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Sounds like you've got a pretty solid plan there Stee, really hope it works out for you. You seem like a really sound cunt to me and are definitely entitled to a lifestyle you can feel good about.

I've been feeling pretty damn self depreciative about myself the last few days. I seem to be really sensitive to fentanyl rebound effects, 5 days of use has caused a surprising amount of displeasure in the days following, to the extent I've had to claim to have caught the illness my parents had last week as there is just no hiding the fact I look pretty seriously ill. During this, I've been feeling incredibly down about where I am in life, having absolutely no money, going into a job that isn't really what I was after etc. etc. etc. I would actually be getting pretty damn bummed out about all of this if it wasn't for the fact that I remember I wasn't actually nearly as bothered about any of these things a week ago. Them drugs have an amazing way of playing mind tricks on you, making things seem a lot more hopeless than they actually are.
 
Hehe it's the drugs that are keeping me going despite my whinging in the last post I haven't felt this good in yonks. The other stuff is just a fact I can do nothing about except to try and change and be someone new. As good as the plan might sound, this is kind of the easy part (testing the Christmas day gear - well and truly has a pass). I also kicked ass on Project Cars and Dirt Rally this morning, IMO the best driving titles available with the exception of Forza (I don't have an xbox) - 2 perfect but extremely unforgiving games so to have a couple of hours in the zone as an early morning tool sharpener felt very satisfying. When the best thing you have to feel about is an exceptionally good session on the ps4 then you should be able to understand what a fucking loser I am, but feel great about the driving games I do, even before I had any psychoactive substances (I'm not exactly in the best position for another go now as the brown + gangee has me splattered and ready for a little lie down.

I have loads of things to look forward to over Christmas, I have 3 brand new blu rays still wrapped and on the shelf (one for this weekend, one for christmas w/e and one for the 25th). I have more interesting bits than brown as well in the tin to enjoy over the next couple of weeks, tons of penny acids, about 6 grams of dried semilanceata which I have still to tuck into properly yet and as a curveball I have 300mg of BK - 2C - B (which I was sent by a vendor as a free sample and have never tried before) and if all else fails, a pink 'Breitling Bar' ecstasy tablet, one of which was tested as containing 158.5mg of MDMA. Might flip well with one of the penny acids if I'm in on my own on NYE with just music.

So, I'm sorry for the whiny post before, but although that is how I feel I'm not actually getting to stressed out about it for the time being, but as this is due to having a nice collection of toys and drugs is just further proof of what a useless fucking tool I am and why things have to change now if I wish to still be alive at 40. And despite the amount of people who would be thrilled to see otherwise I personally do not want to die, I want to get my life back even if I have to go halfway across the world to achieve this in secret. There are too many smug selfish cunts that have let me down so much that they would be love to see me fail and for good this time but ultimately I don't want to give them the satisfaction, which is kind of sinking to that level but if it is a means to positive end then I will take it at this point.

I know exactly what your saying OM and I do appreciate it but I've had 10 years of valid criticism but from pure hypocrites so I am even cynical about my cynicism at this point. But as long as you guys can just continue to accommodate my crap for just a little longer, with all the nice films, drugs, music and computer games(and for Christmas night now nice gear!) I might have a pretty good fortnight yet which will leave in the best possible position for when the work starts. As for the hed party, it started about 90 mins ago now. Time for some music. <3 On, and Happy Christmas
 
If you are unaware btw.

About beta-C=O homolog of 2C-B, it is INCREDIBLY unstable. Do NOT add it to H2O, oral maybe. Managed to inject it ONCE before it dimerized to inactive purple shitbox. But in solution its unstable as fuck, particularly as the freebase.

Have tried plugging it only for it to turn to inactive purple pyrazine shite before my very peepers before it got halfway from measuring cup to arsehole. Literally. Primary amine beta-ketones are the most unstable sons of bitches. They are...think the psychotropic drug version of nitrogen trichloride. Only less likely to blast your head off physically in a cloud of shrapnel (NCl3 did this to it's discoverer, and IIRC to I think, either Lussac, Lavoisier or Davy. One of them, forget which, had to hire Faraday as an assistant after a nitrogen trichloride explosion tore the poor bastard's eye up and blinded him for a while.

But beta-C=O-2C-B whilst no psychotically unstable explosive, lacks only the 'explosive' portion of that description.

Also, it appears to be somewhat of a vasoconstrictor, it made me feel very, very cold and shivery even after snuggling up under the quilt in bed after taking some once, presumably this is because the ketone group likely as not will be metabolized to the corresponding alcohol, which is to BK-2C-B what norephedrine is to cathinone, chemically speaking. And we all know what khat is like, it must be fresh as can be to have optimum effect when chewing khat, because cathinone (methcathinone being a '2 amine is not subject to this dimerization and pyrazine formation like the primary amine versions are.)

