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EADD-Heroin-Discussion-v-XXIII-New shit - same old problems

See no ones posted is a Saturday mind you, I post on here from my phone and it's like drug' d up version of what i think of things & its pretty bang on, few people saying am going OTT, but am a housing scheme lad, we take a lot of drugs, not like a pill once a month or something, drugs are a daily thing. Everythings about drugs, illegal & prescriptions!, & through it all i try & a hide gear habit/meth , don't think I can pull it off the "honestly a don't touch it" it's just noticeable to people who know me, there putting 2&2 together & getting the right number!!! average man wouldn't know if I a had my habits, & it's fuckin hard work! Something's gotta give. Am on 40ml of meth and am toppin that up most nights with a bag sniffed & av got the Xanax left but watching the bag get smaller is killing me & I didn't give a single one out ,people would of thought just his usual benzos, but av been holding back durning the day so I can't get moaned at, I know they moan for the right reasons!! But other people don't know just family because they know me without benzos & with, after like 2 they know and it causes so much fuckin grief , need out man!! So much & with my liesense shit they get every thing sorted or they are suppose to are , fuck ya about silly but if your late/miss one app it gets used on you at a later date, so be helping, from Monday am really going at them, need my own house, be on on them shitty homeless thing but could eat down there , or scatter flat aka just a house in a normal place , or more than likely a shithouse!! Till ya get offered a house , with my social work onside am looking at getting all the help am entiltled to what I can get, ya gottta, it's tough out, need to get my own gaff , so a can breathe a bit , I know they is concern but also jealous , my missus wants me to get my own house and stay off drugs, she knows I won't stay away from them, that is life, but see wants me with my own nice home & take it from there but would need to get a hold of my benzo use & i dont know I want too, just want my own gaff & chill from it , not having to put up with shit, yeah man I do take drugs but but not even that much , I have cars come to my street at all hours try and do that at least bait as possible and get away with it most of the times , am grown man because if i do get caught can cause me some shit at 2am in the morning.


Since Friday Tuesday/Wednesday i had stopped bursting a bag and sniffin that of my iPhone , laying there till it kicked in and then go to the chemist, am at 40ml and if i burst into a bag the first bag always give me that feeling taking over ya body , now I have skipped bursting into a bag in the morning , I take a 2mg Xanax bar, let that kick in & go to the chemist , depeneds what am doing that day when i get my meth i usually just wait for a boy who comes and see in the morning, and the odd time he can't, i taxi it , i changed chemist to be closer to home , cheaper in a taxi, am chewin' the bars like nowt & maybe just sniffin a bag about 10pm, get a gouch! Or just to chill to the max, no hassle,

Today - I woke up Early today and muncher half a bar, then went for my meth about half 11 this morning , came back, sat abour doin few bits n bobs, my mum gives abuse lol smoked the arse out of 3.5 of cheese & eat a good few bars, either ain't the 2mg there suppose to be or my benzo tolerence is sky high, think a bit of both because they do really really do taste bitter as fuck , at first I had i thought i got better bars because of taste of alprazolam of them, but heyho, only killer is watching the bag get smaller, thinking of me going down that route , or i know of people who do get shit from there could ask them to do me a favour, or go back to my bars, ad say the bars stronger, I think, but proper boxed branded diazepam , or even real msj i think ad rather have, the boy said it was a one off anyway, have been waiting to abour 10pm & burst a bag either gets me a nod or gets me talking shit to people, end up go out and about see what's about , that ain't my game , still get mine for being there though, av took like 7 zannies had a bag at 10pm, and might be nawty only tenner , and have to snort it , anyone who says you cant snort uk brown is talking bollocks mate, I od only by snort , what I can say some gear is better than others for sniffing , mines works but av had better for sniffing but shitter gear smoked, how can that be ? When they tell you cant snort it

Seeing as it's saturday , maybe wake up to sniffing one, just the one mind, just the feeling that comes over you & runs throug your body, like it gonna be ok, top that up with a few bars to make it last a bit loneger, plus i get Sunday take home that would be 80ml & since am just having one 10z .3 , Am a drugpig but not touching my own, so 80ml of meth , Xanax 2mg, at least half Q of green, hard tryin' to keep ya habits, even with green yeah can tick a man but that needs paidi to and unneasary hassle, pay cash i expect cash i dont do tick less i kno ya wel, ain't my game jumped over 40s of coke the spice boys, are all over that scrneband shitty mdma, saying that I had a bit few month ago & this Mandy was dyno, moved a kept for self research, and it wasn't bunk!!


