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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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Tried 5-eapb today for the first time at 50mg, or thereabout: 100mg pill split in half. Fantastically short duration (Taken at 11am and completely baseline by 4pm), sat there grinning from ear to ear and just generally feeling ecstatic, minimal jaw-clenching, but my pupils were huge. I was in a lecture at the time and I could take in and think about every insignificant little detail, it made the History of Microscopy fascinating!

I don't see many other reports of this compound around, on BL or elsewhere, so: has anyone tried this?
 
I tried this compound today at 50mg and actually really enjoyed it. I'm aware my dose was lower than is typical, and it was consumed orally, but it was actually pretty decent and I'm not really a stimulant fan. That dose provided me with a grin that the Cheshire Cat would envy and pupils that make my porcelain plates cry, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
 
I was in a lecture at the time and I could take in and think about every insignificant little detail, it made the History of Microscopy fascinating!

Love that! I love going to lectures/ watching documentaries when I'm buzzing. Marcus De Sautoy's history of math's was fucking unbelievable on DXM. I had to watch myself when I was back at uni though. I would load up on modafinil and sit there transfixed through the most boring shit (not that the material was boring, just the lecturer). It was kinda ok until the end of the lecture when everyone else was scrambling to get out the room while I was still leaning across the front desk like some fucking psycho.

Anyway, glad you posted a report as I haven't seen any others either and was curious to see if anyone else rated this stuff. Haven't done any decent stims in a while. Think I might make me a little purchase.
 
Love that! I love going to lectures/ watching documentaries when I'm buzzing. Marcus De Sautoy's history of math's was fucking unbelievable on DXM. I had to watch myself when I was back at uni though. I would load up on modafinil and sit there transfixed through the most boring shit (not that the material was boring, just the lecturer). It was kinda ok until the end of the lecture when everyone else was scrambling to get out the room while I was still leaning across the front desk like some fucking psycho.

Anyway, glad you posted a report as I haven't seen any others either and was curious to see if anyone else rated this stuff. Haven't done any decent stims in a while. Think I might make me a little purchase.

To be honest, I've never been a big user of stimulants so my opinion is of much less value than some people on here, but still: I liked it.
Will try the nasal route on my second test run, I have 50mg left and have read that nasal is preferred, tastes like Hell so I wonder how it'll smell. 8(
 
if its anything like the other 4- 5- and 6- drugs, it'll be fucking awful to sniff. and probably with minimal effects
 
if its anything like the other 4- 5- and 6- drugs, it'll be fucking awful to sniff. and probably with minimal effects
I'm not up on my stimulants, lesser still stimulant RC's so, if I may, I'd like to ask a question. What is the bio availability of 5-eapb, or is there a particular pattern the APB series shows in relation?
 
To be honest, I've never been a big user of stimulants so my opinion is of much less value than some people on here, but still: I liked it.(

I wouldn't worry about that. I'm an incorrigible stamp collector at the best of times. If I buy and don't like it I'll be fascinated by why I don't like it. Hell I even take drugs I really don't like on a surprisingly regular basis. I'm fascinated by anticholinergic drugs because of exactly how empty they make me feel. Don't get me wrong I keep it 95% recreational. I think I'm definitely done with nutmeg for the foreseeable future - don't need another 40 hrs sweat drenched in paranoia anytime soon.

Severe ramble. Apologies. As for the bioavailability I've not got a clue off the top of my head. I guess we're talking phenethylamines so I'd have to get thinking along those lines. P450 liver enzyme is circulating round my head but I have no real confidence in that right now. Good question.
 
Bioavailability is just a measure of the peak plasma concentration after a dose of a drug by some route of administration compared to the peak concentration after the same dose of the drug administered IV. It's sort of useful in comparing the efficiency of, say, snorting or smoking vs. eating, but sort of an arcane and useless measurement.
 
why's it arcane and useless? if we know that the oral bioavailability of morphine is, say, 40%. and we know that the plugged bioavailability is, say, 80% (I'm pulling these number from my plugging hole) then it is useful in making a decision on what ROA to use. Or am I missing something, hanging gardens of babylon boy?
 
i've not got a 101 brimz, only my personal experience and practice. I've not even seen your leaflet!