I personally cannot for the buggerment of me understand why the hellfire and unicycle-mounted otter based sodomy that when BK-2C-B was released, it was not marketed as the corresponding pthalimidopropiophenone, which would then cleave in the stomach acid to release the BK-2C-B slowly enough and steadily to provide both, one would think, a smoother comeup and releasing it bit by bit, kind of an XR version, avoid high concentrations and ergo, allowing for less of a chance for one molecule of the 'cat to meet up with another and dimerize to shite due to lower concentrations within the environment of the stomach.

Slow and steady winning the race, being the idea.

Also, to OrdinaryMind-be aware, that fent and its analogs bind to MORs in a different configuration than do most opioids, and either this, the very high potency (although the lower potency end fent alfentanil, whilst rather tasty stuff as a once in a while treat, as far as fents go, ain't bad, it still does cause increased tolerance very quickly, despite much lesser potency than many fentanyl derivatives)

So presumably the alternate binding mode may perhaps, be conducive to the extremely rapid tachyphylaxis, and also, with fents, they don't just downregulate MORs with use, fentanyl and co also result in very rapid internalization of Mu opioid receptors, requiring new ones to be exocytosed to the cell membrane surface within the synapse before the wee buggers are good to go again.

Fentanyl and the whole family aren't too great, only ones I've appreciated much have been alfentanil and lofentanil. Tolerance is a BASTARD with these drugs. Tachyphylaxis. High potency makes for rapid receptor downregulation, and also, again, there is much MUCH more rapid, pronounced receptor internalization with fents than most opioids and opiates.


They will all jack up your opiate tolerance incredibly rapidly. I myself once was test-scripted fentanyl patches, plain vanilla fent, and as I just didn't like it much, ended up doing the entire lot in a single day, and even after shooting just one patch (note, do NOT take this as a suggestion to DO that, I myself had at the time even then a beastly tolerance to opiates. But I was back at the surgery the next day begging for another oxycontin 80 rx instead. Thankfully I got one, and without the doc asking for the patches back. Which is just as well since I'd shot the lot since. Only good thing to come out of that, was having picked up a couple of weeks worth of OC80s on one day, being given the fent the next (week worth of patches) and then since I said I wanted back on the OCs and off the fent right then and there the next day I ended up getting not only the box of fent patches, but two fortnight's worth of OC80s (two a day at the time) in two days, that ended up being allowed my only having them last a week, because the fent, that ONE day's use, albeit quite a bit of the stuff, IV, not that the doc knew THAT part, pushed up my tolerance so far so fast that day before, I could bang two OC80s, IV, filtered of course, and nod out, albeit sod all rush, as there is little to none with oxy. And nod heavily at that. Two being able to slam 5-6 of them in an hour and then start nodding.
 
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I have a very important question.

Is it safe to nod off while speedballing heroin&coke? I had to keep my friend from nodding and i am curious to know so i may educate my friend. Both doses are normal. He gets good stuff so about a .1 of each. He takes 50mg of methadone daily and still nods off just a .1. Im sorry if i made any mistakes in my post, this is my first time here. I feel this is very important so i can prevent something bad from happening. I know that not doing it at all is the best but were past that. I want him to limit the danger factor as much as possible
 
I have a very important question.

Is it safe to nod off while speedballing heroin&coke? I had to keep my friend from nodding and i am curious to know so i may educate my friend. Both doses are normal. He gets good stuff so about a .1 of each. He takes 50mg of methadone daily and still nods off just a .1. Im sorry if i made any mistakes in my post, this is my first time here. I feel this is very important so i can prevent something bad from happening. I know that not doing it at all is the best but were past that. I want him to limit the danger factor as much as possible

I wouldnt actually worry about it too much if he's using his normal heroin dose. I've heard a few people report stimulant and opiate combos to result in an unexpectedly intense nod, contrary to what you might expect, while the stimulant will only serve to counter the respiratory depression.

Obviously speedballing is inherently combining 2 incredibly addictive drugs using an incredibly risky ROA, but as far as I'm aware there isn't any added risk of nodding if you are using your usual opiate dose.
 
Yo my fellows brass monkeyz!!

