I thought it was just me who has no idea what he does be on about...I think you just signed his T&Cs. Good luck, mang
Synth discussion isn't allowed but I don't understand a word of it. I can't tell if he's giving the method for krokodil or a stain remover for delicates![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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I think its something to do with stain remover and high speed thermal electron conveyer belts.
OT - itchy phase has subsided a bit and now very nicely stoned. I lost an couple of hours of time somewhere. If you happen to find the time can you send it back please.
BecomingJulie
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Careful which way you post that time ..... 'cause it's going across the international date line. If you post it from East to West, it'll only get lost again! Make sure to send it from West to East, so it gets there before it set out and so stays fresh.
Limpet_Chicken
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Albeit not in book form, but I've tried. And I'm not convinced I've ever managed it. I'm always having to figure out how to rework things for digestion by other subjects. One of theses days I'll end up with an aneurysm the size of a melon
It appears 3,6-dibutyrylmorphine takes a long long time to come on. The longest out of all the morphine diesters I've tried.
A carboxylate group takes the formula R-COOH where R is an alkyl, alkenyl, alkynyl chain, which formerly bore a hydroxyl group, R-OH, or a phenol/amine to give phenolic esters or amides respectively. The simplest carboxylic acid, formic acid, R is simply H, the formula for formic acid being HCOOH, one more methylene unit, (this being formally derived from methane, CH4, having lost one atom of hydrogen gives CH3COOH, acetic acid, and so on and so forth, with each carboxylic acid going from formyl, through acetyl, propionyl [3] to butyryl [4, derived from the 4-carbon alkane, butane)
What I was trying to say, was that going from morphine, and forming a carboxylic (di)ester, in the case of a reagent for acetylation, at least, the anhydrides or combination of acyl halide and base the result would be heroin, in the case of the next largest simple, small molecule (I mean, a length of a handful or so of carbon atoms making up the acyl [acyl, is what we term the fundamental carboxylic 'unit', and adding one of these, either to an alcohol, or phenol [something with an -OH group connected to a carbon, in the case of an alcohol, this is a straight or branched chain of carbon atoms, or a non-aromatic ring. An aromatic ring, in the case of a benzene ring gives one a phenol. These behave in many ways like alcohols in that they can be acylated, alkylated, form ethers, thioethers etc. although phenols are much much more acidic than alcohols, for example, cyclohexanol isn't particularly acidic, whilst the aromatic homolog of cyclohexanol would be phenol.
And phenol itself is quite capable of burning human skin, one of my science teachers, before she knew that, burnt herself with it actually, she once told me) But in many ways, they do follow similar types of reaction patterns that alcohols do. In the case of an amine group, and an acylating reagent, the result is an amide. For example, 1 mole of ethylamine would give 1mol. acetamide upon reaction with 1 moles of acetic anhydride [this isn't synth discussion, its not psychoactive, I'm just explaining the fundamentals using simple, uncomplicated reactions, along with, as the anhydride reacts, an equimolar quantity of acetic acid. Half the molar quantity of an acid anhydride reacts by acylating a suitable substrate, whereas with the other common form of activated acyl species, an acyl halide, the result is an equimolar ratio of acylating species and the byproduct is a hydrohalic acid, E.g carboxylic acid chlorides, in the case of formation of acetamide from ethylamine would release an equimolar amount of hydrogen chloride, which generally means a base has to be present to absorb it as its released.)
Anyhow, 3,6-di(n)-butyrylmorphine (butyryl being the acyl group containing a 4-carbon chain, the one after propionyl, from propionic acid, which has three, acetic acid has two and formic, one. Although conditions for formylations are generally somewhat different)
Seems much as expected, with certain surprises thrown into the mix. Now I'm not certain it was a direct response, but it turns out that I ended up with quite a boner...unexpected considering there was no company, and no sexual setting. It appeared to be a mechanical response if that makes sense. Still present upon going to sleep and waking up. And it turns out that butyrate is a vasodilator, working by activation of the niacin receptor causing blood vessels to widen. And whilst there was no sexual content to this, opioids generally block testosterone release and cause a loss of sexual interest. In any case I was alone, with nobody present to be interested IN regardless, so it wasn't the setting, or the set. I think it may well have been the dibutyrylmorphine.