Aww man. Am well fucked!! The 2/2mg bars kicked & took a risk , by getting a mirror we all chop drugs on, grabbed the knot in my teeth, love doing that!! Emptied bags on to the mirror and chopped the best I could in the extreme curanatances, got it ok sniffed and didn't feel the wash over me because av already had opiates today , sniffed and got chat , better see many txs, am chilled relaxed ready for sleep ain't going out in cold, sorrry for rambling , gouched out twice writing this, love for everyone in the struggle!!
 
I am currently on a Subs maintenance program and the clinicians are just horrible people. They treat everyone like a "junkie", thinking we are all going to sell our TADs, etc. It is all quite undignified and has had deleterious effects on my mental health state. So, I need to escape from the Fourth Reich and have been looking at this taper. It is pretty fast but I don't mind drawing it out a bit longer if necessary.

Anyone tried it? Is it a sound approach?

http://www.helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper#form
 
I am currently on a Subs maintenance program and the clinicians are just horrible people. They treat everyone like a "junkie", thinking we are all going to sell our TADs, etc. It is all quite undignified and has had deleterious effects on my mental health state. So, I need to escape from the Fourth Reich and have been looking at this taper. It is pretty fast but I don't mind drawing it out a bit longer if necessary.

Anyone tried it? Is it a sound approach?

http://www.helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper#form

As with any reduction regimen, it's not so much the specifics of the program itself, as the fact you actually have one. Don't worry if you cant keep rigidly to the schedule - some fluctuations are inevitable. As long as your dose is following a general downward trend, then you're heading in the right direction. If you start feeling too uncomfortable then taking a little extra one day won't hurt too much, as long as you get back on track the next day and postpone any further reductions for a few days afterwards to restabilise. Good luck mate.
 
Cheers FUBAR. I was under the impression that there isn't a great deal of difference between 16mgs and 32mgs so I jumped from 24mgs to 20mgs at the start of the year. I didn't feel any difference until a week ago when I started feeling lethargic and mildly anxious until I dosed. I dropped from 20mgs to 18mgs yesterday and felt pretty shite until I dosed today. I have a feeling that I am metabolising bupe quicker than the 37 hour average half life. Hopefully I get used to 18mgs a day sooner rather than later. I really want off this shite.
 
Cheers FUBAR. I was under the impression that there isn't a great deal of difference between 16mgs and 32mgs so I jumped from 24mgs to 20mgs at the start of the year. I didn't feel any difference until a week ago when I started feeling lethargic and mildly anxious until I dosed. I dropped from 20mgs to 18mgs yesterday and felt pretty shite until I dosed today. I have a feeling that I am metabolising bupe quicker than the 37 hour average half life. Hopefully I get used to 18mgs a day sooner rather than later. I really want off this shite.

I've only tapered off methadone, not bupe, but the principles are the same. The key thing is not to rush it - go too fast and you'll suffer and be more likely to relapse. I presume you're attempting this taper yourself while still picking up your maintenance dose? That means you'll be building up a stock of bupe yes? Try to use that stock for emergencies only, not just because it's there - but I find that having something to fall back on acts as a psychological safety net - whether you use it or not. Anyway, keep us posted on your progress, there are plenty on here with lots of bupe experience who I'm sure will chip in from time to time.
 
It's a struggle brother. That ain't to bad, don't beat yourself up. Using on a Sunday is nearly a must, well if your in the still dabbling habit. Sniffed 2 bags yesterday plus my meth and 2mg bars, I was well on but I am trying to come down on the bars since I have only so many left. I will then change over to either yellows 5mg tubs, or msj tubs. Fucking hate the fact boxes have dried up, how is it possible for them to be about for months years even, it started with them coming in blisters, then the boxes appeared and where about for ages cheap as chips , and just dissapeared slowly, why though, people seen it coming and couldn't stop it , I know they are alsorts of pharma stuff on the streets all branded, dhc , codeine sulphate, gabbapentin, pregablin, so what's happened to all the valium
 
I've only tapered off methadone, not bupe, but the principles are the same. The key thing is not to rush it - go too fast and you'll suffer and be more likely to relapse. I presume you're attempting this taper yourself while still picking up your maintenance dose? That means you'll be building up a stock of bupe yes? Try to use that stock for emergencies only, not just because it's there - but I find that having something to fall back on acts as a psychological safety net - whether you use it or not. Anyway, keep us posted on your progress, there are plenty on here with lots of bupe experience who I'm sure will chip in from time to time.

Yep. I have saved up about 50 8mg Subs so far but it isn't like other opiates where the more you take the higher you get. That makes it easier not to break into the stash along the way down. I feel pretty decent this morning.
 
