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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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knock said:
It just requires reasonably careful dosing, i.e. you must use a pipette, syringe or other liquid measuring device marked with sub-ml graduations.
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And, in this particular case, you really need to know your source. Is GHB powder readily available? I know it was years back when it was legal but I've only ever seen it in liquid form where you don't know how many grammes per ml unless you either made it yourself from GBL or got it from somebody you trust who did that part for you.
 
Sorry I meant GBL when I mentioned liquid measuring. No idea about weighing out GHB, but I would imagine it requires a similar level of care with regard to sub-gram measurements in solid form.
 
It would be easy to get into a 24/7 dosing regime if you were not just ever so slightly disciplined. WIthdrawals from 24/7 dosing can be severe. I thought that's why you were avoiding it.
 
knock said:
Sorry I meant GBL when I mentioned liquid measuring. No idea about weighing out GHB, but I would imagine it requires a similar level of care with regard to sub-gram measurements in solid form.
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An average GHB dose is measured in grammes not milligrammes so there's plenty wiggle room compared to GBL where it really is fractions of a ml between sweet spot and KO. Am rather fond of GHB as a mixer instead of alcohol in a tall drink, myself. Not to everyone's taste I'm sure (cos is pretty salty) but I liked it. I'd (sort of) make an analogy with cocaine. GHB being powder coke and GBL being crack. The former more chilled and forgiving, the latter hits a lot harder and a lot less forgiving. Not that the effects are like cocaine but I've used the analogy plenty times before so may as well wheel it out again.
 
Not being arsey for the sake of it but there's not that much wriggle room. 3.2g mmmmmmm, 3.3g (he'll wake up in 45 mins, just leave him)
 
Then I sit corrected, SHM, I did not know this. Which is precisely why it's best to get information, advice and opinion from a wide range of people for such matters. As I said, I only ever came across it in syrupy liquid form (from a trusted source who made it himself from GBL). I knew how much I needed to hit my sweet spot but I couldn't say what it would be in grammes. I'm assuming it must not have been that concentrated when I've had it cos there was a fair bit of wiggle room. This is why I mentioned the "know your source" thing cos unless you have pure GHB powder or GBL it's a bit of a lottery if you don't know for sure how concentrated the stuff you are using is.
 
knock said:
It would be easy to get into a 24/7 dosing regime if you were not just ever so slightly disciplined. WIthdrawals from 24/7 dosing can be severe. I thought that's why you were avoiding it.
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My self discipline or lack of is something i dont even understand about myself. I think im finally going to be able to quit opis in the next week or 2, and have been able to quit nicotine easily in 2014. I must have some self discipline to be able to do this, it just takes the right circumstances to be able to muster it up. :\
 
GHB is lethal in overdose, should absolutely not be combined with any other depressants, but is actually remarkably, incredibly safe at normal doses, so much so that it's almost the paragon of what it is for a drug not to be toxic. Shammy is right, GBL is metabolised in vivo to GHB, and the ratio you give is about right, 1ml=1.2 or 1.4g or something like that. Powder GHB is harder to produce than the solution, but is obviously preferable, having been more competently produced and being easier to dose and transport. GHB is super good, feels like euphoric alcohol. However, as MDB says, dosing is a fine line. It's not there, subtle, have a little more, still not doing anything, maybe like being a little drunk, tad more, super goodness gracious euphoric wowzas, bit more, spazzy coma. If you'll be doing it, warn others of this effect, it can easily induce unrousable coma-like sleep that, though harmless, looks to both bystanders and medical professionals like a life-threatening overdose. I was in mid-conversation with a friend who suddenly announced that he was "too bad for my off-brand bullshit", asked me "do I look like a battyman?" in a Jamaican accent, then flopped over, unconscious, drooling over himself. I also once passed out with my chopper in my missus, she wasn't impressed. Oh yeah, great for sex, disinhibiting and euphoric and produces incredible huge hard erections, but obviously, don't pass out with your weapon inside a lady. I've done the science, it's not well recieved.
 
babylonboy said:
However, as MDB says, dosing is a fine line. It's not there, subtle, have a little more, still not doing anything, maybe like being a little drunk, tad more, super goodness gracious euphoric wowzas, bit more, spazzy coma. If you'll be doing it, warn others of this effect, it can easily induce unrousable coma-like sleep that, though harmless, looks to both bystanders and medical professionals like a life-threatening overdose.
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Very good point. I've heard a few tales (mostly from America but I think at least one from the UK) where exactly this has happened (friends/anybody in the vicinity has called an ambulance cos they think somebody is fitting or has overdosed) and been rushed into hospital and given IV benzos to counteract the "fit". Not good.
 
