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EADD Heroin Discussion V18 - Wax on-Wax off-Beetle-down-Beetle up (Hiyer zaramorph)

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I'm hesitant to use heroin as a painkiller for my broken nose/generally injured body seeing as no one at the hospital would give me anything, me being a worthless druggie and all that. But that seems like a really stupid idea that'll just turn into an excuse for daily use again...but I dunno what to do, it hurts like hell. Ack :(
 
Pagey it sounds like an excuse to me. And I think you know that.

Plenty of people have broken their nose and not had opiate based painkillers let alone heroin. Do take ibrofen for the swelling, I know people excuse the pun 'turn their nose' at ibprofen but do take it for the swelling. Get codeine if you must. But heroin. Come on, really!?!

Sometimes things are painful but you can't just go right let's take some heroin, especially as this broken nose will not be a long term thing.
 
I can't take ibuprofen, I OD'ed on that a few months ago and it makes me really sick. I've tried codeine and it does nothing and I don't have access to other painkillers. It's a bit hard to sit around with broken bones and bruises everywhere when you have a painkiller around so no, actually, it's not entirely an excuse, thanks for the judgement though.

edit: fuck forget it, you're probably trying to help but I'm not in any kind of mood to hear anything so I'll just get off here.
 
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Hey Pagey, I might be the last one to give you any advice as I'm chipping again, but at least you should be honest with yourself.

A broken nose is painful, bruises are, but not every painfuk condition - especially when it only lasts for some days or weeks - has to be treated with strong painkillers. I had several bone fractures throughout my life and I never got an opiate as a painkiller for it.

I guess I can relate to your situation a bit. You struggled really hard to stay sober, you slipped and then those assholes in the hospital give you that "You're just a dirty junkie"-treatment after all. You indeed have some pain - and you know how all those physical and emotional pains could be treated. Of course you think of heroin now, it's just natural.

I don't want to tell you what to do. If heroin is what you want, it's your choice and no one should judge you for it. But if you want to treat the physical pain, there are a lot of different options. You could ask for another NSAID than Ibuprofen, maybe Diclofenac or Etoricoxib, I don't know what is available there. You could get some subs if you really need a strong painkiller. But jumping from ibuprofen to heroin is a bit rash, isn't it?
 
VanWeyden said:
Hey Pagey, I might be the last one to give you any advice as I'm chipping again, but at least you should be honest with yourself.

A broken nose is painful, bruises are, but not every painfuk condition - especially when it only lasts for some days or weeks - has to be treated with strong painkillers. I had several bone fractures throughout my life and I never got an opiate as a painkiller for it.

I guess I can relate to your situation a bit. You struggled really hard to stay sober, you slipped and then those assholes in the hospital give you that "You're just a dirty junkie"-treatment after all. You indeed have some pain - and you know how all those physical and emotional pains could be treated. Of course you think of heroin now, it's just natural.

I don't want to tell you what to do. If heroin is what you want, it's your choice and no one should judge you for it. But if you want to treat the physical pain, there are a lot of different options. You could ask for another NSAID than Ibuprofen, maybe Diclofenac or Etoricoxib, I don't know what is available there. You could get some subs if you really need a strong painkiller. But jumping from ibuprofen to heroin is a bit rash, isn't it?
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I think you're so right. Once you know about heroin, you start to treat every little niggle with it, , I take it for toothache, period pains, aches and pains, coughs and colds and other ailments. I don't really have to or need to. Same in the cold, when the weather changes a bag warms you up nicely.
 
VanWeyden said:
Hey Pagey, I might be the last one to give you any advice as I'm chipping again, but at least you should be honest with yourself.

A broken nose is painful, bruises are, but not every painfuk condition - especially when it only lasts for some days or weeks - has to be treated with strong painkillers. I had several bone fractures throughout my life and I never got an opiate as a painkiller for it.

I guess I can relate to your situation a bit. You struggled really hard to stay sober, you slipped and then those assholes in the hospital give you that "You're just a dirty junkie"-treatment after all. You indeed have some pain - and you know how all those physical and emotional pains could be treated. Of course you think of heroin now, it's just natural.

