EADD-Heroin-Discussion-v-XXIII-New shit - same old problems

[steewith2ees]

What's this now?

 

[consumer]

Oh you UA'd the post just as i was about to make a joke that may or may not have involved FUBAR and dried dwarf anal cum.

 

[steewith2ees]

Oh you UA'd the post just as i was about to make a joke that may or may not have involved FUBAR and dried dwarf anal cum.

Sorry dude, you have the creative juices for a workaround I'm sure xx :D

 

[zaramorf]

My doc and keyworker made it sound as if I'd be alright, they'd never heard of addicts losing their licence after getting 'clean'.

Aye, cause every other cunt has been telling you a bunch of lies! I wish I'd just told them I'd informed the DVLA, but actually hadn't. The problem is if I'd been in an accident and it's on record that I had take subs I could have gotten a hefty fine if the DVLA didn't know. So I thought telling them was the right thing to do.

I'll go see my doc on Monday, perhaps if I appeal they will help.

Surely every case is different?

I can't get my head around that every recovering addict are banned from driving within the first year of treatment!!!

sorry to hear this mate. seems a real shit thing to do by your doc, telling u to be honest, i would've thought your DW would know about the 12month thing if that is a real thing.. it seems not faie at all, i really feel for you, telling the truth like u were told to do for them to chuck it back in your face

Can u not get back out of it by telling your worker that u have told DVLA, and just don't tell them anything else.. its a real bummer mate, i feel for ya, seems the truth aint the best way to go sometimes eh..

back on subject, my main man is ok as he got his usual decent for now, just hope this drought iv been hearing about don't effect him!!!

 

[consumer]

Sorry dude, you have the creative juices for a workaround I'm sure xx :D

All good brother. I have no doubt the opportunity will present itself again.

 

[MUSHET]

sorry to hear this mate. seems a real shit thing to do by your doc, telling u to be honest, i would've thought your DW would know about the 12month thing if that is a real thing.. it seems not faie at all, i really feel for you, telling the truth like u were told to do for them to chuck it back in your face

Can u not get back out of it by telling your worker that u have told DVLA, and just don't tell them anything else.. its a real bummer mate, i feel for ya, seems the truth aint the best way to go sometimes eh..

back on subject, my main man is ok as he got his usual decent for now, just hope this drought iv been hearing about don't effect him!!!

The DVLA have now been informed unfortunately.

No wonder I take drugs. You seem to get more shafted when coming off the fuckers...

Driving about for a couple of years on heroin constantly... never a problem. Decide to get clean and I get punished.

Imagine I was a taxi driver or a lorry driver?

 

[steewith2ees]

Driving about for a couple of years on heroin constantly... never a problem. Decide to get clean and I get punished.

Imagine I was a taxi driver or a lorry driver?

I know, it's a fucker, I have been wallowing in this very irony for some time. Still, in some respects I'm glad I'm not driving but I do not have the family travel commitments you do. It's not going to be easy getting work due to this either regardless of how quickly (or not) I manage to clean my act up come the new year.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The DVLA have now been informed unfortunately.

No wonder I take drugs. You seem to get more shafted when coming off the fuckers...

Driving about for a couple of years on heroin constantly... never a problem. Decide to get clean and I get punished.

Imagine I was a taxi driver or a lorry driver?

Will it show on your licence as a ban?

 

[MUSHET]

Thanks for the responses peeps... I'm going to contact my doc and key worker tomorrow, according to the letter I have 3 weeks to appeal (in Scotland that is, in England you get 6 months).

Fingers crossed, they might look at my case, if I get the doc to give me a letter, make sure I give clean piss samples etc (might have to get my dug to pee in a bowl - haha ha, joking ha). I've been pretty good so far, been sticking to the rules and doing what is asked of me. Even bought a wee key lock box to put subs in and the key worker has noted all this and seen for herself, she's not used to folk being so compliant, perhaps all of this will go in my favour. I imagine the DVLA have a small-minded mental image of your 'stereotypical' junky and unfortunately place everyone into this category. Life isn't as fucking black and white as that. Arseholes.

 

[MUSHET]

Will it show on your licence as a ban?

Dunno man, is 'revoked' classified as the same thing in their eyes? I'm freaking out a bit.

 

[steewith2ees]

It shouldn't - it's defined under medical ability to drive as a pose to a criminal conviction. Don't know how much difference that will make with the robdogs at the insurance however...

 

[Buspersons Holiday]

I'm shocked to read this Mushet and sorry about that official slap in the face when you've been jumping through al the hoops you were told to. I actually know someone who's on a Subutex reduction programme and his driving/informing the DVLA has not been mentioned at all, but I'll make him aware of your situation.

On the DVLA list of medical conditions that you need to inform them about, only 'drug misuse' is listed as an option re drugs
https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving

If a 'supervised, monitored drug reduction programme' isn't on the list, then surely the prescribing Doctor should not recommend informing the DVLA if he/she is happy that drugs are not being misused by the patient. If use of any drugs, even if prescribed & part of a reduction programme, are officially in the 'drug misuse' category, then it's hugely insulting, short-sighted and discouraging to people who are playing by the rules, testing clean and proving that they are not misusing drugs
I'm not going to be telling them about my Deja Vu anyway, that's for sure, (Yes, it really is on that list!) though I'm sure I said that yesterday

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drug-or-alcohol-misuse-or-dependence-assessing-fitness-to-drive

Note on methadone

Full compliance with an oral methadone maintenance programme supervised by a consultant specialist may allow licensing subject to favourable assessment and, usually, annual medical review. Similar criteria may apply for an oral buprenorphine programme. There should be no evidence of continued use of other substances, including cannabis.

