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F.U.B.A.R. said:
Recently handed my notice in to work for another company.

Boss man is begging me to stay because I'm apparently the ideal employee.

If only he fuckin knew...
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Maybe you could use this to your advantage and negotiate a better deal for yourself, more pay, or more paid holidays?

It shows how much you've turned your life around though, if your boss thinks your the ideal employee. (IIRC you have publicly stated that you used to have a heroin habit, and have also had an issue with alcohol. He'd probably be utterly shocked by the former in particular.)

I think a number of ex-heavy substance users, who've now got things much more under control, can make very good employees, as many of us have probably experienced being sacked and finding it difficult to get work at the peak of our usage, and maybe going through those kind of experiences gives us some kind of work ethic or something, that some others just don't have. Not saying we're all perfect by any means though, as occasionally I do have to remind myself that I should be thankful that I have a job. When I'm all grumpy about having to get up early to go to work some mornings.
 
Bleaney said:
Maybe you could use this to your advantage and negotiate a better deal for yourself, more pay, or more paid holidays?
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Even if they matched what I've been offered from this other company, I still wouldn't stay. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery.

But for anyone wanting a new direction, I would highly recommend pest control. There are so many vacancies out there and all you need is a driving licence. Then once you've gained the necessary qualifications, you can literally walk into any other company as the industry is crying out for experienced technicians. I've never been asked for references, and I don't know of any company that carries out drug testing (probably because they would have no staff left ;)).

If you're a bit of a loner, like a lot of variety, and are not squeamish, it's ideal.

Having said all that, it's certainly not an easy ride. Staff turnover is high because they'll pretty much employ anyone - even ex-cons (but you probably won't get a gun). A lot of people join because they 'like killing shit', then find out it's too demanding.
 
How's your job hunting going @Perkins : Reborn, and how are you finding the jobs market in the area at the moment?

That's if you're comfortable talking about it. Completely understand if you'd rather not.

Unfortunately, I may well be joining you on the 'rock and roll' quite soon..

I've been put on a PIP at work, essentially for not being fast enough at certain organisational tasks.

The manager keeps proposing and promising things to help, but so far I've only ended up receiving partial fractions of the helpful suggestions he's mentioned, and for fraction of the time periods he's mentioned. I'm feeling like my cards are marked, and the whole thing is just a box ticking exercise for them to get rid of me. Although as I'm not in a union, I think the Ts and Cs are that they can just get rid of you without even needing to provide a reason. I'll have to look into that.

I've kind of completely lost my positivity at the moment, this is now the 2nd time an employer has put me on a PIP. With the previous one I took it to HR and successfully challenged it, as they'd put me on that PIP after about a week or 2 into a new role, which was blatantly absurd and unfair, to not give me any time to learn the role and get up to speed. A few months afterwards, I ended up getting a fairly decent redundancy package from that company anyway, and I was so happy. I fucking hated that job, and getting paid about 3 months redundancy, it was a nice financial cushion. And the best possible outcome as far as I was concerned.

I really thought that I would be putting all these kinds of problems behind me since starting the ADHD meds though. I guess things still aren't quite right. It's hitting me hard, and I'm crashing. Although it seems to me that there are people with worse performances than mine, just I'm being targeted at the moment. It's a surprisingly demanding role, and things are only going to get more so, as cost cutting, and efficiency drives will continue to increase work loads.

I might speak to the employers mental wellbeing service, it's meant to be confidential, and it might help. Although I theoretically have the opportunity to improve, or to maybe move into another role, with my attitude at the moment, I may as well just tell them to sack me now. I can't really just quit, as that would likely cause all sorts of issues with not being able to claim benefits for up to 3 months, due to me having left voluntarily (If i did). I doubt if the "decision maker" would consider leaving a job, due to strongly suspecting that I was going to be fired, to be a good reason. Although to me it seems a very good reason, better to have 'resigned' written on the reference, rather than 'dismissed', although I think the employer may well just state that I worked for the company between certain dates, and no more and no less. I think that's what they do for everyone, and seems to be common practice these days across many employers. I hope that's what your ex-employer will do for you, although I'm sure you could find ways round it, even if not.

But without having 'dismissed' stated on your previous reference, it would surely make getting the next job easier, as you could just make anything up, as to why you left.

Really not sure whether to disclose my Autism and ADHD, or just my Autism, or just the ADHD, and ask for accommodations with my current employer. Which is supposed to be a legally protected right, under the disability act. But I know that in practice most people's experiences with trying that route do not go well. I may have to try it for the sake of the benfits agency, otherwise they'll probably ask me why I didn't, and may sanction me for failing to do that, if I don't do it.
 
