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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

Zopiclone bandit said:
I got access to amazing gear, the latest batch tastes of that dirt / fish flavour & you ITCH so badly.
It has some real legs on it as we say round here (it has legs means something has a real kick to it)
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What part of the country are you in?

Are you also on a methadone script?

I know a guy round my area who's not on a script and he's even finding it shite.
 
Gaz_hmmmm said:
What part of the country are you in?
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West Midlands
Gaz_hmmmm said:
Are you also on a methadone script?
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Hell NO, I Refuse to swap one thing for another. I have seen many people who have been on Meth for years have their script cut for pissing dirty & left to be sick.
Also over 90% of the workers have NO experience of being an addict, their knowledge of it comes from a book which is bullshit. You can read a book about how to drive a car for a year BUT it isn't till you actually get into the driving seat & have to feed the clutch in etc that you will understand how you drive, you follow my Logic here?

My mate has been on 60mg of Methadone for years, the clinic tested him & he pissed dirty, he told them he still has a couple of bags per day, they now have him marked down as a "High Risk" of overdose, it is insanity.
Gaz_hmmmm said:
I know a guy round my area who's not on a script and he's even finding it shite.
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The stuff I ma getting is very good, the guys line is ringing off the hook, like today I rang him & it took 6 goes to speak to him as it's ringing none-stop. The gear is very light in colour, it's a very light tan colour, almost a dull white & runs so clean. I will take a photo of the next bag I open up to show you what it is like.

The last few days on the night I've not made it to my bed & "woke up" on the sofa at 3,4,5am from a very deep nod.
 
I occassionaly have cause to talk to my local HR agency and almost every time they will vouchsafe that the H on the streets is getting stronger. I have no idea if this is because nitazenes pose a commercial threat or if there is internal competition. I don't think any of them actually have experience.

I know from the actions of friends that keeping up a habit is a skill-set in it's own right. I was always amazed at just how much planning goes into it.
 
aesthetic.addict said:
Haven't been craving H since I took some ketamin (0.5g in total) during wednesday and thursday night. Now it's sunday afternoon and still no cravings. I usually don't go an hour without thinking about it since the last 4 months. Such a relief.
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MXE, Ketamine & 4-MeO-PCP all have this effect.

MXE could have been better than Methadone to get people clean but some Twat went & jumped into the Canal & died on it hence it was banned.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
MXE could have been better than Methadone to get people clean but some Twat went & jumped into the Canal & died on it hence it was banned.
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I read pond, but let us not disagree - Twat is something we can agree on and, after all, is the important bit.

I keep on pointing out and @fastandbulbous keeps on repeating that CXME is, as far as we are able to tell, is likely the best MXE substitute. It's in a patent but the key detail is that it overlays both ketamine and methoxetamine by virtue of having both a 2-chloro and a 5-methoxy (patent says alkoxy so yes, ethoxy would also work) substitution of the aromatic (benzene ring).

We also asked each other why Parke Davis issued over 150 patents on ketamine and ketamine homologues but they only ever covered -Cl (chloro) and -OCH2X (alkoxy) ring substitutions. It's well known within the industry that if you don't patent every possible homologue, someone else is free to obtain a patent... but they didn't make the -Br (bromo) or -F (fluoro) homologues of ketamine. We do not know why they didn't. But it seems quite likely that they had access to a lot more data that us so absence of those homologues may be for good reasons.

But as it is, ketamine is now SO CHEAP on the black market that RC vendors are looking for cheap, not good. I mean, nobody knows how potent CMXE is in man but again, search the discussion, the concludion is that it's almost certainly more potent than MXE so maybe three or four times more potent than K and legal in most places... BUT more costly that monosubstituted examples. That's a given.
 
Since the discussion has sidetracked to dissociatives, does anyone have any experience of DXM, or Dextromethorphan?

Someone calling himself Yung Psychonaut on youtube constantly raves about the stuff! He does indeed seem relatively young, and I doubt whether it will compare well to MXE or Ket considering it's easily and legally available OTC.

Also it's said to pose a risk of serotonin syndrome if combined with SSRIs. I often feel these warnings are overstated and come to nothing. But sometimes they do actually need to be heeded. It's just knowing when.

That's the problem when so many thing get flagged as a potential risk, and then nothing bad happens. It tends to make people (at least me) disregard these type of warnings, or take them with a pinch of salt at least.
 
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Bleaney said:
Since the discussion has sidetracked to dissociatives, does anyone have any experience of DXM, or Dextromethorphan?

Someone calling himself Yung Psychonaut on youtube constantly raves about the stuff! He does indeed seem relatively young, and I doubt whether it will compare well to MXE or Ket considering it's easily and legally available OTC.

Also it's said to pose a risk of serotonin syndrome if combined with SSRIs. I often feel these warnings are overstated and come to nothing. But sometimes they do actually need to be heeded. It's just knowing when.

That's the problem when so many thing get flagged as a potential risk, and then nothing bad happens. It tends to make people (at least me) disregard these type of warnings, or take them with a pinch of salt at least.
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I have done DXM in Syrup from Boots & also Pure DXM Powder, I lack this "Dextromethorphan is a nonopioid antitussive metabolized by cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6) to an active metabolite, dextrorphan. CYP2D6 is polymorphically expressed in humans, with 5 to 10% of Caucasians being homozygous deficient for the active form of the enzyme." so when I do DXM it doesn't break down right in my body, the first time I did pure DXM it did nothing & I did nearly a gram, the next time I did 300mg & was so fucked it is beyond words.