Happy to share my personal findings though. What are you after? Like I said, I was pulling those figures out my arse, i don't actually know the rectal BA of morphine. However I'm pretty sure there are papers somewhere which do give it. But I'm lying in bed so I'll take a look later :)
 
Forgive me knock, I wasn't entirely clear. As I say in my post, it can be useful, obviously, if the BAs or every likely ROA are known, in weighing up the best way to get the most out of a drug. BA, though, isn't an independent measure, it only makes sense in the context of a specific ROA (so you can talk about the oral BA, the inhaled BA), but not just of BA in and of itself, with no qualifier. Am I making sense? 5-EAPB will have an oral BA, a rectal BA, but not just a BA, I if you get me? I wasn't trying to denigrate the concept itself, it was just the way the poster to whom I was responded indicated to me through their post that they hadn't quite grasped the concept of bioavilability, which is relative, and so only makes sense when you have a particular ROA, and you're comparing it to IV (which is, definitionally, always 100 per cent. They seemed to be asking for an "absolute BA", and I was trying to explain why that wasn't really something that could be usefully asked. I was really speaking to that poster alone, I hope so that they might get a firmer grip on the concepts they were thinking about. If "what is the oral BA of 5-EAPB", then I still wouldn't have known, and suspect no-one knows (you have to do experiments with rats and stuff, and I don't think 5-EAPB has been the target of much research), but I would at least have known what the question meant. I didn't express it clearly before (I was half a bottle of gin and 6mg etiz down), but I hope I've explained what I was saying more lucidly now.
 
you're forgiven :) Yeah Sprout on Smack asking "What's the bioavailability of 5-eapb", well yes the question does not make much sense, like you say, BA describes how much of a drug gets into your bloodstream, and as you point out that all depends how you attempt to get it into your blood stream :)
 
That's a good point babylonboy, for someone who claims to not to be much of a pharmacologist you definitely give the appearance of clear thinking on the issue. I've been loosely aware of bioavailability for the past decade but have never actually thought about it in such a clear and defined manner.

I must confess that I intuitively think of bioavailability and metabolic pathway as interchangeable. Obviously they are not, as you pointed out, however I think this may have been what SproutOnSmack was basically asking about. That's how I took it anyway. I think metabolic pathways can be very interesting. The fact that caffeine is broken down into 3 metabolites that are mostly responsible for its activity is interesting. Finding out that any drug is a pro drug is interesting for that matter - eg tramadol. Also, knowing the liver enzymes responsible for breaking down drugs can also be a good way to draw connections between seemingly unrelated compounds (the number of different drugs that all seem to be targeted by the cytochrome p450 enzyme always astounded me). Good point though. Its always useful to think clearly about concepts and definitions.
 
Glad you survived! ;)

Incidentally, I've sampled the first two of those you mentioned and the AL-LAD would've been a prime TR candidate (albeit that it ended up as a combo with added 2C-C and a dash of 4-AcO-DMT) cos that one was pretty memorable. At least it was at the time - I know I couldn't conjure it up in enough detail to make it a good read at this stage unfortunately. It would be nice to get at least the occasional memorable experience written down. I <3's me drugs and I <3's me words so TRs really should be my thing in terms of combining pleasures and hopefully even providing a modicum of pleasure to anybody reading.

Thanks for bringing it up cos it's something I'd like to bear in mind - and ideally take it that step further into fingers on keyboard too.

Pleasure mate, excuse me for editting your reply so I could say that first.

I'm sure I'm not alone in looking forward to some TR from you then, & of course, best of luck with your new, more responsible regime =D
 
Lol "call me ham and cheese, because I'm on a roll."

6-APB and 5-MAPB are good. dunno about this stuff though
 
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I've suffered a year of brain zaps, depression/anxiety & sleep/appetite disruption after using 5-mapb foolishly in Jan last year... so, personally, I'd avoid ALL "apb" suffixed compounds, but that's just me...
 
Sorry about my wording, I am well aware of the nature of bioavailability, I was asking if anyone had any figures for different administrations.
Opiate WD, slight 5eapb hangover, sleep deprivation and 13 units of alcohol sort of hinders my lexical lucidity, to say the least. :)
 
I've been reading these "New (and less new) research chemicals" threads for almost a year now (I've read every post from at least 3-4 threads) and was really interested if you guys keep track of what drugs you have done in your lives.

if you guy have the time try and post a list at this bluelight list:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...our-Lifetime-(Taking-An-Inventory-Of-Oneself)

I'm especially interested in the lists of swarm, fubar, shambles, kronos, coltdan, babylonboy, knock, ben so furry, transform, mela, ebola and fastnbulbous to see how many research chemicals you guys have done and/or remember doing.

im compiling a list of all the drugs that people from bluelight have taken (based solely on that thread) and you guys would definitely contribute to that list.

so please post the that thread if you have a chance (even if you haven't done that many drugs or are not one of the names I listed, I just listed the names I see who post the most often on these threads)
 
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