I don't want to tell you what to do. If heroin is what you want, it's your choice and no one should judge you for it. But if you want to treat the physical pain, there are a lot of different options. You could ask for another NSAID than Ibuprofen, maybe Diclofenac or Etoricoxib, I don't know what is available there. You could get some subs if you really need a strong painkiller. But jumping from ibuprofen to heroin is a bit rash, isn't it?
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I know not every painful condition has to be treated with strong painkillers. I've broken over a dozen bones and never had any strong painkillers for them. I've never used heroin for pain either. However I can't take any kind of NSAID (sorry, should have made that clear, it's not just ibuprofen), codeine's done nothing and I don't have any other painkillers at hand. I know I could deal with it in 'normal' conditions but on a massive stim comedown, pretty much unable to move and after being treated like a worthless piece of shit by about 20 different nurses and doctors it's hard.
The good news being it turns out I can't get out of bed anyway so I won't be able to go score. A friend also told me heroin would make my concussion hurt a billion times more so I wouldn't anyway.
Thanks for being understanding.
 
perhaps i should have added I used to treat all ailments with heroin. lol at the cold weather, so so true.

yeah expect to be treated like shit. number one its not that your a junkie scumbag its more, you did drugs got messed up and now your taking up a hospital bed. So they treat you like shit to try and teach you a lesson. Right or Wrong its what happens.
 
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Nah don't worry, sorry for getting mad...it's just like I said, I'd just gotten out of the hospital after being insulted over and over again by everyone there so I just couldn't take anyone disagreeing with me haha. Sorry.

Yeah it's ridiculous really, no idea how they even expect that kinda treatment to teach you anything other than doctors are assholes but well...
 
I just collected a little over half a gram, well it worked out at .66. It a pity my tolerance is so high, but I still got a lovely kick out of it; however, as nice as it was that it a fair bit to be cooking up in one go. Especially since I don't use it daily, really it is only once a week that I partake of a bit H. I think it says something about the quality of stuff in Dublin at the moment.

Don't get me wrong I have a nice buzz right now; 3bbags on one spoon is something I certainly couldn't be doing every day. I certainly got a lovely rush out of it, but I have a high tolerance from methadone daily, so it does mean that I have to use more on the occasions I do take a bit.
 
He went back to his room and sat down on the bed. Then it hit him like heavy silent snow. All the gray junk yesterdays. He sat there received the immaculate fix. And since he was himself a priest, there was no need to call one. - William S Burroughs

My man just came through, I am getting SO SICK of this daily shit, it's getting to the point where it is driving me slowly mad.
I really think this habit this time around will be one of my last, I am getting so fed up & see no way out, but I keep going back.

Hit a fucking Arterie yesterday & my right arm is still fucked, my veins are shot & when I do have a crank my mate can dig around for ages till I see "Rubys" shoot in.

Running round from 10am knowing I am on a clock clicking down till the point comes where I won't be able to anything but thrash around in pain, shit everywhere, vomit etc.......

I really think some people are addicted for life, I've been on & off for 11 years now. Everything it has cost me & all the people i've known that aint here anymore yet I still carry on, I have to ask why do I still do it?

Yeah I guess this should belong in TDS but fuck it, that part of BL I find wallow in self pity, I know I am a opiate addict & only have myself to blame I guess.

Fuck sorry to rant, some days even Bodda gets a dark mood.
 
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Pagey said:
Nah don't worry, sorry for getting mad...it's just like I said, I'd just gotten out of the hospital after being insulted over and over again by everyone there so I just couldn't take anyone disagreeing with me haha. Sorry.

Yeah it's ridiculous really, no idea how they even expect that kinda treatment to teach you anything other than doctors are assholes but well...
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Sorry,but I do agree with the others about it being an excuse
myself,I spend most of my time that I am not using,looking for excuses to use
in the end we are only fooling ourselves
tbh,i find that if I have a migraine or toothache or some other pain,best painkiller is paracetamol
I cannot take ibuprofen cos of stomach ulcer but paracetamol is more effective than gear
but I do have to try some gear too just so I know it is 'real' pain and not just pain because i'm dope-sick

*also,haven't tried the gabapentin yet-is my mum's-she is worried cos she took 2 last night and it wiped her out-she's old so doesn't like to spend her day sleeping
doesn't help that I woke my parents in the night-shouting at my nightmares
will maybe try it soon
 
I am so fucking done with this game, had to go stand in the pissing rain for 20 mins & soaked to the skin. I was sick anyway & was freezing cold & the guy turns up then runs his mouth about me waiting. Well if he had been on time I wouldn't have been waiting that amount of time & bringing heat on the thing.

