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GHB is well worthy of caution but is great when it is respected.

It is most dangerous in combination with other sedatives. If you sometimes find yourself going a bit overboard, or are unable to resist temptation after a few drinks, give it a miss. I no longer tell friends where to buy it.Bignbrown was another BLer whose life it claimed.
 
Funkadelica said:
Evening chaps and ladies, I'm pondering whether to give 4-ACO-DMT and shot. I know experiences are subjective but I'm really looking for something that gives me introspection. Something I can work and build upon. My only doubt about this chemical is that it is supposedly similar to shrooms and my past couple of experiences on them weren't too good. I know much can be learned about bad trips and after reading some reports about the 4-ACO-DMT I realise that it can give very positive moments and very bad. Although, from what I've read the bad comes from realisations about oneself, and I wouldn't be too displeased if something similar were to happen with me.

So I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this chemical?
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It's a favourite of mine. And yes, it is essentially identical to shrooms as it is but pharmaceutical psilocin (which converts to psilocybin in vitro... or is that the other way around? pharmaceutical mushroom powder anyway). I find it to be subjectively "lighter" than shrooms physically (cos mushies give me a bit of a squirmy gut sometimes) but the actual trip is very similar for me. As with any psyche, there's never any absolute guarantee of what will happen. The vast majority of the time you'll giggle like a loon and watch the pretty things. Sometimes it will turn out dark and introspective. Sometimes it will turn out light and introspective. Set and Setting are key as with all psyches. Previous trips - good or bad - don't really make much difference to future ones unless maybe you have had an especially traumatic one in which case it pays to take your time and build up slowly.

That and dose. 4-AcO-DMT has a bit of a steep dose:response curve. Up to ~25mg it's almost universally gigglesome, past that and you're more likely to be go into introspective territory. Which by no means results in a "bad" (perhaps more accurately "difficult") trip necessarily. Certainly can do for some but with psyches you quite often end up getting what you expect - or perhaps what you deserve :D - whether that be gigglez 'n' swirlz or... something else.

It certainly has far more potential for introspection than most of the 2C-x series, for example. But saying that it's also one of the most recreational psyches at the right (generally lowish) dose. All this is highly subjective and variable, of course. If you are reasonably comfortable and familiar with psyches it's a winner for sure. If not so sure then it's not a bad option but start low and be cautious about raising the dose too much on subsequent occasions cos small increases in dose can have dramatic increases in effect with this one.
 
Transform said:
Bignbrown was another BLer whose life it claimed.
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Given this is an HR forum it's kinda bad how many here have lost their lives to that stuff. I know that's most likely down to the fact it's only drug nerds that have really heard of the stuff or would know where to get it, but even so people should be being a lot more fukkin careful when they know damn well what the risks are.

(not meaning to be preachy but we've had a really bad run of late here in eadd and we could do with changing that)
 
Transform said:
GHB is well worthy of caution but is great when it is respected.

It is most dangerous in combination with other sedatives. If you sometimes find yourself going a bit overboard, or are unable to resist temptation after a few drinks, give it a miss. I no longer tell friends where to buy it.Bignbrown was another BLer whose life it claimed.
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Sad to think about bignbrown; he was only a young lad and a real character.

Pontifex is another one who died from GBL. His was a deliberate overdose, granted, but the guy had access to some very pure heroin and yet he opted to overdose on GBL. Let that be a reminder to anybody who would throw caution to the wind.
 
Not wishing to belabour the point but Aaron (can't recall his name on here off the top of my head) - Tom's best friend was another G-related death. That was one accidental and polydrug afaik. The recurrent theme is combining GHB/GBL with other CNS depressants. It's a thing every single one of us should know inside out. Actually doing it (never combining downers) has always been a difficult thing to actually bring about sadly. I dread to think how many friends and acquaintances I've lost to downer combos. It's a lot though. By far the riskiest class of drugs to be combining no matter how experienced a person may or may not be.
 
I knew bnb from champs days, he was a good lad but was always reckless :(, his was a big mix of things (codeine + benzos aswel) iirc?

And ponti :(:(, didnt know his was on deliberate, i loved that guy

Try & stay safe guys..
 
FlippingTop, he went by. PBUH.

And yes, it is essentially identical to shrooms as it is but pharmaceutical psilocin (which converts to psilocybin in vitro... or is that the other way around? pharmaceutical mushroom powder anyway).
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Yeah other way around, psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) is the phosphoryloxy ester of psilocin (4-HO-DMT), psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) is the acetate ester, both them believed to be cleaved in vivo to psilocin. Not had the pleasure myself (not explored the 4-subs too extensively, never as cheap and plentiful as the 2Cs were for me), but I do have a lot of experience with 4-HO-MET/metocin, a lovely chemical. Don't really like shrooms very much, find them very very anxiogenic, usually find myself thinking too fast and hard and much to enjoy the trip, but metocin is one of my favourites. Less headfuck, less body load, more visuals (I find the visuals a little more DMT-esque and colourful and sparkly and insectoid than earthy pagan shroomworld, too). Must delve into the series again, really, 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MiPT sound worth my while (and my euro).
 