Slow to act (given by IM injection, approximately -180-210mg (forgot somewhere along the lines of this investigation 30mg either way. My apologies.), it took what seemed like an age, perhaps 10 minutes to begin to be felt properly, and as long as another 15-20 to feel as though it was doing as much as at the dose tested it was going to do. No rush, although from an IM I didn't expect one. A lot less histamine release than morphine sulfate but I would say more than heroin and approximately akin to dipropionylmorphine. Which is an awful lot stronger, faster acting and euphoric than di-(n)butyrylmorphine. The latter did however, seem to last still longer than H, I just topped up with some morphine sulfate, although not withdrawing, (at around half 3 PM, the dibutyrylmorphine taken early in the morning at least 13-15 hours or so, that was beginning to tail off.)
The main difference was what I believe might have been the..ahem...response, to the vasodilatory effect. It did feel a little warmer than I'd have expected from its level of opiate potency. Not euphoric, but more heating, akin to a niacin flush, although I don't know if I LOOKED flushed or not in the face, it was dark, and I had shades on, for reasons I don't need to go into here.
It appears 3,6-dibutyrylmorphine takes a long long time to come on. The longest out of all the morphine diesters I've tried.
A carboxylate group takes the formula R-COOH where R is an alkyl, alkenyl, alkynyl chain, which formerly bore a hydroxyl group, R-OH, or a phenol/amine to give phenolic esters or amides respectively. The simplest carboxylic acid, formic acid, R is simply H, the formula for formic acid being HCOOH, one more methylene unit, (this being formally derived from methane, CH4, having lost one atom of hydrogen gives CH3COOH, acetic acid, and so on and so forth, with each carboxylic acid going from formyl, through acetyl, propionyl [3] to butyryl [4, derived from the 4-carbon alkane, butane)
What I was trying to say, was that going from morphine, and forming a carboxylic (di)ester, in the case of a reagent for acetylation, at least, the anhydrides or combination of acyl halide and base the result would be heroin, in the case of the next largest simple, small molecule (I mean, a length of a handful or so of carbon atoms making up the acyl [acyl, is what we term the fundamental carboxylic 'unit', and adding one of these, either to an alcohol, or phenol [something with an -OH group connected to a carbon, in the case of an alcohol, this is a straight or branched chain of carbon atoms, or a non-aromatic ring. An aromatic ring, in the case of a benzene ring gives one a phenol. These behave in many ways like alcohols in that they can be acylated, alkylated, form ethers, thioethers etc. although phenols are much much more acidic than alcohols, for example, cyclohexanol isn't particularly acidic, whilst the aromatic homolog of cyclohexanol would be phenol.
And phenol itself is quite capable of burning human skin, one of my science teachers, before she knew that, burnt herself with it actually, she once told me) But in many ways, they do follow similar types of reaction patterns that alcohols do. In the case of an amine group, and an acylating reagent, the result is an amide. For example, 1 mole of ethylamine would give 1mol. acetamide upon reaction with 1 moles of acetic anhydride [this isn't synth discussion, its not psychoactive, I'm just explaining the fundamentals using simple, uncomplicated reactions, along with, as the anhydride reacts, an equimolar quantity of acetic acid. Half the molar quantity of an acid anhydride reacts by acylating a suitable substrate, whereas with the other common form of activated acyl species, an acyl halide, the result is an equimolar ratio of acylating species and the byproduct is a hydrohalic acid, E.g carboxylic acid chlorides, in the case of formation of acetamide from ethylamine would release an equimolar amount of hydrogen chloride, which generally means a base has to be present to absorb it as its released.)
Anyhow, 3,6-di(n)-butyrylmorphine (butyryl being the acyl group containing a 4-carbon chain, the one after propionyl, from propionic acid, which has three, acetic acid has two and formic, one. Although conditions for formylations are generally somewhat different)
Seems much as expected, with certain surprises thrown into the mix. Now I'm not certain it was a direct response, but it turns out that I ended up with quite a boner...unexpected considering there was no company, and no sexual setting. It appeared to be a mechanical response if that makes sense. Still present upon going to sleep and waking up. And it turns out that butyrate is a vasodilator, working by activation of the niacin receptor causing blood vessels to widen. And whilst there was no sexual content to this, opioids generally block testosterone release and cause a loss of sexual interest. In any case I was alone, with nobody present to be interested IN regardless, so it wasn't the setting, or the set. I think it may well have been the dibutyrylmorphine.
