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EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

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raas_2012 said:
Problem with this thread is that I can spend hours replying in detail to all the questions raised, yet no-one listens... coz they've already decided the religion is a load of BS and just aren't interested in assimilating any Christian responses.
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You're correct, but surely you can see that you also approach it in exactly the same way just from the religion is not BS angle? Which is why you dodge the harder points (Jesus is stolen from other theology etc) that might question your faith.

The thing is, there's nothing you can really come out with to change a non-religious persons mind because essentially it all comes back to the bible. If I believe that the bible is a work of fiction then there's nothing you can really do to convince me otherwise as your only source is that same bible.

You can't really use the bible to prove that the bible is true.
 
I'm interested in your shit raas - i'm agnostic and will be persuaded by a persuausive thing, but am just interested in religion in itself (even if i'm not joining it). And it's a dialectal thing: we can all benefit from debate even if we don't change positions. (Though it is a bit you against everyone else :)).

In your post you seem to be interpreting the bible to extract what you can perceive of its message (i've seen you do this in lots of posts) - this is great - a problem i have with western christianity is that it's fixated on the literal bible (eastern christians not so much) - if you can use your god given reason to interpret the bible, you should be able to knock it all into shape given time (ie decide what really feels like truth and what feels like anachronism).

Take a leaf out of judaism's book - while their bit of the bible is the old-fashioned bit, the rabbinical tradition requires the text to be interpreted into the context of today; there's a strong tradition of questioning and modifying what it means to them.

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Edit: Have you seen this alan watts video about christianity? (from a gnostic christianity thread in PandS)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
 
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What are people's view on mediumship n would one acknowledge this as a topic to be classed under a theological discussion? Using evidences, What do people think of the Christian perspective towards mediumship, in comparison with other more "modern" theories for and against mediumship? Discuss.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
What are people's view on mediumship n would one acknowledge this as a topic to be classed under a theological discussion? Using evidences, What do people think of the Christian perspective towards mediumship, in comparison with other more "modern" theories for and against mediumship? Discuss.

Evey
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'Mediumship'? What, as opposed to 'Smallship' and 'Largeship'? ;)
 
If you're referring to the 'Psychic Sally' type of medium then I must agree with ColtDan I'm afraid. Talentless individuals preying on vulnerable people who are suffering from grief and guilt and are desperate for some sort of 'closure' as the yanks would say...
 
Not referring to any "one perspective" I'm using the term "mediumship," loosely seeing what gets brought up - interested in what comes to people's minds and what type of evidence is used in any particular debats / discussions.

I do agree that some people use the title "psychic / medium" as a way of making money and preying on the vulnerable. However, I think that this is probably the case in most roles where people aid the public in some way. For instance, therapists can use their positions to exploit vulnerable people, whereas there are some extremely amazing therapists who have been very helpful in enabling a person to get better.

Evey
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yes, but as in many disciplines, the effectiveness of the practitioner is wholly dependent upon the faith/gullibility of the recipient.
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Of course - that makes perfect sense. So, for instance, if a person is having reiki, they must have an open mind in order to truly experience it. Similarly hypnotherapy, regression and so forth.

Evey
 
Cristian people who claim that jesus talks to them should either stop telling porkies or go to the doctors - some anti phycotic medication would probably sort that out
 
Well yes, exactly! They all depend upon faith (which is why many alternative therapies can be lumped under 'faith healing'). That's not to say they aren't effective for the individual concerned, as they undoubtedly are for certain people that are receptive. It's the classic placebo effect, the power of suggestion. Unfortunately, often the people doing the 'suggesting' are unscrupulous self serving charlatans.
 
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I'm not stating "either or" I'm simply putting exemplars out there to try and get some sort of different discussion going here. As the discussions on here, as late, tended to concern the Christianity faith - I sought some exemplars of what the Bible thinks in terms of mediumship. I would be interested if anyone else would bring any other form of religious views towards mediumship. Just trying to generate some form of new discussion.

I, myself, am quite open minded and interested in what people have to say hence trying to generate a new discussion here.

EDIT: Here are some interesting readings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/spiritualism/

Evey
 
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The human brain is amazing and can contain as well as the small bit that thinks it's you, various other 'persons', inclduing models of other people, and even the ultimate wisdom of all humanity: what freud called the superego, or we might call conscience (i can't think how to spell that atm), or we might call 'god within us'. When it feels like it, our 'subconscious' can take on the role of god for us (it's where we got the idea from after all), and pretty convincingly so (or satan, or the NWO, VALIS, ECC etc).

In modern times, when this happens intensely it seems more likely it'll be pathological, but sometimes (more in older days) it can happen non-pathologically and spit out some pretty cool wisdom - most old cultures have a defined role for people who might start 'hearing voices', so these people have a place and their 'psychosis' is allowed to develop within a (relatively) stable and healthy framework (not just 'shamanic' societies - most cultures have a place for mystics, religious wildmen etc, including medieval christians).

In the west where there isn't such a role, too often these 'special' people become the 'mental' people who noone understands. There's a million or so years of evolution behind us which had found a use for these mental types - if there was no useful role for these types of people in a society they wouldn't still be here - our job now should be to find/develop/remember a similar use for them now (eg we could bring back shamanism ;))

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I have experienced some mediumship which i couldn't put down to cold reading. I know that some mediums do what they do completely genuinely - they certainly don't think they're doing a derren brown. Whether the information they sometimes get came from just really good intuition (or subconscious cold reading), telepathy, or actual communication with an afterlife i don't know. (my hunch would be intuition (ie the power of the brain in action) though at a certain level of power, intuition becomes indistiguishable (to us) from telepathy).
 
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