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The job market is absolutely shite. I use Indeed and the jobs on there are numerous, but look closer and they're in Warrington, Widnes, even West Yorkshire. Unless you want to do telesales or debt collection, the pickings are slim. I had numerous interviews last year, but very few this year.

Also, there are shitloads of young graduates looking for the same jobs, and employers can stick them on a lower wage than you might ask for. This will get worse in May / June.

I feel for you being singled out for being different from the illusory 'norm'. When I was attempting to appeal my dismissal, I found that three members of staff found me intimidating, despite being sweetness and light to my face. These were all people in their twenties who had joined recently. Nobody else was scared of me, because I'm a sweetheart who just happens to have a dark sense of humour. But these people grew up in a different world; one that's far less accepting of actual eccentricity.

We now have 'non-binary' people in terms of gender, but younger people are more binary in their thinking than any previous generation. Perhaps if I'd been more forthcoming with my pronouns it would have been a different story. I don't know.

EDIT: As for employers' wellbeing services, I was discharged because they don't do major mental illness or pre-existing conditions because of insurance. But they sent a sensationalised write-up to my GP saying I was dangerous. Cheers guys. GP told me never to speak to them again.

Remember they're there to protect the employer, not you.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
But these people grew up in a different world; one that's far less accepting of actual eccentricity.
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Ah, you mean the butthurt snowflake wimps with no sense of humour, no self reflection, and are constantly offended by everything that doesn't fit their narrow world view.

Unfortunately, employers are more focused on pandering to these idiots than employing people that can get shit done.

The irony is, that these types are always banging on about tolerance to neurodiversity, but shit themselves when they meet others that aren't exactly like them.

Hypocrisy at its finest...


(Thankfully, there's none of this bollocks in pest control, yet - probably because they'd flounce off at the mere sight of a spider :LOL: )
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
Ah, you mean the butthurt snowflake wimps with no sense of humour, no self reflection, and are constantly offended by everything that doesn't fit their narrow world view.

Unfortunately, employers are more focused on pandering to these idiots than employing people that can get shit done.

The irony is, that these types are always banging on about tolerance to neurodiversity, but shit themselves when they meet others that aren't exactly like them.

Hypocrisy at its finest...


(Thankfully, there's none of this bollocks in pest control, yet - probably because they'd flounce off at the mere sight of a spider :LOL: )
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I see them on the daily and they don’t like it when I give them the harsh truth.

Wee fannies!
 
I have to say, as a member of the fanny generation, there is a total lack of insight and ability to look further a field.

My life improved when I opened my eyes further beyond myself, and was willing to concede criticism.

I would have had no chance whatsoever, and I dread to think how awful my life would be versus what it is now (which as much as I whine and moan still to this day, is exceptional)

It’s difficult as a lot of these narrow minded views come from the fallacy it’s protecting individuality.

As well as not understanding perceptions do not correlate with reality. Perceptions hold people in prisons of self crafted misery.

It’s a important point but I find it blinds people my age.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
In my (dubious) opinion, there is a severe lack of stoicism within the millenial generation.

However, I also realise that every old cunt has said this about the young'uns throughout history,
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I don't think it's a dubious opinion.

Although like you say, maybe the older generation could have said the same about any younger generation, going back a long time.

Maybe Stoicism is something that develops with experience, or practice, although some people probably are just more stoic by nature.

It could also be down to over protective parents who do too much for their kids, and so they don't help the kids in the long run, as they learn much later than they might otherwise have done, that adversities are just part of life, and that a 'problem solving' mind set can be adopted to help overcome them, rather than self-pityingly wallowing in the misery of the adversity. I dunno though, maybe the parents figure that that is something the child, or young adult, needs to figure out for themselves. (Maybe that kind of thing was just similar to my own experience, and isn't a very common or general thing, I'm not sure. Although I do suspect it applies to quite a number of young people who enter adulthood lacking stoicism and the ability to deal with adversity.)

Stoicism is perhaps the one single most helpful attitude and outlook to adopt in life for most people imho. It can particularly help us neurodivergent folk, as to other people we must often seem extremely "precious", what with being bothered by crowds, noises, getting interrupted, bright lights, certain fabrics, and foods, and a whole list of other things that are just trivial to most people. We can't help it that our nervous systems tend to be over-sensitive, for lack of a better term, but I guess we can try to adopt more helpful mindsets, or at least try to bare them in mind.
 
