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EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

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He's your dad too. :D

Ed: So you will know if indeed you are family that there is nothing in creation that will take it out of His hands as it has been entrusted to Him sincerely. And you know that. so why test?
 
NightsEpiphany said:
I've decided to knock drugs on the head. Its the associations with sorcery that concern me. Could be fear raas but I've had some scary visions.. could be all in my head. Could be misinterpretation of scripture/spirit.. Could be.. but there's not a chance i want to be hoofed up every wrong way by a vindictive Nazi goat for eternity though.


Can we look at drugs and connection with sorcery in bible at some point please?
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For someone who's friends with Sammy_G, you've got quite a wise head on those shoulders.


(J/K Sammy ;)..... sort of..... well no actually not at all)

NightsEpiphany said:
I'm confident raas will do the noble thing and come to a womans rescue with some big pharma/sorcery/ eli lilly/pfizer/revelations (sorcery deceiving everyone) exegesi of stuff sammyG. I'm not eve. I dont know stuff neither do i want to.
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OK...

These strong psychedelics break down your spiritual barriers and put you in a state of consciousness which attracts various entities. Most likely these astral projections will put you into contact with disincarnate black magicians who - being supernaturally brilliant - tend to speak through vision and sensory experience. They are renowned for misleading, or giving a fraudulent spirituality to draw you away from God. The knowledge given could be dangerous. It's a bit bit like Marmalades "juicy tale" of her 4th pair of army combat shoes; some things in life we're better off not knowing

A lot of people who've had amazing epiphanies or considerably artistic hallucinations on drugs like LSD or DMT, are most likely channeling this information from celestial beings, hence the fact it often appears to transcend this world.

In terms of the Bible and psychedelics; it doesn't say a lot on the issue. However, there is one verse that sticks in mind in regards to finding "God" or spirituality through drugs...

John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through Me"
 
I admired the autonomy of that line Raas but it still sounds a bit totalitarian for my liking, knowwhatImean?

And yeah, we're most likely channeling shit from celestial beings, that'll be it.

PS Were gonna take your churches off you. Decided we like them (see above).
 
Amen.. raas to john script! So dmt does what exactly?

SHM i'd a add a fearsome swipe back at all the totalitarian shite but ive just had my prescribed drug that only allows me to respond in single sentences.

ed: or 2

ed: 3 i mean.
 
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raas_2012 said:
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you CANNOT watch that video and still be an Atheist. If you are, you got some serious issues...


DMT - The Spirit Molecule 1:13 minutes but fecking mindbowing

Personally I do not recommend DMT and wouldn't take it. Seems to give people re-assurance of life after death and take away the fear of dying... but I fear this is playing on lack of faith in God, and experiencing these things in this life is going to maybe lessen the experience in the next life, when their time is truely due. Maybe...
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I watched it. Still an atheist. Smoked DMT many times. Still an atheist. There is no next life. I feel sorry for you, pinning your hopes on something awesome happening when you die. Live your life now, enjoy now.
 
We're gonna die and become a part of the earth again. like rain into the sea
 
Name That Church

Number 2 is definitely Church of England -- their architecture is as immediately recognisable as the GWR's. Number 1 is a red brick building, which immediately suggests a non-conformist denomination; but I think it's actually more probably a modern Roman Catholic church. Number 3 looks vaguely Methodist or Presbyterean. The building isn't really really old -- conservatories are a recent invention, dependent on a late Industrial Revolution glassmaking process.
 
SHM said:
I admired the autonomy of that line Raas but it still sounds a bit totalitarian for my liking, knowwhatImean?
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Mmmmm... In the bible it says Jesus always spoke with "Great authority". I see a difference between being authoritive and being totalitarian. Must be pretty cool to say it out loud to people though.

SHM said:
And yeah, we're most likely channeling shit from celestial beings, that'll be it.
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In light of my own experience, and the claims of thousands of other people (particularly DMT), it's more than a reasonable argument.

SHM said:
PS Were gonna take your churches off you. Decided we like them (see above).
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ha, keep off our territory. I put money on your skin melting as you walk through the doors.



PTCH said:
I watched it. Still an atheist. Smoked DMT many times. Still an atheist. There is no next life. I feel sorry for you, pinning your hopes on something awesome happening when you die. Live your life now, enjoy now.
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SHM said:
This.
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Well *Shrugs* I guess it works for some and not for others. ColtDan, being someone it did actually work for.

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That is an AMAZING video. Even though it's 13:26 minutes of some guy with a boring voice talking, what he reveals is so fascinating.