I'm unsure if this means that you still lose your licence for a year, or that they may judge you favourably & decide whether you keep your licence?
Obviously if any medication is going to be above the specified limit, then that's a no no, but then this page seems to contradict the others https://www.gov.uk/drug-driving-law

I'm all DVLA'd out now, but it seems grossly unfair for this to happen without taking facts and proof of non-misuse into account and will surely put a lot of people who genuinely want help coming off drugs from asking for help

 

[steewith2ees]

That's a great post Buspersons Holiday thanks for digging that stuff up. Hopefully it should allow folk who may be making these decisions arrive at the right one xxx

 

[zaramorf]

saw my main guy today, he said matey who supplies him straight from liverpool has told him its getting pretty dry up there, but i'm lucky as my guy has stocked up for crimbo.. so my panicking is over for now..

 

[strungout2010]

Hi guys. Good to see the thread active,hope everyone's cool , my fella told me a couple days ago it's dry as fuck out there and the £ they want on a box is fucking crackerjack. And he's not prepared to pay it ????
FUCKING CHRISTMAS lol.
Asked him to put X amount by for me while it's still quality. He's saying could well go into the new year. Best wishes to you all.

 

[BecomingJulie]

Apparently there have been a few major busts in the UK and Ireland.

But there are always busts. The whole supply chain has busts factored in. We're also in the middle of what is basically a competition to see who can spend the most money because this will determine their social standing for the following year, so everybody wants more money, including dealers; so any excuse will be used to raise prices, because they can. People who only take drugs on special occasions are finding a suitably special occasion on which to take drugs, so there is an increase in demand. It's also difficult to stash opiates of any description for any length of time; they have a penchant for finding their way into people's bloodstreams, no matter how much you've got, there's loads, you're never going to miss a little line, just enough to take the rough edges off and no more, one little hit then I'll put it away for later, had enough now, don't need any more, well, OK, maybe just a tiny tootle, and I'll save the rest for later, shit, there's hardly any left, I'm sure I had more than that ..... ? Oh, well, what the hell, may as well just go for broke .....

It's basically a perfect shitstorm, is what it is.

 

[zaramorf]

Been told by quite a few people now that there is a drought up north, luckily for me its not affecting me yet.. i don't wanna speak to soon though eh!

 

[steewith2ees]

Right, after receiving notification of 'new, better food' I finally made what I hope will be my last shopping trip of this nature (I'm still paranoid about even going onto this particular manor as the chemist where I get my sundries from is next to where that cunt attacked me back at the end of the summer). Got 2 whites for posterity, and the excellent 10 minute buzz I got from smoking them was a nice novelty and a fantastic reminder as to why I have never really wasted much money in that direction and now do not intend to again. Not bad in the grand scheme but I would still prefer a gram of decent phet any day of the week, it's just more of a commitment riding that particular magic carpet rather than the short bellringing hop that that rubbish provides.

And the gear, either it was going to do the trick in which case that's my final Christmas night twist sorted or it would be the garbage that has been doing the round last time I dipped my toe. Either way there is now no justification for getting any more. Got 10 0.1's, shot one, smoked one and am surprisingly impressed with how nice I am now. It's been a while and now with, methadone aside, reasonably low tolerance, I should be able to increase the peace with a spliff now and save the other 8 for, what I hope will be my final dabble on yuletide. Yabble dabble yule!

 

[consumer]

I hope it is your last toe dip brother. I seem to recall the same post last year. Give that shit the flick. You can do it but you have to be determined.

 

[steewith2ees]

I seem to recall the same post last year.

Cheers buddy - I am determined and extremely motivated - this is the longest I have ever been out of work and this is my last chance to keep myself off the scrapheap upon which I ultimately belong, the only reason I have not removed my disgusting parasite of a person from this world by direct means is due to the fact that not only am I weak but because I am also because I am a fucking selfish coward.

If you recall a similar post from last year then it must have been from another member as this autumn is the first time I have EVER stated that I intend to stop using after a specific date, including to my keyworker who I said the above to almost verbatim when I saw her yesterday (she knows that I was planning on a last blast over Christmas). I was on 70mls of methadone this time last year so I would not have stated then or at any point that I intend to stop using street heroin completely. Although it has long been my intention to finish my treatment before starting a 14 week rehabilitation and while I may have mentioned that this is my plan for an exit from this 12 year loop the loop, I know for an absolute fact I have never said I would stop using within a specific time frame until now, as it would have almost definitely been a lie which is why I have been careful to never make such a statement. I have continuously reduced my methadone month by month from 70 to 30, but with Christmas and all that I asked for the reduction to be halted over the silly season. as it is holding me well (today is the 3rd time I have used in 2months, and while I know that is still pathetic according to anyone's standards - 3 times too many, but for someone who was using virtually daily only 18 moths back forgive me for seeing this as a long overdue step in the right direction.) With the methadone doing the trick any attempt to continue with the reduction over Christmas might be counterproductive as I would probably end up returning to on top regular use and when I see the doc again in January I want to be in the position to carry on lowering as is quickly to do so without exposing myself to relapse tempting levels of discomfort.

Still, make hay while the sun shines, as I said today is my first decent lick in a while and while I regret my stupidity and the choices I made to land myself in such a pathetically juvenile mess, I have loved drugs since I started using them in 1994 and while I know I'm a useless fucking prick I feel fucking class at the moment and as this could very well be one of the last dunts I have in this direction I am going to lap up the gorgeousness. I know I'm a vile disgusting cunt for taking pleasure in such things but when you ultimately have no redeeming features whatsoever and hate yourself and your life I am just going to use the opportunity to temporarily escape from my abortion of an existence. The fucking weed I have is lush as well, I have been smoking the same one all week and it is definitely responsible for inducing positive feelings about various things which, objectively, I am aware I am not entitled to or deserve.