I had a dream about Heroin last night for the first time in nearly two years clean.

I came home to find my Mrs goofing her tits off with a big pile of gear in front of her. But instead of the usual feelings of excitement and anticipation I normally get when dreaming about drugs, I just thought "Fuck! I really hope she doesn't offer me any". I then woke up with an enormous sense of relief that it had only been a dream. I think I might have cracked it...
 
I had a dream about Heroin last night for the first time in nearly two years clean.

I came home to find my Mrs goofing her tits off with a big pile of gear in front of her. But instead of the usual feelings of excitement and anticipation I normally get when dreaming about drugs, I just thought "Fuck! I really hope she doesn't offer me any". I then woke up with an enormous sense of relief that it had only been a dream. I think I might have cracked it...
You couldn't afford to keep your cellar slaves with a smack habit bro. Then where would you be...
 
It's a struggle brother. That ain't to bad, don't beat yourself up. Using on a Sunday is nearly a must, well if your in the still dabbling habit. Sniffed 2 bags yesterday plus my meth and 2mg bars, I was well on but I am trying to come down on the bars since I have only so many left. I will then change over to either yellows 5mg tubs, or msj tubs. Fucking hate the fact boxes have dried up, how is it possible for them to be about for months years even, it started with them coming in blisters, then the boxes appeared and where about for ages cheap as chips , and just dissapeared slowly, why though, people seen it coming and couldn't stop it , I know they are alsorts of pharma stuff on the streets all branded, dhc , codeine sulphate, gabbapentin, pregablin, so what's happened to all the valium

There's boxes over here but they are ripping the arse outta the price, same with ket
 
Drips and drabs have been coming up from down south but there away as soon as they land, I don't know if irelands got the same kinda benzo problem Glasgow has?? People here score gear and vals together constantly, there's all the people who have just benzo habits. If they are charging expensive prices it's because they know once there gone , there gone , but why ? That's what I don't understand, here only blister ones about are "dizys" and there white and come in blisters of just 10 and going for a quid each. Nuts!!
 
I was last to post on this thread, but I just wanted to update my situation.

Since my last post in here I haven't sniffed a bag, or burst into any bags!! Trying my hardest to cut it out all together, when i was doing it soon as I opened my eyes, literally no even leaving my bed, using my phone and a card from my wallet, & I would sniff a bag and I would feel it takes over my bodys, ya kno' the feeling. Then I stopped doing that and just eating a 2mg of Xanax, the kit would give me the boost I needed to get up and start my day, and the Xanax would help a little too because it would take my anxiety away & that in itself was enough to give me the kick I needed to go to the chemist, but yesterday morning was my last 2mg zannie. That got me to the chemist & i went and got 50 yellows 5mg, overdosed for sure, because last night I was gouchin without sniffin' a bag which I had been doing up till 2 nights before ? Even getting up today I felt no urge no take either any yellows or smack, plus I was up early again , those zannies were making me sleep like a mofo, and I was missing too many people, not today, up at 8am, out the door for half 8 , went to see a dude, he was taking me to the chemist , but he had to sort him self out first, I haven't had anything, and even seeing him smoke that didn't make me want it either. Valium are better than Xanax for sure. IMO! Obv it's to with its long half life etc, Xanax are still good don't get me wrong, for a straight up fucked out your nut, neck about 5/6/7 2mg Xanax and your fucked , but I feel there not on par with diazepam and that could be for a number of reasons. Also feel Xanax is "colder" than diazepam. Think I maybe be more a pam man than a lam man.

Obv with it being the weekend, and me not being a drinker or a coke head anymore i usually justify using today for that reason, but I am determined not too, I have my benzos & have nice pollen and suppose to be getting a bit of "Holy Grail Kush" (suppose to be proper Gucci Swag) only took 5 yellows about an hour ago, & had my turtle juice an hour or 2 before that, am feeling more than fine, not out my nut or nowt, just content. I done right well in my books, because i usually I will take something upon opening my eyes because am busy as soon as I open my eyes, got out an about for a while without feeling the need for either opiates/benzos! I want to cut the smack out all together, part from maybe the odd time but right now i want to go on a few months of not touching it, the benzos I need, & aren't willing to give them up yet, they are no way near as destructive as having a g a day smack habit, and that was minim!! Benzos give me what I need, till my qauck can provide the right meds for me.

Love for yawl in the struggle!
 
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Sounds like a step in the right direction for sure! I can definitely relate to the "its the weekend" justification and used to use it quite a lot myself irrespective of the fact I was using drugs through the week anyway.