Slow to act (given by IM injection, approximately -180-210mg (forgot somewhere along the lines of this investigation 30mg either way. My apologies.), it took what seemed like an age, perhaps 10 minutes to begin to be felt properly, and as long as another 15-20 to feel as though it was doing as much as at the dose tested it was going to do. No rush, although from an IM I didn't expect one. A lot less histamine release than morphine sulfate but I would say more than heroin and approximately akin to dipropionylmorphine. Which is an awful lot stronger, faster acting and euphoric than di-(n)butyrylmorphine. The latter did however, seem to last still longer than H, I just topped up with some morphine sulfate, although not withdrawing, (at around half 3 PM, the dibutyrylmorphine taken early in the morning at least 13-15 hours or so, that was beginning to tail off.)
The main difference was what I believe might have been the..ahem...response, to the vasodilatory effect. It did feel a little warmer than I'd have expected from its level of opiate potency. Not euphoric, but more heating, akin to a niacin flush, although I don't know if I LOOKED flushed or not in the face, it was dark, and I had shades on, for reasons I don't need to go into here.
I'm a girl I've just turned 18 and two months ago I came off herion after being dependant for a year I was taking dfs to help the rattle (cold turkey) and became dependant on those aswell so I went cold turkey after that and didn't even take valllies or anything to help with the horror of it all I'm now 100% clean which I did on my own while my 37 year old mum was dying in hospital at the age of 17 I was smoking herion everyday about 3 bags a day and crack at least twice a week I remember getting hot and cold sweats for at least 6 weeks after my detox and feeling really lethargic I seemed to exchange my habit for smoking weed everyday which is obviously nothing towards gear it just helps me forget but nothing's made me want to go back to gear as I'm scared of the w/d is it abnormal for someone my age to have a dependency like this? Plus I have dihydocodiene in my drawer which I've refrained from taking to avoid w/d it's been over two months now can I at least take a 60mg df? I'll be posting more on here
steewith2ees
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Hi mate - welcome to EADD - glad to hear that you will keep on posting - sorry to hear about you mum and that xx
Taking a one off dose of dihydrocodeine probably wont do any harm in terms of causing any w/d problems, but it's always one off doses that lead to relapses. You seem to have done well by staying away from them - ask yourself what a 'one off' dose would achieve in terms of risk (getting stuck right back into taking them all the time) and reward (feeling a bit stoned for a couple of hours then feeling gutted once it wears off).
Taking a one off dose of dihydrocodeine probably wont do any harm in terms of causing any w/d problems, but it's always one off doses that lead to relapses. You seem to have done well by staying away from them - ask yourself what a 'one off' dose would achieve in terms of risk (getting stuck right back into taking them all the time) and reward (feeling a bit stoned for a couple of hours then feeling gutted once it wears off).
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I came out the nick, looking well, went for a hair cut, ended up going to a door not far from it, mind i was away 18 month & knew they'd still be going & there where, obv. Got my haircut back up the road. Went to my mums loo put it out in a line, and I swear I hadn't even finished the line & I felt it come over me, never had a feeling like that before, never pinned it but that was probs the cloesest av ever been , instantly took over my body, what a feeling!! And that took me on a month or 2 binge, started rattlin the vals as well , went & got put on subby, and although it took my rattles away, I had to have daft amounts of diazepam on top to fill that hole, basically after fucking my script over & over again! My worker and a doctor asked me to go on meth as it would be better for my mental health as I have "issues" lol , I agreed, I was using on top to start with but for nearly a week now av not bothered about kit, my diazepam use is still deep in flow and will be for the foreseeable, at least till my qauck gets me on something where I don't feel the need for diazepam, not just diazepam, it's all benzos, they work best for me, but I am unlikely to get them, been talk of pregablin , av used them of the street, to get more fucked up because that's all there good for in an abuse way anyway, maybe be good used properly.
trip2themoon
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I rarely buy tenner bags. I've been quite lucky the past few years that I've been able to get off a mate who buys in a kilo or 2 at a time and does small weights from half a teenth for £25 to a Q for £150. He ran out 3 days ago and has been struggling to get more since. In the last 24 hours he's had 2 testers, both different types of Kit but both equally shite. He said someone told him that the Coke prices are all coming down but just now people are holding back the good Kit. Dunno what to believe. Good on him for refusing to take the shite but he knows if he takes a chunk of it he'll lose trade as soon as people try it.