Marmalade said:
You can develop and shape your consciousness into whatever you want it to be. It doesn't have to be 'animalistic', that's what's so great about it. You can choose to do fuck all with it if you want. Alternatively, you can consciously decide to develop empathy and replace anything animalistic that's a problem, in a heartbeat
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I agree, but I'm saying the make-up of the consciousness is supposedly animalistic. The animals consciousness allow them feel, eat, drink, mate etc Ours becomes more advanced and with the associated complexity allows us develop personalities, make more use of the faculties? yes?

So how the hell do you explain these mind-blowing spiritual DMT trips from a consciousness not that much more progressed from a chimpanzee? How do you chance that our genes have evolved in such a way that the mind leaves these people able to access a different realm and see things transcending our worlds normalities? You can't. (This point is made much more clear on the above video)

Marmalade said:
It's an even greater waste of anyones LIFE to be even paying a modicum of attention to the ridiculous specifics of one particular religious dogma. I see that as Inhumane and anti-human. It revulses me tbh
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While I see what you're saying, that adhering to dogmata can lead to living life in a restricted, limited and un-liberating way. We must consider who writes these doctrines, why they are in place and what is their intention? Now, if they come from a perfect mind (God) and written with the intention of benefiting an individual, and helping them spiritually it doesn't sound so criminal. We must accept that as humans we DO and WILL make mistakes especially rickolasnice and so the introduction of these tenets have their role in becoming a spiritual aid, to benefit those who choose to listen.

Not so bad, eh? There is philosophy behind the tenets. They're not written to restrict your life experience, but to progress and protect it. To go so far as to trust and adhere to these dogmas comes from a faith which has perhaps given reason for its authenticity in other ways.
 
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raas_2012 said:
Mmmmm... In the bible it says Jesus always spoke with "Great authority". I see a difference between being authoritive and being totalitarian.
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Assuming authority for oneself based on nothing more than a tenuous (some would say ludicrous) claim to 'Divinity' is more than a little, erm, totalitarian in nature, no?

raas_2012 said:
Now, if they come from a perfect mind (God) and written with the intention of benefiting an individual, and helping them spiritually it doesn't sound so criminal.
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No. It just sounds like the same premise on which every totalitarian regime throughout history has been founded.
 
Actually I think the notion of an "afterlife" is one of the most toxic, pernicious and profoundly anti-human concepts that humanity ever invented.

Some years ago, I watchd a reality-TV social experiment. A bunch of volunteers were chosen for an "environmental project", the exact nature of which was kept secret. On arrival, after a de disorientating journey, they found out that the project was to be: To spend a few weeks living on a landfill site; with their amenities being gradually taken away and the campers having to replace them using whatever they could construct from found materials. And one of the interesting things that emerged, driven home by some members' reluctance to improve the shelter on the basis that they were all going home in a fortnight anyway, was this little nugget about human nature: People will put up with all manner of shit as long as they are convinced it is only temporary and things will get better. (In fact, they did improve the shelter; and the opponents of reconstruction actually were glad eventually that they had done it.)

Tell someone on a desert island that this is going to be their home for the foreseable future, and they will go out and build a shelter, dig a latrine, maybe even plant some seeds so they don't have to search so far for food each day and start weaving their own clothes from found fibres. Tell someone on the exact same desert island that a ship will be passing by in a fortnight's time, and they will spend the next two weeks up to their armpits in their own shit, their mind totally focussed on striding up that gangplank in 14 ..... 13 ..... 12 .....

Christianity and Islam have managed to pull the ultimate version of this trick, by convincing people that their entire life is temporary and something better awaits. And they won't make so much effort to improve their own life on Earth, because they are convinced that there will be a better life in Heaven at the end of it. Which is how the false idea of an afterlife can be so damaging.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Christianity and Islam have managed to pull the ultimate version of this trick, by convincing people that their entire life is temporary and something better awaits. And they won't make so much effort to improve their own life on Earth, because they are convinced that there will be a better life in Heaven at the end of it. Which is how the false idea of an afterlife can be so damaging.
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Yep. Christianity would never have survived otherwise. Why do you think the Romans eventually allowed it to flourish among a notoriously-rebellious Jewish population, who up to that point had no concept of a soul, let alone the idea of an afterlife as we understand it?

We'll leave it to Ecclesiastes (one of the books in the Bible genuinely worth reading IMO):

Ecclesiastes 9:4 said:
But for him who is joined to all the living there is hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun.
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Ecclesiastes 3:19 said:
For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
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But of course, the New Covenant changed everything, didn't it Raas?
 
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