One of the worst things about the generation that is now in their twenties is that they're more or less incapable of coping with nuanced opinions. Their attention span is infinitesimal, and they often jump on you before you've even finished a sentence.

Which feeds into the polarisation that's also poisoning public discourse. You're either this or that and fuck anything more subtle and balanced. That's how we end up with Hamas apologists who wouldn't last an afternoon under Hamas. Really scary stuff.
 
I gathered the energy to submit a tribunal for PIP.

Fucking wankers, but in better news I’ve nearly finished my course and will have the certification for being a Personal Trainer.

I need to research if I can get anymore qualifications for free without having to go in debt.

I do want to study something, but not sure what. I’ve got loads of experience and years of self taught PT stuff with training and nutrition etc.

I guess just keep going that way.. I don’t have many other ideas.

I’ve finished half of the chambers in the revolver (3 Albums, 4 Books, 2 Qualifications)

Something to do I guess.
 
Does anyone have recent experience with new ESA?

I felt a bit bad for the taxpayer and I have a shitload of NI contributions, so I thought I'd replace the bulk of UC with that. I've obviously qualified, but no money yet.

Universal Credit want little to do with me at the moment; I'm on 10 hours job search a week (they usually want 37.5) and my next remote appointment is four weeks after the last.

Feels a lot like the Thatcher/ Major days when people were gently prodded toward the sick.
 
No, but that's a good result surely. Many people struggle to get on sickness related benefits as opposed to JSAs.

Perhaps this is due to appreciating that it's a tough jobs market at the moment, from what everybody tells me.

It sounds like there's far less of that time wasting bollocks just applying for random jobs that you've no interest in, nor hope of getting, just so that there's enough activity on that site that your meant to be logging every action of your 37.5 hours, to hopefully avoid getting sanctioned.

It just wasted so much time, and was so pointless, demoralising, and depressing, I recall from a few years ago.

Fortunately the last time or 2 that I was unemployed, I signed up for 'new style job seekers allowance' which is a similarly minimal contact thing, you don't have to log everything you do, and there was a fortnightly phone check in for about 10 minutes, just discussing any applications, and interviews etc.

You just need to have at least 2 years of NI contributions over the last 2 annual years to be able claim that, but ESA is possibly better, as it might involve higher payments, or the possibility of higher payments, if you go down the PIP route, although I gather that is a total nightmare to qualify. With people with strongest cases for qualifying just automatically getting rejected as a matter of course. Just to force people to have to appeal, probably hoping to put people off, by demoralising them at the first hurdle.
 
Well the PIP outsource assessors called me unannounced on Wednesday just to go over a few things. Totally reassuring and sympathetic woman. She said she'll do her best to get it through the DWP, who are the final obstacle. I had evidence going back years.

Looks as though her decision was near enough made and I'll avoid a 2-3 hour assessment. Although the DWP might now drag their heels, as they do.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Does anyone have recent experience with new ESA?

I felt a bit bad for the taxpayer and I have a shitload of NI contributions, so I thought I'd replace the bulk of UC with that. I've obviously qualified, but no money yet.

Universal Credit want little to do with me at the moment; I'm on 10 hours job search a week (they usually want 37.5) and my next remote appointment is four weeks after the last.

Feels a lot like the Thatcher/ Major days when people were gently prodded toward the sick.
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Never heard of this before not sure if it’s worth me looking into.

I was paying quite alot of NI as I was a manager for a while and my last job that I quit I was temporarily team leading and was doing 50 hour weeks..

I’ve applied for the LcWRA, as I’ve had to go all the way with PIP with a tribunal..

UC have been extremely kind, before I did the LCWRA and had a note that got me 3 months exempt from appointments, I was only doing a 10 min face to face meeting weekly, then a fornitely call once I started a free level 2 course they offer.

However from the get go I submitted my Diagnosis and they were extremely gentle, I never had to document any work searches, but I was on zero hour when I first claimed as I stepped down from a 28 hour contract to bank worker.

And when I quit the bank work, no pressures at all.. but I disclosed all my disability and mental health diagnosis from the start.
 
I'd either talk to someone as to whether you'd be better off, or just do the application. It's all online and about twenty minutes.

This is the first time I've claimed health benefits for stuff that's been going on for decades. If it goes to plan, I'll definitely be looking at work, but only for something decent.

Besides, I need to fill my days, and the local girl's sixth form is a bit of a walk away.
 
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