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make me a channel of your peace.
indeed.
:-|

in conclusion i have suffered with anxiety in the past never delusions of any nature although i know some people who have religious delusions personally i share nothing in common with them.
my faith is strong and 100% reality based pretty standard beliefs by most peoples standards.
acieed ed over n out
 
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I didn't leave anybody. If I did they didn't make their presence clear enough to ever be noticed.

Is one of the greatest tragedies religion has caused us as a species. Millennia of waiting, hoping and relying on a non-thing to do... whatever the particular sect wants it to do. The sooner people realise and accept that non-things can't do shit by definition the sooner we can make some progress in making this world a better place <3

Great post. Shambles wins the thread. "Faith" in imaginary friends holds the world back by an inconceivable amount.

Then again, maybe I'll be forced to eat my words when the second coming/rapture (whatever you want to call it) actually happens. When's it meant to be now? Have they rolled it on for another 2000 years?

Zombie Jesus is gonna get me.

i say god works through people he cant appear in person to everybody now can he.

The standard definition of bible god says that he can do exactly that. "He" can do anything & everything, can't he? He just doesn't because... he's a bit of a dick (or he totally doesn't exist).

in conclusion i have suffered with anxiety in the past never delusions of any nature although i know some people who have religious delusions personally i share nothing in common with them.
my faith is strong and 100% reality based pretty standard beliefs by most peoples standards.
acieed ed over n out

O Rly?
 
Great post. Shambles wins the thread. "Faith" in imaginary friends holds the world back by an inconceivable amount.

Then again, maybe I'll be forced to eat my words when the second coming/rapture (whatever you want to call it) actually happens. When's it meant to be now? Have they rolled it on for another 2000 years?

Zombie Jesus is gonna get me.



The standard definition of bible god says that he can do exactly that. "He" can do anything & everything, can't he? He just doesn't because... he's a bit of a dick (or he totally doesn't exist).



O Rly?

His spirit passes through people in the way He wants it to. I know a lovely verse for anxiety acieed-ed

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

We have POWER we just need the faith to use it.

Think of the story of David and Goliath. Things didn't look good for Israel they had sent champion after champion to fight this 'giant' all that was left was a young shepherd lad who had never used a sword. The armies of the other side shouted threats (like your anxiety) and blasphemies. On the face of it David should be terrified but he wasn't he was full of the Spirit.. FULL
He shouted back:
Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

Dave had faith.. he must have been like ' are you having a laugh i've got the host of Israel.. an entire army of angels behind me. What are you on? David picked up a couple of smooth stones and slung them at him. THe stone hit him hard right on the forehead and he died instantly.

David and Goliath is in1 Samuel 27.45

By the way I was wondering if you would be so kind, just in this thread to not call God a Dick or whatever. I find it really disrespectful ..Pleeeeeze <3

Lets have our Sunday Best on in ths thread :D
 
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Well, my fellow atheists have picked this apart better than I could.

raas: I remember you, from way back. You were quite an avid drug user. A lot of people do too many drugs and end up addicted to the bible. Is it possible this happened to you? Cross-addiction at its worst, in my opinion. Do you think you'd have found god because drugs? (Awful comedown, or whatever.) If the answer to that is 'yes', then drugs must be a good thing. I'm told by my Christian friend (who loves his drugs) that there's nothing in the bible to say that you can't get high (perhaps treat thy body as a temple - but 'sacred wine' is going to more harmful than a few Es). Do you still take drugs, raas? If not, then why visit here? Not for one second that I'm inferring that non-users aren't welcome, or yourself. :) It's just that there's not many Christian non-users on here. Why did you return, if this could be considered a mistake in your life?

I was very interested in trying different drugs and learning of others experiences with them. Almost passionately, even started to study neuroscience at university. But I never had a drug problem. I took drugs because I wanted to, not because I had too. So I would say there is no relation between my drug use and coming to Christiannity whatsoever.