Y'all doing, see there's been a bit happning in the thread, good shit! Not been on, but had a lurk! I have went round in circles again. I can't kick these vals though, I tried to CT after maybe 10 weeks use , and it could have possibly been worse than coming of the junk, maybe cause I know the script with the b, anyway stopped the vals on the Sunday crumbled by Thursday , I was out my face just on vals but let it slide she goes out friday night, and I got fucked up on vals and kit, so back at my mums lol same old routine!! My missus can't accept me chilling with a bit of b and a few vals and a bit of puff isn't any worse than her going out for a drink, I don't think it is anyway, what do you people think?

Since Saturday been chasing vals and b, but vals are number one and I was never like that, av always loved em but I never put em before, ever since i started taking the Vs the subs left has carried on to even when am having a toot never Vs , taking Vs soon as I open my eyes, always try keep some for the morning am a drug pig so that doesn't always happen, another thing with the dry up of the actavis teva crescent it's tub, ones am getting are suppose generic probs getting made locally they do have benzo for sure , but what Benzo ? Is a RC one ? I dunno.

Last few days been using b again, today I got 25 yellows, 2 bags and i got 3 Xanax bars as well, fakes I took 2 and gave one away got a ticke nothing special not long took 8 yellows before I smoked that bag, am chilled relaxed but ok to function in life, gonna smoke a few js of cheese and hopefully that brings it on, got a bag for later and tomorrow brekkie of Vs, which could be swallowed tonight well see.


Have good and safe one all
 
I was supposed to be standing by a train door, ready to jump out and head for The Dope Slope about now-ish, with my dealer approaching the rendezvous point from the other direction. Unfortunately, that has been postponed until tomorrow night. Probably for the best, really; as I'm supposed to be going to see my Nan tomorrow, for what could be the last time, and I don't want her to see me nodding. Got to let the old dear have a good last memory of me. And it also means my stash will appear to last an extra day .....
 
I was supposed to be standing by a train door, ready to jump out and head for The Dope Slope about now-ish, with my dealer approaching the rendezvous point from the other direction. Unfortunately, that has been postponed until tomorrow night. Probably for the best, really; as I'm supposed to be going to see my Nan tomorrow, for what could be the last time, and I don't want her to see me nodding. Got to let the old dear have a good last memory of me. And it also means my stash will appear to last an extra day .....

Have a happy non-noddy time with your Nan and having something saved/postponed to look forward to after is always a bonus (and now I've got a bloody Noddy & Big Ears headworm goddamit!)
 
Sorry about your

How you be so closing then not get the goodies , that would of broken me, boys I use I tx and there are there for me constant within reason, saying when am mad with the white when it's winding down a hit em up till they answer will evntually, get tackle drop at my hidey hole they all know about, while mates go will a joint maybe vals, but I go in at 5/6 with brown, showed the young boys the ropes , I have to different sent of mates , ones who drink and sell bit of shit gear bit of green , then my other boys sell there grannies, all good, no one was hurt in the making!!!


I swallowed em other 5mgs diazes, and smoked that bag, feeling fine I must say, but that's more doe for vals, and al want kit got some doe but need more , don't we always? Got shit else to , Jan I get my act for real time ,
Away to try and get a little nod
 
well got my eighth coming this evening, so sorted for xmas, i was worried at first cause the bank took my card, but i can go in this afternoon and draw money out thank god,

bit of bad news though as main guy who brings it down from the pool has said that its his last lot til mid jan (he hopes) so will be panicking by next week, just happy iv got xmas sorted

merry xmas to u all xx
 
I'm more or less done with it, just got a few bits and pieces for my final Christmas as a user. Just a few bags but have plenty of methadone and diazepam and clonazpam to keep me sorted. More rows in the homestead between the happy couple so I have had a dip over the last hour to help me maintain my passivity if nothing else. 2mg clonazepam, and with the kit not being dangerous strong I stuck 2 bags in the one ting to avoid damaging myself twice, then a 30mg methadone chaser which has nicely kicked in as the gear wore off extending the peace some more with the help of a spliff. No amount of gear helps the awfulness of a Christmas in my household looking after my lazy, bitter nasty and violent mother unless I just shut myself off for the entire period and spent the holiday in a nod. I still appreciate Christmas enough to not want to miss it altogether. Come Sunday, as long as my Dad and I get to watch the 2 films we have planned, cook, serve and eat the meal at the family dinner table without my Dad losing it through the constant barrage of disruption, nastiness and criticism that this loveless un - insightful alcohol dependant will inevitably throw at us from dawn until dusk, but as long as we can get as far as to whatever times the soap operas begins, we should be ok from there as she will not be disturbed under any circumstances whatsoever while these programs are on.