Shambles said:
Very good point. I've heard a few tales (mostly from America but I think at least one from the UK) where exactly this has happened (friends/anybody in the vicinity has called an ambulance cos they think somebody is fitting or has overdosed) and been rushed into hospital and given IV benzos to counteract the "fit". Not good.
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That's weird. GBL can make you writhe about in physical ecstasy when you hit the dosing sweet spot, but I would be fully able to walk and say "no I'm not having a fit" in such a condition. And when I overshoot the sweet spot and pass out, it's fairly sudden, or seems to be, as I sometimes come to sitting in my chair at the computer as if from a deep sleep and can see that I've got half way through a post or something before my fingers have just stopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

ed moving :D Maybe in combination with other drugs it works out differently?
 
I'm assuming you've never seen footage of somebody passed out on G then, Knock ;)

It ain't half as peaceful as it feels. Folk tend to thrash about in spasms as it they're fitting. At least one EADDer (MTGG who lost his life to a GBL overdose, as it happens) posted such footage when this effect wasn't very widely known. There's no doubt plenty such clips on PooToob if you look. I have no idea if this is always the case but on the occasions I've seen somebody passed out on G it's pretty common.
 
Just thinking about that shit makes me ill ;) it did happen to a mate of a mate, he put 30ml out in a glass or such and said help yourself and some one done the lot in one shot started having spasms and stuff, obv they called an ambulance by then anyway, hearing from one of the big vendors there is another opioid rc in the mix ;)
 
If somebody drank a 30ml shot of either GBL or GHB they absolutely should've had an ambulance called for them. Relatively safe drug or no that's well into OD territory.

And a new opioid RC? Hmm... got very mixed feelings about those. Whilst a bit of variety is nice, we all know that easy access to opioids is not a good idea when the people selling the stuff aren't even allowed to advise people on what a non-lethal dose is. I had my worries about that AH wotsit but that stuff never really seemed to take off. I do hope that anybody selling such things does their utmost to do so responsibly... if that's even possible with the weird, betwixt and between, grey market system we have in this country. I know why they have to put the "Not for human consumption" sticker on there and why they're not allowed to give advice on dosage and ROA, but it's still potentially life-threatening. This country - along with every other country - really needs to sort its prohibition problem out. Prohibition has failed and has made the situation so much more risky. This strange, neither one thing nor t'other interlude whilst politicians don't dare say what they know needs doing and don't dare continue traditional policy in quite the way they used to (cos it's abundantly clear by now that each time a substance is banned the "replacements" are dodgier and dodgier (and will only get dodgier) each time) can't last and is really not helping anybody. Except the more unscrupulous vendors, perhaps.
 
Price of 4-FA has gone up a lil bit, what a bastard. still excellent bang for buck though. 2g ordered
 
It's from he same vendor who bought us rti-33 or w/e that shit was called? the thing where cocaine was the supposed precursor or such?


it's funny not long after 4mmc ban i got to try something that was pretty decent replacement but it never came to market..
 
Evening chaps and ladies, I'm pondering whether to give 4-ACO-DMT and shot. I know experiences are subjective but I'm really looking for something that gives me introspection. Something I can work and build upon. My only doubt about this chemical is that it is supposedly similar to shrooms and my past couple of experiences on them weren't too good. I know much can be learned about bad trips and after reading some reports about the 4-ACO-DMT I realise that it can give very positive moments and very bad. Although, from what I've read the bad comes from realisations about oneself, and I wouldn't be too displeased if something similar were to happen with me.

So I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this chemical?
 
yoyo50 said:
It's from he same vendor who bought us rti-33 or w/e that shit was called? the thing where cocaine was the supposed precursor or such?


it's funny not long after 4mmc ban i got to try something that was pretty decent replacement but it never came to market..
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ColtDan said:
Price of 4-FA has gone up a lil bit, what a bastard. still excellent bang for buck though. 2g ordered
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Thanks for that you're the poster boy for 4-FA....
 
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