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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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I have no idea what i meant, was a bit worse for wear :), but aye thats the gist of it, better off with nowt, i got very little from a large amount
 
so when does this thread get a new version eh?
perhaps full of new chems as well... :P alas one can only dream...
 
Kronos said:
I have no idea what i meant, was a bit worse for wear :), but aye thats the gist of it, better off with nowt, i got very little from a large amount
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Sorry but is that mebroqualone you were talking about it? Its just that I been thinking of getting some myself. The stamp collector in me would usually have got some by now already, however, I got so little cash right now I can't really be buying anything that doesn't work too well.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
thats interesting about the etiz w/ds. What kind of doses did you take and for how long ? That etaqualone might actually come in usefull after all. I really need to get off etiz asap. At the moment Im cutting by 1mg every day or so until it starts to cause problems, then I'll have to start taking it more gradually. I may need to take a long distance flight at very short notice.
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Hey mate. I think I was taking about 150mg oral doses of etaqualone for etiz w/d's. The only problem is that it wears off so quick, each dose only lasting for like 45 mins or so. The reason I found this out was I went on a week long residential course for my degree and all the drugs I took with me was mpa, tramadol, 30 etiz and a bag of etaqualone I just got through the post. I stupidly ran out of etiz with a couple of days to spare and went on a two day mpa binge with some dude I met on the course at the same time. 48 hrs no sleep, mpa comedown and etiz w/d's all in the mix and I had to do some fucking presentation on pi orbitals. The trammies were all gone so I turned to the etaqualone. Was surprisingly effective. I noticed its quite good for hangovers too. I think its a pretty tame drug for getting high but when you're in a bad way it makes its prescence felt more than would be predicted from its recreational effects profile.
 
Thats good to know cheers. Have you ever had opi w/ds and tried etaq for them ?

The 45 minute duration sounds very poor though, ive never heard of any drug with such a short duration, apart from cannabinoids, is there no half life or anything ? Just 45 minutes and thats it ?

I worked my way through a gram over several weekends trying to find the sweet spot, i never did find it, nor notice any effects atall, but i felt wiped out on the following day. Very strange indeed. I think i worked up to around 300mg IIRC, cant be too sure though. 45 minute duration, ffs what use is that, i cant believe it, not that i doubt you, just how shit is a substance that only lasts 45 minutes !
 
mydrugbuddy said:
lol, it must have had some effect if it was that alone that was responsible for the effect on your posts yesterday, as you appeared to be completely wasted/trashed. :D
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Nah, a ton of money at the local and these alcohol delivery services these days will do that to you, fuckin toxic & i never really drink lol

Swarm said:
Sorry but is that mebroqualone you were talking about it? Its just that I been thinking of getting some myself. The stamp collector in me would usually have got some by now already, however, I got so little cash right now I can't really be buying anything that doesn't work too well.
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Aye, YMMV of course iv heard lots of good reports, but personally i found it lacklustre. First little smoke i felt a small nice glow, but got nothing after that even after doing most of the bag (its morish even thoughits weak), coupled with the -qualones dodgy safety record and i'd give it a miss, and maybe buy a half g when you've got a bit of spare £
 
im the same i rarely drink, my drinking buddy out drinks me almost literally under the table every time we go out, allthough i am mixing it with etiz and bupe, so i need to add some kind of stimulant to the mix just be able to remain conscious. I dunno, i think some people can just handle drink better than others, even when i was at uni, and out drinking every night i never really developed much of a tolerance to alcohol. I only enjoy alcohol in combination with a number of different things, the best combination ever was odt. odt and lager and i would be soaring as high as a kite, and drunk as a lord, but it felt so good.
 
Thanks kronos I think I'll leave mebroq alone for the time being.

@MDB 45 mins was just a number I pulled off the top of my head but I'm sure it can't be out by too much. The thing that bugs me is that the difference in the structure of methaqualone and etaqualone is equivalent to the difference between methylphenidate and ethylphenidate (how they got their names just for interest). I've never tried methaqualone myself but I don't doubt that its a hell of a drug. Its just so frustrating that the slight tweak they had to make to its structure to get it past the law ends up turning it into a piece of shit.
 
so there's not much difference in structure you mean ? I have tried both ethyl and methyl, the main differnce IMO is that methylphenidate is a lot stronger, due to tolerance issues its hard to say exactly, but id say it's between 5 and 10 times stronger. Ive allso allways stuck to lowish doses of methyl, never exceeded 20mg, whereas ive taken over 100mg of ethyl IIRC. They have very simillar effects, on libido, music enhancement, confidence, functionality (though thats very dose dependant) wakefulness/insomnia/one dose taken too late will keep you awake all night long. Perhaps Methyl feels a bit 'cleaner' but that may only be because i allways kept to relatively low doses.

But i take it you are saying that etaqualone is shit compared to methaqualone, which most of us never got to try, as it was before our time, or not available outside of South Africa ?

From wiki: Methaqualone is a depressant that increases the activity of the GABA receptors in the brain and nervous system. When GABA activity is increased, blood pressure drops and the breathing and pulse rates slow, leading to a state of deep relaxation. These properties explain why methaqualone was originally mainly prescribed for insomnia,[8] most commonly in 300 mg dosage.

Methaqualone peaks in the bloodstream within several hours, its effects generally lasting four to eight hours. Regular users build up a physical tolerance, requiring larger doses for the same effect. Overdose can lead to nervous system shut down, coma and death.[9]

At least the proper stuff has a decent duration. 45 minutes or so makes it barely worth bothering with IMO.
 
I think most people who've tried etaqualone (myself included) assume methaqualone must be superior without having tried it, because if it's as crap as etaqualone it would never have reached any kind of acceptance as a recreational drug.
 
Yeah man when I I think of methaqualone I think of dennis hopper, andy warhol and the silver factory days. The drug achieved cult status, something etaqualone could only never do.

Its funny I started off saying positive things for etaq and now I can't stop killing it. At the end of the day I have found it to have mild, pleasant effects and no discernable side effects. Its clearly the runt of the litter but I won't have it put down either.
 
Actually I noticed something interesting when I took a second look at the structure of etaqualone. I don't know if babylonboy or the other chem bods would agree but it seems the analogy with methylphenidate and ethylphenidate is even more superficial than I first thought. For etaqualone, replacing a methyl group with an ethyl group causes a kind of internal conflict within the molecule (technical term is steric hindrance). On the other hand, transforming the methyl group to an ethyl group in methylphenidate does no such thing (looks at first glance like it would slightly reduce the binding properties of the ester functional group instead - a process called the inductive effect).

Thought I may as well flesh out the digression I started while we wait for the new thread.
 
It's a completely arbitrary number anyway, I presume there was a time when people had internet slow enough that loading a long thread actually took a long time, but that's no longer the case. It's not like there's any need to change over, PD's social threads run for thousands and thousands of posts, it's just a strange vestigial ritual that everyone carries on doing even though no-one remembers why.
 
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