Sorry to vent like this but its this kind of psychological environment that contributed towards my relapse and is one of the reasons as to why I have found the process of knocking downers on the head so difficult this time around.

Merry Christmas zaramorf xxx I hope you find your bliss mate I understand the desire only too much but can no longer really go there now if I wish to try and have one more gp at living. Wish me luck ! For Christmas I mean, the rest of it's on my own head.
 
Merry Christmas zaramorf xxx I hope you find your bliss mate I understand the desire only too much but can no longer really go there now if I wish to try and have one more gp at living. Wish me luck ! For Christmas I mean, the rest of it's on my own head.[/QUOTE]

Aw.. i totally understand buddy and can see why u do what u do (i understand alchaholism long story) i think you're very brave and kind hearted..and very selfless.. you deserve a really great holiday buddy.. i hope you do have a top one considering your circumstances! all the best mate x
 
Cheers mate x I'm do not exactly practise the saintly behaviours you have, still very encouragingly for myself to read, ascribed to me and while my (have to include the disclaimer for the kids) continued contra - indicated poly drug use described above is no where near the pathetic levels of abuse I have visited upon myself previously but ultimately still are largely responsible for being in the situation I am now in. As for Christmas, it is the one thing that despite my putting as much effort and positivity into it as possible it is still completely beyond my control as to whether or not the day is a 'success'. And by 'success' I do simply mean being able to enjoy the films and for ALL of us to enjoy our dinner.

Watch four hours or so of tv over the day and eat.

I know I'm a stupid cunt who only has himself to blame for most things but I'm not evil, my selfishness has always been centred around my belief that it is acceptable to use heroin if people are going to insist on using other, potentially lethal and addictive drugs (which I have now had to accept appears not to be) but my selfishness has rarely extended beyond this issue, if I have something someone else needs then they can have it in most cases if I can afford to spare. 4 hours of tv + food. If I am going to hell at this point anyway is it honestly too much to ask for for my father and I?

Right, I promise that is the absolute extent of the bah humbugging for the rest of the holiday. I'm sorry for the whinging above, but it is a heroin discussion thread so anyone coming on here thinking they will find any overtly positive content is always likely to disappointed so I would not be able to improve the tone even by dropping dead.

Cheers for your post zaramorf it is genuinely nice to read xxxx and it's great when from someone who truly understands the pitfalls of this particular hobby. My best friend avoids me like the plague most of the time (which I do not blame him for) and I have not seen or spoken to him in nearly 2 months, but this morning I had a Blu - Ray copy of 'Deadpool' (which I buzzed about havong not seen it yet) arrive from amazon with a ahppy christmas note from said friend. Although he cannot be with me at the moment it's nice to know how well he knows me as this is one of the best things I could have to help me enjoy my 3rd Christmas without any human contact with anyone beyond the house walls
 
my selfishness has always been centred around my belief that it is acceptable to use heroin if people are going to insist on using other, potentially lethal and addictive drugs (which I have now had to accept appears not to be)

QFT! This is exactly how I excused my habits. It took me years to understand that a heroin addiction is far more insidious than alcohol and nicotine combined. Regrets? I've had a few, but especially the gear...
 
I'm abso sick off H right now!! I'm from just outside Glasgow in a wee town called hamilton, I only score off one person and it's decent lately well for 4 days they have had none! So I've been spending a fortune on pure shite! Really hammers home how much I hate it these days. I don't mix with hardly any users either so that makes it worse! Defo time to knock it on head but I haven't been off it since I started it
 
I was like you mate, only knew one person, i soon found another. Hardly anyone knows about me either but it gets more risky more you use. I am stuck with a valium habit just now not a junk one tho I am still using, this is a new addiction for me the valium , I have took them long before junk but never had a habit with them till now, and with pharma ones dried up it's gambling with tub valium, after having a few bags and 25 vals, I never woke up till 3 but I want another few bags or half g for tonight but my guy with the good stuff was away for his shop time I got there , much of made enough for today lol and too make it worse I had to wait till 10 for my vals, got 50, I have necked 15 and sniffed a bit of subby to try and help it along, and obv cannabis is in the mix, I am feeling a lot better than i was earlier but I could of been doing with a toot, I could of went bought shite but ad just be annoyed, with junk and vals you should get a proper junkie nod on, which at one time would disgust me and still would to look at, but the blissfullness of it.

If you can walk away do it now or it will change you forever, that's a fact.
 
Hello Bluelighters! ? Long time no chat! I haven't been on this thread in almost two years! It's great to see so many familiar faces, and good friends. ?
I hope you're all doing well. Can't believe another year has passed. I can't wait till Christmas is over. I hate all the fussing, and hassle. Bah Humbug! ?