Over the last 2 days I've been buying TBs because the lassie who does the bags has really nice gear just now. I have a second choice guy for small weights, he does a G for £25 and a teenth for £45 but what he has now is a bit shit and I'd rather get TBs of the decent stuff. The G I bought yesterday was quite dark powder but on the foil it had that sweet sugary taste that you know it's been well cut. It did square me but but wasn't a pleasant smoke. The 2 TBs I bought this evening are good though.
Glad I've managed to stock pile again. In 2015 my mate was caught with a teenth and last month was sentenced to a 3 month supervision order. last year he got busted and was caught with a few ounce and a 20 tonne press and he's due up for that any time soon. If he faces the sheriff who gave him the supervision order he's deffo getting a custodial.
Over the last 2 days I've been buying TBs because the lassie who does the bags has really nice gear just now. I have a second choice guy for small weights, he does a G for £25 and a teenth for £45 but what he has now is a bit shit and I'd rather get TBs of the decent stuff. The G I bought yesterday was quite dark powder but on the foil it had that sweet sugary taste that you know it's been well cut. It did square me but but wasn't a pleasant smoke. The 2 TBs I bought this evening are good though.
Glad I've managed to stock pile again. In 2015 my mate was caught with a teenth and last month was sentenced to a 3 month supervision order. last year he got busted and was caught with a few ounce and a 20 tonne press and he's due up for that any time soon. If he faces the sheriff who gave him the supervision order he's deffo getting a custodial.
is any1 else strugling to get good or being told theres a drought. all taht seems to be around is shit atm. is any1 else having the same problem? some are selling shit an some are waiting for good but its been a while. has any had that nasty tasting weird shit that been goin round for a little while
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trip2themoon
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Yeah, for the last couple of days now the only good stuff I can get is in tenner bags. I usually get from a mate of mine who buys in a brick at a time so when he has good gear he has it for ages. I usually buy it in half teenths for £25 at a time. I got paid on Tuesday and I'm off for 3 days so I asked him to keep me a teenth for after my shift and that was it. I got the last from him and he's not been able to get more. He said he's had a couple of testers recently and both kinds were shite.
The wheels of justice seem to turn very slowly. Last month he got put on a 3 month supervision order for a teenth he got caught with in June 2015. Now he's due up any day now for getting busted with a few ounce and a 20 tonne hydraulic press. If he's up in front of the same sheriff who put him on the supervision order he's pretty much screwed.
Lately I've been working on re-stocking by substitutes stockpile. If he goes away I'm going to knock it on the head for a bit. Nowadays I totally begrudge paying out for £10 bags, although I bought a couple today, that might be the last of the decent gear going about around here.
He's got 200 8mg Subbies, 100 for him and 100 for his girlfriend. I've never been in jail but he reckons that these days Subbies are one of the best money makers in prisons. If you've been jailed for punting would there be people inside the prison waiting on you because they'll be expecting you to bring something in?
I watched a programme about the girls of Cornton Vale and 2 rattling lassies clocked a new lassie had came in with pinned eyes. When they asked her if she had she said she'd had a charge before going to court and ending up there. Next morning they were checking out her eyes again and they were still pinned. They said "she's deffo got Kit on her, she better be willing to share or we'll take the lot off her". 4 of them followed her into her cell, turned out she'd brought in an ounce. Those 2 rattling lassies hit the jack pot. This was filmed a few years back now, I don't know if they are still not allowed to search a girl properly.
I tried off 2 different pepes t'other day an was both shite, 1 guy who wont esll shit has been waitin quite a while for the good. nut fingers crosssed. your in scotland aint u mate id be interested to know if londons suffering the same shite. wheres blondin at? Even the good tb's have all gone its all shit left it seems. Might be time to kick eh.
F.U.B.A.R.
