EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

[babylonboy]

^You can make it work that way, weigh it before and after, obviously once it's completely dry, so might require more patience than some needle-fetishists have. It's how I'd work out what I was dealing with if washing out a bag of DOC or 3-MeO-PCP or summat.

 

[Shambles]

I've not had to deal with any microgramme-dosed chems in bulk powder form but it'd be those that I'd be worried about preparing solutions of most - one reason I've never gone for bulk forms of anything where dose is quite so vital. For the purposes I mainly have (mostly podgering stuffs dosed in multiple mg which I'm comfortable and experienced with) it seems a reasonable option for me. Alternatively I'll empty the contents onto a piece of paper then cut the sides of the baggie and scrape out any powder that's clinging to the plastic. Get's it all out unless you're anal enough to be worried about specks. Which in the case of fent analogues you would be, of course.

 

[Kronos]

NAh i was semi faking it, the post took 45min to typ, at starrt i was fucked, b ythe end iu was fine, as is with fent. So i oulda chaned it to more readable.

But you guys are righti literally did another tiny bit, after diluting a lot more, aqnd i just got another nice rush but not near OD leveks tgus tune, roblem is id kee going.. and keepo gojng... and keep going and i wouldv ended up dead knowing what i am like, so atfer i had that shot i chucked it down toilket.

Man i feel like a naughty child lol. LEast its done now anyways, i need to get back on my script. the big men have messed up rehab funding local so now im on standby mode for at least 3 months :*

 

[Si Dread]

Ain't it just. Apparently 5-eapb caused a fatality in summer only a short time after it's release, & hasn't gotten particularly good reviews... Tread carefullly.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/01/festivalgoer-death-drug-warning-brownstock

 

[Shambles]

You'd think that a site with our particular specialisms would've found a way around that search issue cos it's always been a nightmare for alphanumeric stuff. It's a technical thing apparently. It is a bit irritating when trying to find stuff sometimes but I think you can work around it (at least somewhat) by searching via Google. Not ideal but at least you turn up some relevant threads even if you do have to trawl through a few to find the one you want sometimes.

 

[Si Dread]

.. & tracking down posts within threads is close to impossible. I either use my post history, which is of limited use, or brain memory, which is highly fallable...

I was about to suggest a normal, old google but you've said it!

 

[Shambles]

Ack. It really is shite when you actively want to go on for treatment and it's simply not available. In my experience, the time between being turned away and whenever it is you're supposed to go back just becomes an excuse to have a bit of a blowout (kinda like an extended "one last hit") so by the time you're due to go back you're in a completely different place mentally and emotionally and often not interested in dropping it all and taking up the place. Give it another few months and you've hit another low point or had another epiphany and funding has run out again. Rinse/repeat. Getting on maintance script is a doddle but getting any treatment beyond that (aside from 12 Step groups which are not to all tastes) takes time and determination.

I think you did the right thing in flushing it, Kronos. Like you say, fenty things are fiendish things and combined with uberpotency it's no wonder they have such a high fatality rate

 

[Shambles]

And I was gonna add that the Google method is only of any use to find threads not posts within threads - great minds and all that

 

[Si Dread]

yeah exactly...

It's worth the effort, on the odd occassion that one tries something new such as 5-eapb, & writes anything of length about the experience, to paste into a thread all of it's own in Trip Reports, which honestly gets alot less traffic than it deserves... Which would make searching for the information in future alot easier.

 

[Shambles]

I never think to do that, y'know. I did once years ago but never gotten around to it since. Frankly, most of the time it's been a bit of a mush of polydrugs anyway so not necessarily ideal for TRs. It is something I could do with considering for any future TR-worthy experiences but have been cutting back fairly drastically on overall drug intake so not got any exciting plans for the foreseeable. You're right that it's a good place for getting firsthand info about drugs in more detail than you usually get in threads though.

 

[Si Dread]

sure, but like you said, sometimes there are "complications" that negate accurate reporting... & sometimes stuff is being titrated & discussed in threads long before a proper TR appears. I must admit, I have no recollection of seeing a Shambles TR but as mentioned, memory is not infallable...

Lets get some Al-Lad, LSz or DOC down ya & you can write us up an hilarious expose!

 

[Albion]

See for yourself: 5-EAPB/135 mg - 6 Lads all Virgins. The maddest night.

 

[Shambles]

^ That one is pretty priceless I must admit :D

(although deciphering it properly would likely take a few readings... and a variety of translation techniques cos it may be in english but there are some rather original word combinations to get yer head around in there :D)

I must admit, I have no recollection of seeing a Shambles TR but as mentioned, memory is not infallable...

Tried to resist, failed. My (so far) one and only TR - IV MDMA (Mostly) – Experienced – Molly Dearest (Mon Amour).

I've often "promised" I was going to write proper TRs (as opposed to just forum posts - albeit some pretty much are TRs if knocked into shape a bit) but have always ended up just taking more drugs mostly. It's a poor show given I'm supposed to be so fond of writing

However, I am working to curb my more excessive excesses and this might just make proper TRs a more likely possibility. I'm still at a fairly early stage of this possible new leaf so am mostly concentrating on just sticking to my newly lowered overall consumption. But this does mean that when I do have a lil splurge it tends to be more self-contained making it more suitable TR material. Thanks for bringing it up cos it's something I'd like to bear in mind - and ideally take it that step further into fingers on keyboard too.