I'm told by my Christian friend (who loves his drugs) that there's nothing in the bible to say that you can't get high (perhaps treat thy body as a temple - but 'sacred wine' is going to more harmful than a few Es).

Mmmmm. Atheists on this board posted earlier that Christians often interpret scripture for their own means, and in a lot of cases that is true. Perhaps this being one of them. Seems pretty weak to me to call yourself a Christian and take hard drugs.

What does he expect to find in the bible? "Woe to you Pharisees! And woe to you who consume 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine!" I think not. Considering the age of the bible, you have to take the verses out of their context. For instance "be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit" in this day and age "Getting drunk on Wine" would be the equivallent to getting smashed on drugs.

No I do not take drugs anymore, that is inspired by the fact I believe in God. They seem more perilous now. For instance, when you are low, shy or have difficulty enjoying yourself out... MDMA becomes very appealing. When you lack enthusiasm, speed becomes very appealing. When you want to escape problems of life, marijuana can become very appealing.

<Not to say everyone who is taking drugs are doing so because they are low, but in my experience people often turn to drugs to replace something they are missing in their lives>

I think it's better to focus yourself towards issues in life, and being productive. Drugs (in my experience), tend to interfere with that.

If not, then why visit here? Not for one second that I'm inferring that non-users aren't welcome, or yourself. :) It's just that there's not many Christian non-users on here. Why did you return, if this could be considered a mistake in your life?

I apreciate the welcome. No fancy reason. Thought I'd pop in and say hello from time to time! I spent many years posting on this board, across forums. I'm not going to completely turn my back on that... never found another forum on the Internet that i could be bothered with. Liked BL, a lot similar people. New to drugs and interested in research. Tends to attract the more intelligent drug users rather than yobs who want to get smashed at the weekend. Though I tend to post in the P&S board more frequently now, rather than the drug forums.
 
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His spirit passes through people in the way He wants it to. I know a lovely verse for anxiety acieed-ed

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

If god gave us power & love, did he not also give us anxiety? ;)

By the way I was wondering if you would be so kind, just in this thread to not call God a Dick or whatever. I find it really disrespectful ..Pleeeeeze <3

Sorry, but no. I don't really mean to be disrespectful (well, not entirely) but if you want to say there is a god then I'll say that he's a dick. If there is one (or many) then I believe that he (or some of them) is (are) indeed a dick(s).

I could say that your idea that it's god that does good things (or that people do them because of god) is disrespectful to humans who do them for no other reason than just being nice & not because they're scared of the bad fire etc.
 
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Agreed on all counts, PTCH. Is one of the aspects of religion that really does piss me off - summat good happens? Goddidit. It may appear to the untrained eye that it was people who did it but that would be ridiculous seeing as we are but worms who should be thankful we're not smited on a daily basis for not worshipping the living shit outta our lord and master. Summat bad happens? That's obviously cos we're fallen creatures and should be on out knees begging for mercy at all times. Or maybe it was that pesky devil (although what the point of this devil is - and what its motivation could conceivably be - is less than obvious). Hardly a fair and balanced outlook on life 8)

Schoolbus crashes killing a coupla dozen children but one survives - it's a miracle! But fuck the dead kiddies they weren't worth a miracle apparentlly. Earthquake, flood, hurricane or whatever wipes out tens of thousands? That'll be the gays fault then. And look at the miracle of the handful of survivors left with nothing! Praise the lord for his mercy! How believers fail to see how ridiculous and offensive this is I have no idea I really don't :\

But fair enough. Nobody has a right - god-given or human-granted - to not be offended. I don't go out of my way to offend religees... but saying that if there is a god or gods it/they are clearly evil fuckers is merely an observation based on the evidence presented. I'm sure he/she/it/they are big enough to take it. And would obviously know damn well why many would say such things - being omniscient and all that. And omnibenevolent so can forgive us for stating the bleedin' obvious, I'm sure.
 
look lads cynical unhappy minds not at peace arnt likely to find anything positive in this world
im after no sleep last night a half day in work havnt got the nrg
you do your thing i do mine dont hate the player hate the game.
its easy to sling insults and contempt i aint offended.
laters
 