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Is this looking like a repeat of the 2010 drought? If so, I would advise all of you to take heed...
fightingthetoot
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Well done too you,you've achevied something many older heads can't do, take the dhc you have left wouldn't give you a habit again, but you've said you don't want the opiate dunt so why even take them at all buddy? Sorry to hear about your mother, wouldn't she be proud known her 18 year old daughter is clean?
Not many get into at 17, but it happens for sure, 20 year ago loads more did than now, but you still get younger ones, usually later 20s, sometimes 30s before a smack habit because your going through other drugs saying I wouldn't touch smack.
Personally I was 23, maybe 22 when I started taking dhc the odd time *snip*, and after so long being around smack I wanted to know what the dunt was like I guess at 23 , so while an oz bag was opened & with people in the room I managed to sneak my house key in the bag, took a little bump and the rest is history, am 27 now & on meth and trying to sort life out, but now I have gave myself a valium problem, which is no where near as destructive & right now I feel I need them, last few days only been having like 5 yellows all day, today av had 12, nice and chilled, and like you I smoke a lot of green/pollen, that has never changed from the start of my habit till now , always something I have done.
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F.U.B.A.R.
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One thing I've noticed about heroin users on this forum is that most of you like cannabis - which contrasts sharply with the users I met when I was in the scene. I would say that a good 90℅ of the smackheads I knew irl never touched the stuff as it made them paranoid - which I could never understand as I fuckin loved smack and pot! I used to get paranoid on weed, but a bit of gear totally removed that and the two synergise to give a bloody great couch. Anyone else noticed an anti cannabis attitude amongst junkies?
matt<3ketamine
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Heard today from a reliable source things are drying up here in NIreland
This was said while he was bagging a fair bit lol
This was said while he was bagging a fair bit lol
Bella Figura
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The junkies I knew were polydrug abusers to the fullest...so they pretty much loved it all. I did meet crack users who 'said' they didn't touch brown cause it made them sick, but funnily enough they'd always have a bit on them for comedowns.
I found weed would always potentiate the fuck out of opiates. These days I'm happy to use my cannabis 'medicinally' to stop cravings for anything else.
And to be fair I fucking love the paranoia.
axe battler
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I have found this too, but there are a lot of exceptions, including really militant pot-head types (legalise it! tee shirts, bob marley posters everywhere etc.)
Personally, I went through phases of smoking it ocasionally with my gear, but only a tiny bit for something to do. It was nice. Obviously weed costs money, and I had biger priorities!
fightingthetoot
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Weed is number one, even in my baddest of habits I could be rattlin' & I would wait the 5 mins just so I had green/pollen with it being easy for me to grab, literally could get it anytime, even now taking my meth and vals, I need my joints. Can't ave a toot without a joint/bong inbetween , fuck all that grape juice shit you see posted on here , good green/hash will make any gear better , & unlike with benzo I don't think it's risky , me being silly bollocks I take all 3! Baked just now, that's on top of 13 5mg diazepam, and 40ml of turtle juice.
Feelin' the need for a toot, last 2 days I have thought about it more than I have in the last week, am maybe asking her to put me up to 50ml & see how i go , I never want to go over 50ml, only plan on being on this for a year max!!! But what happens in a few weeks when cravings come back, I can't just keep going up and end up being like 100 odd mls, that can't never happen, maybe if I just used once a week I could get by, most days my meth and vals & weed are enough to fill that hole within, but some days I just want a toot on top, probs greed! Just want that whole routine, getting the foil sorted etc & getting teethn & sitting with good bit of green and pollen & vals & getting messy, it's been better since I switched to meth, but still craving a bit of tackle here & there , as you do
Feelin' the need for a toot, last 2 days I have thought about it more than I have in the last week, am maybe asking her to put me up to 50ml & see how i go , I never want to go over 50ml, only plan on being on this for a year max!!! But what happens in a few weeks when cravings come back, I can't just keep going up and end up being like 100 odd mls, that can't never happen, maybe if I just used once a week I could get by, most days my meth and vals & weed are enough to fill that hole within, but some days I just want a toot on top, probs greed! Just want that whole routine, getting the foil sorted etc & getting teethn & sitting with good bit of green and pollen & vals & getting messy, it's been better since I switched to meth, but still craving a bit of tackle here & there , as you do
Bella Figura
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Ever thought about Ibogaine?