of it. Christians in times past weren't exactly Jew-friendly to say the least...

Some background reading: Martin Luther's Dirty Little Book: On Jews & Their Lies
 
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Not quite sure what it is you can't believe I said, Jess? If you just mean that I said I believe that secular morality is superior to religious morality then I do. Have said it several times before and will do again. I say it because secular morality is based in reason not superstion. Perhaps you thought I meant non-religious morality in general? I didn't and don't. Am talking about morality in the traditional philosophical sense not the religious one. The kinda stuff you have to justify at every step along the way. Actual morality. I don't believe in Biblical morality, remember? I find it too often immoral oddly enough ;)

Will dig up some linkies to explain my position better later cos I'm fairly sure this is just a simple case of talking at cross purposes <3
 
@shambles hitler started out catholic but when living in hostels in munich he read some anti-semetic pamplets and newsletters from some german quasi-genius and he went on to promote positive christianity.
he also persecuted the christian church. and the vrill society and attempts by himmler to harness the powers of the occult
schloss wewelsburg temple of the black sun


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=mXQMuCZuBaA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=mXQMuCZuBaA

control occult powers to
 
Ya. I know about the SS occult stuff. He wasn't into it but wasn't that fussed about it either. Much of German occultism at the time had some heavy anti-Semitic influences. Was very much in the atmosphere... the zeitgeist if you will. The "German quasi-genius" was quite possibly Martin Luther as mentioned - Nazism was riddled with the darker side of Luther's writings - but there was certainly a particular German fella whose anti-Semetic writings he was into I forget the name of but much nearer a contemporary so I'm guessing you meant that one. I would hardly describe Nazism or Facism as "promotion of positive Christianity" meself (despite a certain amount of temptation ;)) as it was clearly not his intent whatsoever. He was a totalitarian dictator so used and abused anything that did the job. I'm sure there were many influences on him just as with all of us.
 
Look at this... Out of everyone, it's the 'Christian' that is acting like a prick. Crackhead didn't say anything particularly rude. As mentioned, it's 'just how he is'. Cunt? Yes. Arrogant? Yes. Aggressive? Out of context, maybe (you religious people love that statement). An ignorant twat? Nah, he's cleverer than that. He's certainly cleverer than you, Liam. Much cleverer. How much aMT did you have, which made you into one nasty, Christian twat? It sounds like booze, actually. It's not an excuse to be a dick, even if you insist on fisting god. I rarely witness Christians speaking to fellow human beings, like that. Did he hit a nerve, maybe? Either way, your opinion still means nothing. I actually believe you're a troll, after that.
 
@treacle
calm down you nutter you steam in here out of no where butting into something that doesnt concern you and fire and serious disrespect at me.. why.
i dont drink i gave up after a bad expierence years ago i despise alcoholism and pissheads i had no amt tonight either man.
look man im sorry your girl left you it sux...been there..
dont take it out on me.hate on the church.
neither you or crackhead are particulary bright...im superior in every aspect. your clearly intellectually challenged i dont judge you for that but i advise you to goto bed ..take ur anger over ur breakup out on someone else.
take care man
 
Alright guys we all knew this was likely to turn heated; can everyone try to stick to debating the topic and lay off any personal insults please? This is an interesting topic and for the most part, even though there are some wildly different views, so far it's stayed the right side of the "heated debate" and "slanging match" line.

I don't want to be heavy-handed here; as Shambles said

Shammy said:
Let's not let this thread get all messy with misunderstandings, eh? I think it should maybe be taken as read that nobody here has any malice towards anybody else <3
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If anyone has a problem with an individual poster I suggest you either bite your tongue, ignore them (there is an ignore function for those who don't know) or take it to PM (but remember that abusive PMs are not okay either and remember PMs can be reported too). Of course, you can also report any posts you feel cross the line and we will look at them for you.

Abuse is against the BLUA; heated debate, banter and the like are part of EADD. It can be a fine line but I'm sure most of you can tell when you're crossing it. I don't want to get heavy handed and start removing posts or infracting people, or closing the thread, that would be a real shame - so can everyone just try to keep on topic and avoid personal attacks, please? Insulting people's intelligence is not going to go down well or add to the debate in any way, is it?

I'm taking no sides; as far as I can see it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, with some misunderstandings, maybe a bit of over-sensitivity (I understand that this is a sensitive topic, no insult was meant there) and things are getting too personal.

I understand some of you are angry. It might be a good idea to step away from the thread, let things cool down, possibly place someone on ignore if you are finding them upsetting/rude/difficult to talk to, then see if we can carry on with the debate minus the agro?

<3
 
treacle i forgive you man crackhead too. genuienly i dont dislike either of them.
i just dislike the very aggressive and personal venom fired at me.
i am going to bed soon.
i will pray that you find peace.
god bless

when i suffered a panic attack this evening and was very paranoid i was going to be harmed my best mate sent me this txt

****** no need to worry or panic ur safe under the protection of heaven

i think it helped me to a degree.

nighty y'all
 
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If you talk to people civilly, no sneering or mocking and discussions can happen. Do the opposite and they react emotionally, amplify it and that's how wars start, particularly over this subject.

I troll people in other threads, but not this one. Someone said religion gets afforded too much respect, but it has to. The life cycle of the human is so insignificant and yet so massive, our deaths will be the smallest and biggest things to ever happen to us and thats what it all boils down to, good old cheery death :)
 
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