Get back into the yard & the guy I am with drops all the gear into the cup & cooks the lot right away, I've got no new/clean 1ml's at all, cut a long story short I had to re-use a 2ml & go in my hand due to the state I am in atm which as everyone will know aint very nice.
I know this place is H.R. BUT I am NOT saying to use a 2ml into your hand is a good idea, it's fucking retarded people, take my advice DO NOT do it.

I am so sick of this game, the only issue is you have to wait at least a week before you can get a script round here, sometimes it can be up to 3 weeks, I want to quit today, I had the chance a few days ago when the new Mrs Farmaz was going to help me but she has NO clue what a rattle is like & I said before the gear I am using for the last few moths is of a high quality so I know this detox is going to be GRIM & a very pain filled few days.

I will not lie, I am very worried, I would go as far as to say I am bricking myself cause I know how bad it will be, it's getting to the point in my life I wanna have kids, get married etc but the gear will stop me from doing that.
 
backroll said:
You aint tempted by some maintenance treatment?

Fuck knows how you are going to keep finding the readies for this habit pal
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when I lived in a different area,I was told by addiction services that maintenance is not an option and that the gov had said that they estimate 1 month of treatment for every year you have been using
they said everyone should be looking at reducing their script with a view to getting clean and maintenance scripts were a thing of the past
it was only when i was in prison that I was offered a maintenance script-I know not all prisons have the same policy but the one I was at allowed anyone-even lifers-to stay on their prescribed methadone dose for as long as they want
 
Acid4Blood said:
Nope. It's definately wrong!
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Hiya! :) Yeah, VanWeyden said Ritalin isn't a benzo alright. I'm pretty sure that Rohypnol is the culprit anyway, judging by the fact that mine & my Boyfriends drugs tests are both coming back positive for benzo when we've only used "heroin." And also coz of the strong drugged up, sleepy feeling that the gear gave us. The stuff been sold as heroin is a very strong drug, it knocked me out! But its not strong heroin..... :(

I've been driving myself crazy lately reading two books from a great author I found called Tony O'Neill. He was strung out for years, he used heroin, crack and anything else he could get his hands on. So, his books are very realistic. When he describes getting out of his head, he describes it so vividly. The way he talks about the highs and the lows makes me feel like I'm going through them myself. Although I guess I am going through a lot of the same highs and lows.

So, if anyone likes books about people getting out of their heads on drugs then you'll love this author. The books are not for the faint hearted, don't read them if you are easily offended. These books made me laugh out loud one minute and cry the next. Some parts are so intense that I had to put the book down to catch my breath. Here are links if anyone s interested:

"Sick City" by Tony O'Neill:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sick-City-A...8&qid=1379188628&sr=1-4&keywords=tony+o+neill

"Down and Out on Murder Mile" by Tony O' Neill:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Down-Out-Mu...8&qid=1379188628&sr=1-9&keywords=tony+o+neill

"Digging the Vein" by Tony O' Neill. (I haven't read this one yet coz its not available on Kindle, but I'm gonna buy the book. I don't know why its showing up at that crazy price? But I've seen it elsewhere for €9.99)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digging-Vei...sr=1-1&keywords=Digging+the+Vein+tony+o+neill

I first came across author Tony O'Neill on Shane's Blog "Memories of a Heroinhead.
 
I do seem to recall rohypnol flunitrazrpam being smokeable. Also would dissolve for iv with heat and the excess amount of citric people use here.

I believe I have come across this benzo gear ructions. It is not in your head. The market here is fucked. Not worth it.
 
Tryptamite said:
I do seem to recall rohypnol flunitrazrpam being smokeable. Also would dissolve for iv with heat and the excess amount of citric people use here.

I believe I have come across this benzo gear ructions. It is not in your head. The market here is fucked. Not worth it.
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Yes, some older junks told me they powdered the rohypnol pills and sprinkled the powder on their dope before chasing it. Far from harm reduction tbh.
 
VanWeyden said:
Yes, some older junks told me they powdered the rohypnol pills and sprinkled the powder on their dope before chasing it. Far from harm reduction tbh.
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That was before they changed the formulation, I remember we used to suck them like sweets when we first discovered them, they used to break down for IV use real easy too. However, I never smoked them, and I don't remember anyone smoking them.

Though that does not mean it didn't happen, but as the re-formulation make them much harder to dissolve I'm not such it they where smoke-able after they changed the pill formulation.
 
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