Incidentally, I've sampled the first two of those you mentioned and the AL-LAD would've been a prime TR candidate (albeit that it ended up as a combo with added 2C-C and a dash of 4-AcO-DMT) cos that one was pretty memorable. At least it was at the time - I know I couldn't conjure it up in enough detail to make it a good read at this stage unfortunately. It would be nice to get at least the occasional memorable experience written down. I 's me drugs and I 's me words so TRs really should be my thing in terms of combining pleasures and hopefully even providing a modicum of pleasure to anybody reading.

 

[Swarm]

Shit, sorry man, I didn't mean that to come over as harsh, please accept my apologies. However, I was wondering where you got the 63 degree figure from and now I understand. Yeh, as Babylon boy pointed out in his post above, food doesn't need to be sterile - the purpose of cooking isn't necessarily to kill all bacteria, but to reduce the concentration levels to a point where our stomachs can handle the rest. I dunno if you know or not, it's not bacteria itself which causes problems, it's the waste products produced by their metabolisms - and in sufficient concentrations the waste from certain bacteria can be toxic to us. Similarly, when IVing, a few bacteria can be tolerated because when in the bloodstream they are spread around the body where our immune systems can deal with them. However, IM injections are a totally different kettle of fish, because any bacteria present in the injection are deposited in one spot in the body where, if conditions are conducive, they can thrive and multiply until the colony is large enough to cause a potentially very harmful infection. This is why it is extremely important to have a sterile solution for IM injections, though as long as the water you use to make the solution is sterile, then there is unlikely to be any problems with bacteria from the drug that is being put into solution as long as it has been been kept cool & dry as most pathogenic bacteria are water borne.

(disclaimer): I'm willing to be corrected on any of the above as I am by no means an expert, I just have a couple of years of microbiology experience.

Its all good man. I meant it as a complement anyway. You're obviously a knowledgeable guy and secure enough to not have to try and trash me while setting me straight. I have to say that my biggest gripe with BL is the number of wasted opportunities for decent discussion - science or anything for that matter. The amount of energy some people waste in trying to trip each other up, rather than put their heads together, fucking kills me.

Yeah the part you wrote concerning the dangers of IV infection vs IM due to localisation makes a lot of sense. I also had a quick look on the net the other night after your post reply and the number you gave (121 degrees was it?) kept coming up so that's another good thing I've learned.

I'm a bit of a physics nut, especially when it comes to temperature. Whenever I'm cooking anything I like to hover over the pan with a food probe pretending I'm Ludvig Boltzmann. I know that 63 degrees is high enough energy to denature the proteins in the meat so I always assumed that it would also be sufficient to denature the proteins inside the bacteria aswell.

However, I'll be the first to admit that I am no microbiologist by any stretch. The single most important thing I've learned in the ten odd years I've studied science is to expect the unexpected. I'm looking forward to getting into this whole area much more when I get a chance as this has definitely brought up a whole bunch of questions I never even thought about until a couple of days ago.

 

[swampdragon]

Best trip report ever.

 

[Ben So Furry]

I have to say that my biggest gripe with BL is the number of wasted opportunities for decent discussion - science or anything for that matter. The amount of energy some people waste in trying to trip each other up, rather than put their heads together, fucking kills me.

Agreed.

 

[Shambles]

*almost resists vanity's urge to ask which one ms dragon is referring to, then realises that nothing is gonna beat the 6 virgins one*

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

And PM me your bitcoin address mate, i'm gonnaa buy you a pony

Nah, I'm not into horses man - make it a 1969 T120 Bonneville (US spec) and yer talkin'

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Its all good man. I meant it as a complement anyway. You're obviously a knowledgeable guy and secure enough to not have to try and trash me while setting me straight. I have to say that my biggest gripe with BL is the number of wasted opportunities for decent discussion - science or anything for that matter. The amount of energy some people waste in trying to trip each other up, rather than put their heads together, fucking kills me.

Yeah the part you wrote concerning the dangers of IV infection vs IM due to localisation makes a lot of sense. I also had a quick look on the net the other night after your post reply and the number you gave (121 degrees was it?) kept coming up so that's another good thing I've learned.

I'm a bit of a physics nut, especially when it comes to temperature. Whenever I'm cooking anything I like to hover over the pan with a food probe pretending I'm Ludvig Boltzmann. I know that 63 degrees is high enough energy to denature the proteins in the meat so I always assumed that it would also be sufficient to denature the proteins inside the bacteria aswell.

However, I'll be the first to admit that I am no microbiologist by any stretch. The single most important thing I've learned in the ten odd years I've studied science is to expect the unexpected. I'm looking forward to getting into this whole area much more when I get a chance as this has definitely brought up a whole bunch of questions I never even thought about until a couple of days ago.

Hey, thanks for the compliment man, but I'm not knowledgeable at all - I just know what I think I know, and I'm willing to stand corrected on that any time.. That's what I like about this site; there are so many very clever people posting here - you think you know something, then someone else just completely blows your mind. Like you, I'm always ready to learn something new.

 

[Swarm]

Hey, thanks for the compliment man,

Anytime dude, with the second coming of the black death apparently on its way the least we can do is keep morale high (I think there's atleast some evidence this supports the immune system ). But seriously, always glad to meet a kindred spirit.

@ Ben So Furry
Hey man how's it going? Haven't seen you about in ages. This ofcourse is not terribly surprising as I fell off the grid myself for a few months. If I remember correctly I imposed a BL posting ban on myself in the wake of hitting the wall with drugs and temporarily getting clean. Not that that was the reason I stopped posting, however, sober reflection revealed to me that I had been posting nothing but self indulgent angry monologues for atleast 3 months or so previously and i therefore decided to give everyone a bit of rest bite.

But yeah how's it going man? All good?