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I'm about as far from cynical and unhappy as it gets, Acieed :D

Am a rather perky chap by nature and almost always perfectly content with my lot in life. I don't hate anybody - religious or otherwise. I don't hate god either - not possible to hate a figment of other folks' imagination. I do hate religion itself though. By far the worst of all human inventions. Caused more suffering and harm than anything else has ever come close to doing. I hate the institution and all it stands for. I hate what religion has done to the world. I hate what it continues to do to the world and will do for the forseeable future. It is the very definition of evil through ignorance. But believers are just dandy with me as long as they ain't the proper nutjob types or those who try to force their bizarre beliefs on others. One day I hope humanity grows up and learns to look after itself and its companions. Whilst religion retains its grip and twisted influence on so many that cannot happen so I loathe it with a passion. I loathe it, I don't loathe people. They just make me a bit sad sometimes cos they could be so much more.
 
not aimed at you shams u were respectful thank you even if we have different views.
i know your a positive upbeat bloke just no magic friends eh :-P
 
not aimed at you shams u were respectful thank you even if we have different views.
i know your a positive upbeat bloke just no magic friends eh :-P

Aimed at me then? (I'm assuming Treacle as well? Seeing as "lads" is plural). Because what I'm saying is soooooo much different to what Shambles is saying :\

Carry on with your delusions.
 
Aimed at me then? (I'm assuming Treacle as well? Seeing as "lads" is plural). Because what I'm saying is soooooo much different to what Shambles is saying :\

Carry on with your delusions.

cool i will ta.
i met some fucking clowns in rehab that said they were cross-addicted ie they were boozers+druggies they got severe stick fron us. addicted to cross's are ye? ya poor divil im a bag head but beeing addicted to crucifixes must be cat poor you. now kindly get the fuck away from us you simpletons :-\
space cadets sums their awareness levels.
i just loved feeling good...too too many drugs in my quest but all is not lost.ever.

cross-addicted or anything remotely of that nature aint me
good luck
 
Much like people follow star trek. People want something to believe in, so they follow the bible. It's a psychological comfort thing.

So yeah, faith is a form of obsessive compulsive disorder.
ur a smart bloke from what little i gather. always with the condecending references to character defects as a response i wonder where its coming from or whats behind it. i take it your flawless yourself...the oracle if you will always one step ahead hmmm :-)
peace out
 
He is right though. It's a comfort to imagine that there's something/someone watching over you or watching out for you. Some higher power that will save you at your lowest point. I can see how it helps people but that doesn't make it any more real.

Unfortunately, while religion can help many individuals, it is ultimately quite harmful for the advancement of society as whole. Holding on to old beliefs that have absolutely zero evidence to back them up. Opposition to stem cell research for example.
 
Your posts are mad random at the moment.
you mentioned treacle in ur previous post and he was on about "cross-addiction"

i have rinsed 30mg of Alpha Methyl Trytamine so mb it was the come up.

talking about religion ends for now.
im getting off my banger now going out later last thing i want now is this debate...
i got cuddle puddles to organise
 
Unfortunately, while religion can help many individuals, it is ultimately quite harmful for the advancement of society as whole. Holding on to old beliefs that have absolutely zero evidence to back them up. Opposition to stem cell research for example.

Indeed. It's when religious convictions stray into public affairs things tend to go horribly wrong the most. Human rights and equality is a big one (and not exclusive to Christians by any stretch - homophobia and sexism are rampant in most religions). Abortion rights. And as for the Catholic church and its genocidal policies on condom use in Africa... Words fail me as to how reprehensible shit like that is. Caste system for Hindus. Even the Buddhists have a few things to be deeply ashamed of - aside from the standard treatment of women as being fundamentally inferior to men (you can't reach Enlightenment if you're not male) the Tibetan lamas ran a feudal society treating what were essentially slaves with unbelievable brutality for a religion with such a reputation for non-violence. The list goes on... :\
 
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