Shambles said:
It's a favourite of mine. And yes, it is essentially identical to shrooms as it is but pharmaceutical psilocin (which converts to psilocybin in vitro... or is that the other way around? pharmaceutical mushroom powder anyway). I find it to be subjectively "lighter" than shrooms physically (cos mushies give me a bit of a squirmy gut sometimes) but the actual trip is very similar for me. As with any psyche, there's never any absolute guarantee of what will happen. The vast majority of the time you'll giggle like a loon and watch the pretty things. Sometimes it will turn out dark and introspective. Sometimes it will turn out light and introspective. Set and Setting are key as with all psyches. Previous trips - good or bad - don't really make much difference to future ones unless maybe you have had an especially traumatic one in which case it pays to take your time and build up slowly.

That and dose. 4-AcO-DMT has a bit of a steep dose:response curve. Up to ~25mg it's almost universally gigglesome, past that and you're more likely to be go into introspective territory. Which by no means results in a "bad" (perhaps more accurately "difficult") trip necessarily. Certainly can do for some but with psyches you quite often end up getting what you expect - or perhaps what you deserve :D - whether that be gigglez 'n' swirlz or... something else.

It certainly has far more potential for introspection than most of the 2C-x series, for example. But saying that it's also one of the most recreational psyches at the right (generally lowish) dose. All this is highly subjective and variable, of course. If you are reasonably comfortable and familiar with psyches it's a winner for sure. If not so sure then it's not a bad option but start low and be cautious about raising the dose too much on subsequent occasions cos small increases in dose can have dramatic increases in effect with this one.
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Cheers Shambles, informative as always :)

Yeah I'm going to give this a go. It was a while ago now that I had those experiences with shrooms and back then I hadn't had as many psyches experience. I'd like to think my mind is more capable to handle difficult experiences but who knows. I'm definitely looking for that introspective angle though, so probably after one lower dose for a feel of the chemical I shall explore.
 
^ It really is a good 'un (imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc). I'd almost go so far as to say I prefer it to actual shrooms. I do believe that is technically heresy but Libbies always did give me a squirmy gut :!

Oh, and even if you are especially looking for the introspective side I'd still recommend starting in the recreational zone initially. Check out the B&D thread in PD for loads more info (I think it's up to it's fifth incarnation already - popular one is 4-AcO-DMT).

babylonboy said:
FlippingTop, he went by. PBUH.
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Quite <3

babylonboy said:
Yeah other way around, psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) is the phosphoryloxy ester of psilocin (4-HO-DMT), psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) is the acetate ester, both them believed to be cleaved in vivo to psilocin.
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Thanks for correction and confirmation. I do believe I caused a minor controversy in PD when I pointed out that 4-AcO-DMT works just dandy (and instantaneously) when injected IV cos prior to that it has been assumed it was a pro-drug and inactive as is. If I don't get at least a footnote in some future chemistry tome for that I shall be most annoyed :!;):D

(and to state the obvious, i'm not recommending injecting 4-aco-dmt or anything else - just reporting past experience (which was documented as it happened in the pd thread)
 
ahh... 4-ho-mipt. what a beautiful chemical.
for me it is what everyone else loves about 4aco dmt... just in a more party sexy way i guess...
 
thats possibly why im so wary of gbl/ghb because im also taking high doses of etizolam. Im wary of the stuff in the same way im wary of etaqualone, again for the downers combo & cns depressant reason. I can only speak from experience about etaqualone but that seemed to be a bit of a case of the dose needs to quite high to feel anything, and the line between getting high and OD was never very clear for that substance, so i allways erred on the side of caution. In fact i wasted a whole gram working up trying to find the sweet spot, i never did find it, i think i got up to 300mg and felt nothing from it. Ive still got some that i bought ages ago, i cant really safely even touch it as am currently taking unlucky 13mg of etiz a day. Really have to change that dose, that really is no good, 13 is about the only thing im superstitious about.
 
Yeah, but I pay less than a euro a dose for 2C chems, so these are still a luxury.
 
It's kinda funny how that goes. It's true: you do end up resenting paying what amounts to less than the cost of a pint per dose for properly nice drugs. I presume it's the paying up front bit. You can always buy less than a gramme though (at least I know you can with that particular substance).
 
Shambles said:
It's kinda funny how that goes. It's true: you do end up resenting paying what amounts to less than the cost of a pint per dose for properly nice drugs. I presume it's the paying up front bit. You can always buy less than a gramme though (at least I know you can with that particular substance).
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True! This is where being a massive lightweight comes in handy.
 
I've always been soooooooo envious of lightweights. I never did get that macho bullshit thing where folk (well, morons) seem to think it's a competition to see who can take the most of something and be least affected. It's just plain weird really :?
 
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