Funnily enough, Ive noticed just after waking up in the morning is the time where I most crave opiates. Not totally sure why, but I think you're probably onto something when you say it's the time of day where you most feel like you need a boost. If you can keep from falling back into that habit of giving into those morning cravings, I think you'll make it a lot easier to make it through the rest of the day too.
 
I can definitely relate to the "its the weekend" justification and used to use it quite a lot myself irrespective of the fact I was using drugs through the week anyway.
If you aren't careful, you soon find that the weekend begins on Thursday night and lasts until Tuesday morning. Oh, and you might feel like a crafty midweek toke on a Wednesday .....
 
Sounds like a step in the right direction for sure! I can definitely relate to the "its the weekend" justification and used to use it quite a lot myself irrespective of the fact I was using drugs through the week anyway.

Funnily enough, Ive noticed just after waking up in the morning is the time where I most crave opiates. Not totally sure why, but I think you're probably onto something when you say it's the time of day where you most feel like you need a boost. If you can keep from falling back into that habit of giving into those morning cravings, I think you'll make it a lot easier to make it through the rest of the day too.

I've always noticed the same too. I've a theory that because the morning is when cortisol production is highest, our blood pressure is highest, coupled with the "termination shock" of waking from restful sleep and the fact that chances are if you took opiates the previous night, now the blood levels of them are significantly lower than when you went to sleep, all combine to make us feel stressed and look for something to sure that. An hour or 2 after waking those feelings have declined significantly in my experience
 
Funnily enough, Ive noticed just after waking up in the morning is the time where I most crave opiates. Not totally sure why, but I think you're probably onto something when you say it's the time of day where you most feel like you need a boost. If you can keep from falling back into that habit of giving into those morning cravings, I think you'll make it a lot easier to make it through the rest of the day too.

If you're in the grip of addiction then it comes as no surprise that cravings are highest in the morning as you've no doubt spent several hours writhing around on the bed, sweating profusely, eyes nose and mouth streaming with tears, snot and saliva, stomach cramps, feelings of impending doom etc. etc.

However, if you're not in the grip of addiction and still craving opiates when you awake, then I'd take that at a serious warning sign if I were you.
 
To clarify, I've only touched strong opiates/opioids a handful of times since the start of July, so the cravings I'm referring to are very much psychological.

Think of it this way... I'm really not a morning person, so when my alarm goes off and I know I've got to force myself up quickly, make a 25 minute walk to work in often frosty conditions, and then spend the next 9 and a half hours alert and ready to work, things can temporarily seem more bleak and difficult than they actually are from the point of view of first thing in the morning. At this point, my mind is drawn to times in the past where I've been in similar situations doing early shifts but had heroin on hand to kill the morning blues and give me something imminent to look forward to when getting out of bed. I think it's only natural to form these sort of associations with getting high.

As the day goes on and I find myself waking up a bit and starting to enjoy my colleagues company or whatever task I'm doing, or making plans to look forward to later in the day, I generally find the brown and foil fantasies become a lot less nagging.

What FTT was describing with needing a bag to get up in the morning sounded similar to what I'm describing above, and while there is obviously more of a physical urgency to the craving in his instance, I think it probably also has a lot to do with a natural desire to make things easier for yourself at the times when you're least able to derive enjoyment from whatever is going on in your life (I.e. in mine and I think probably many other peoples cases, fuckin mornings...)
 
For sure mate were definetly onto something with the morning thing.

Today I woke early, and felt like total fuckin' garbage, the urge to get a bag in me was strong. I resisted, took my meth, had 5 yellows & a joint, couldn't shake the feeling even after the meth kicked in, I was pissed off at something last night & feel asleep raging, so think that has made my mood shit today. I took 6 yellows & went to spent the night with the missus & I feel so much better. I think that's because am out the depressing situation I have been living in recently, just can't wait to I get my own house, this week it should be, I am suppose high priority, so should be this week. Back to doing my own thing, no parents mixing in my relationship, plus I can get back to making better money. This is why i want of smack totally for at least a few months, my diazepam are enough & no where near as destructive on my life.
 
Yeah. That first toke of the morning is what really sets you your Inner Junkie up for the whole day.

Get past that, and you'll knock I.J. off his or her stride for just long enough to have a better chance of dealing with it. Everyone is different, so you will have to find your own survival technique that works for you.

And note that the act of tooting can also be a powerful psychological habit in its own right, due to the whole oral fixation aspect; "suckling at the aluminium nipple" being an extremely apt metaphor.
 
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