It is HORRIBLE, truly the worst & gutter high possible, it makes you itch so badly but NOT like a good hit of Heroin, it is more the itch you get from an allergic reaction, it takes your Ego & dumps a flaming bag of Dog shit on it but NOT in a nice way, it is just truly horrible.

When you have come down it has the same kind of feeling you have when done a ton of N2) in you can feel the damage in your brain, you feel slow & a bit like a comedown from Glue, the only thing I am cautious of is Salvia but DXM & in my case DXO is something I REFUSE 100% to ever do again.

If you are going to try it go ahead but DON'T go into it thinking it is anything like the usual suspects such as Ketamine etc.......
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Is it covered by the NPS Act in the UK?
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It indeed would be. But the NPS Act has some serious flaws. How would a prosecution prove that a novel compound is psychoactive in man? So it can only really be used when a compound has reached the street and their is enough extant evidence to prove that it IS active.

But until then...
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I have done DXM in Syrup from Boots & also Pure DXM Powder, I lack this "Dextromethorphan is a nonopioid antitussive metabolized by cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6) to an active metabolite, dextrorphan. CYP2D6 is polymorphically expressed in humans, with 5 to 10% of Caucasians being homozygous deficient for the active form of the enzyme." so when I do DXM it doesn't break down right in my body, the first time I did pure DXM it did nothing & I did nearly a gram, the next time I did 300mg & was so fucked it is beyond words.

It is HORRIBLE, truly the worst & gutter high possible, it makes you itch so badly but NOT like a good hit of Heroin, it is more the itch you get from an allergic reaction, it takes your Ego & dumps a flaming bag of Dog shit on it but NOT in a nice way, it is just truly horrible.

When you have come down it has the same kind of feeling you have when done a ton of N2) in you can feel the damage in your brain, you feel slow & a bit like a comedown from Glue, the only thing I am cautious of is Salvia but DXM & in my case DXO is something I REFUSE 100% to ever do again.

If you are going to try it go ahead but DON'T go into it thinking it is anything like the usual suspects such as Ketamine etc.......
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Yeah, I had a hunch it wasnt going to be all that great - or it would have banned. Pretty much End Of. It sounds like the nutmeg of dissociatives :\

This Yung Psuchonaut guy does seem to have quite a lot of experience, but he's not up to the experience of the average EADDer imho. (We're mostly ageing wreckheads extraordinaire, past, present, or future :roll eyes:.) He didnt even know the difference between Tramadol and Odsmt until I pointed it out to him. I think you or I could do a better channel than him tbh lol, but I cant just waffle on easily for 20 minutes at a time like some people can. I'd probably have to script it all out first, which would become a chore very quickly.

Also I highly doubt whether youtube would allow such content to be monetised, and I would potentially be attracting teh attention of the boys in blue etc.....
 
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ageingpartyfiend said:
same just in reverse, in my case I'm cautious of dxm and it's Salvia that every fibre of my being would utterly refuse 123% to do ever again (shudder..................................
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Care to elaborate?

Salvia can be really extreme sometimes but I always feel good for it. It's like a really hard massage but for your mind, sometimes uncomfortable and it feels good when it stops. And you realise you're not lost in that dimension forever.
 
4DQSAR said:
It indeed would be. But the NPS Act has some serious flaws. How would a prosecution prove that a novel compound is psychoactive in man? So it can only really be used when a compound has reached the street and their is enough extant evidence to prove that it IS active.

But until then...
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That got me thinking very hard.
 
Bleaney said:
It sounds like the nutmeg of dissociatives
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LOL

You got it 100% correct, Nutmeg is another I'd NEVER do again, I laughed so much at the experience @F.U.B.A.R. had with that damn stuff.
I learned about it from a book & despite it saying people find it rough I decided I'm made of stronger stuff & I would be ok.......turned out my Logic was a little wrong.

You tried Nutmeg?
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
same just in reverse, in my case I'm cautious of dxm and it's Salvia that every fibre of my being would utterly refuse 123% to do ever again (shudder......................................
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How did you find DXM?
What happened when you did Salvia? I would think twice if offered to smoke 5-MeO-DMT again yet if I had N,N DMT I'd chain smoke that stuff till the Clown faced Aliens arrived to tell me the secrets of the Universe.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
LOL

You got it 100% correct, Nutmeg is another I'd NEVER do again, I laughed so much at the experience @F.U.B.A.R. had with that damn stuff.
I learned about it from a book & despite it saying people find it rough I decided I'm made of stronger stuff & I would be ok.......turned out my Logic was a little wrong.

You tried Nutmeg?
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No, @F.U.B.A.R.'s write up was all I needed to know too. However, before reading that I had bought a spice jar with like 6 whole nutmegs in it, some time over lockdown I think. And then the more I found out the more put off I became. It's the length of time the stuff takes to kick in, and then the effects go on for ever, and it takes days to recover from. If the high was fantastic it might almost be worth it, but it sounds like it's horrific, and then there's all the other downsides too. All minuses and no plusses.

I dunno, I guess if I was in prison or something, or struggling with endless long days for some other reeason, I might try it, but otherwise it's a hard pass from me.

Luckily I have access to multiple things that offer a better experience. Which doesnt sound difficult lol. Unless you're into psychological masochism.
 
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