I was looking for a bit of advice?
Especially from anyone from Dublin or/and Ireland.

My Boyfriend and I had an appointment with our Doctor yesterday (Friday 23rd). We see our Doctor once every two weeks, for the dreaded drug test, and not so dreaded methadone script.
Then we get take away from chemist...

So, we arrived at Doctor at 2pm for our appointment, and the place was closed.
Obviously, my Doctor got his dates mixed up, and forget they'd be closed for Christmas...
*pure panic*
I rang my chemist, they said they can't give me methadone without a script. She said she'd make a few phone calls. When she rang back, she said most Doctors were on Christmas holidays, but she did get one Doctor... But, that Doctor couldn't write a script because we're not in his area. She said only our own Doctor could write us a script.
She told me to go to the central methadone clinic. So we did, but, when we went there it was closed too...

So, there we were, on the Friday before Christmas, it was gone 4pm, and we'd no methadone script... HELP!

Does anyone know what we're supposed to do in a situation like this?
Does anyone know where we could go, considering it's Christmas?

Luckily, like any sensible junkies, we had a few hundred mls of methadone put aside for emergency. But, we've only enough to get us through 5 days, and our Doctor isn't back for 11 days...

Having no script is a perfect excuse to score, and if we score a few days, our methadone will last longer.
So, we scored yesterday, enough for yesterday and today.
But, I really, really don't wanna fall back into the trap of using daily...

Has anyone else had a situation like this?
If so, what did you do?

The Doctor I've been seeing lately is a trainee Doctor. He's a complete and utter knobhead! If I was to start explaining the amount of times he's fu©ked up at being a Doctor, I'd be here all day... But, this is the final straw. He told us to come back yesterday, so it's his mistake.
I honestly don't know what we would have done if we didn't have an emergency stash of methadone...

Thanks for reading my rant. I'd really appreciate any advice from anyone who knows where I should go to get an emergency script.
Thanks! xxx
 
Hi Runctions x Happy Christmas xx Sorry to hear about your predicament, other than presenting at an accident and emergency department you really need local advice from other Dubliners who know how to access the standard out of hours for your service (if there is one).

My mothers friend, a recently retired pharmacist from Raheny, is supposed to be ringing later this evening. I can ask her if she is aware of any local protocols for this kind of fuck up.

Other than that I really would not hold your breath. This happened to me over a year ago, thankfully just over a weekend and it was impossible to do anything. No one is likely to take responsibility for prescribing such a strong narcotic to an unknown patient. We have recently been lucky to be able to access an out of hours drug worker, which the office phone diverts too during such periods. They can sort this shit out now but with a 75% cutback to my DSP how long it will last I don't know.

As for slipping back into old ways...

- you have scored now. If you need to keep it up just keep it too a minimum not to hurt. If you get mashed then don't worry about it - fair play it's Christmas - you have been able to stay away from it for ages now so just see it as a holiday treat. Stop it again as soon as you can access your prescription.

- You have been able to stay out of its way for yonks. This isn't your fault - as I said - it's Christmas - you know to use for any length is just a game of diminished returns anyway with the shite they serve up half the time now anyway and this is absolutely nothing to do with your resolve which will still be completely intact when this crisis period is over.

Hope something comes loose and that whatever you have a good w/e and get back on track at the first op.

Stee x
 
Awww... Hi Stee! ? Hope you're keeping well, me auld pal!
If it isn't an awkward question to ask your Mum's friend, then I would be really grateful if you could ask her if she has any advice.
I live in North Dublin, not far from Raheny. It would be great if she had any advice whatsoever.
I don't know when my Doctor will be open again. He hasn't got his Christmas opening hours on his website, or on his answering machine.
But, I guessing he won't be back till after New Years...

It wasn't that big a deal that we scored. We've had quite a few slips in the last two years.
But, when we have a slip we only ever get a 1/16th between us. So, that's only 3 trays each. We go on a session for one day, and then back to normality.
It's been a long, long time since we've used for a few days in a row. I really don't wanna get back into that habit...

Hope you're keeping well yourself. Are you doing anything nice for Christmas?
I'm having a quiet one. I'll be glad when it's all over. I'm so antisocial! LOL! ?

Let me know if your Mum's friend has any advice. But, no worries if you don't wanna ask her about methadone. It can be a bit of a taboo subject...

It's great to see that the thread is still going strong. This thread was a lifeline when it started at the start of that dreaded drought. ?
 
Most doctors will be back open this wednesday so dont worry bout it. What happened that time yous got assaulted a year or 2 ago?
 
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