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Aye I fucking love me a good fat bong or twenty of indica-strong hash especially with dope.

I think all my connects died. though for gear. The rare times, in emergencies I'd score off the street, off this homeless guy, a real stand up dude, despite being a crackhead and H user, always went out of his way to look after me when going to shitty areas of town he knew and I didn't, to score. I'd sort him a bit, he'd sometimes share a bit of rock etc.

Even when picking up in the region of 200 worth of H, the guy insisted I keep hold of his phone with his contacts on it etc, as security, although in the end I said keep it, and he never screwed me over. He could have. Well he could have tried and died for it where he stood, although I never had to warn him he'd have ended up with his eyes torn out and fed to him had he tried to jack me. Bags always untouched and right as they should be until I opened them and sorted him out. Unfortunately, the dope that a warning, NW, manchester area about, that got stickied, by someone, that must have been the same gear because there was no way in hell a quantity that were it purified, recrystallized diamorphine from pharm morphine, or dipropionylmorphine (a little greater of an increase in weight potency between H and prope, as there is between morphine and H. And prope lasts for ages, 15 hours isn't unreasonable from a solid IM dose.

But this obviously cut with some super-potent opioid, that got me with a bastard of a tolerance knocked out cold a few times smoking a few little grains, match-head size portions were enough to hit me like a tank. Weeks after that arrived on scene, and the homeless guy I scored with warned me watch out, this the most potent dope I've ever had mate. Month or so later, him and every dealer we knew, gone, disappeared off the face of the earth, and he's let me know if he's gotten a new number in the past so that ain't it. And unlikely everybody would at the exact same time.

Stuff scared the shite out of me to be honest. Short duration, gear in there, yes, could taste it. But a couple of tokes from the pipe and it was not dissimilar to some of the fent derivatives, or fent, that I've had, and whilst regular gear I could shoot bags of the stuff, I tried shooting the tiniest bit of that stuff. I only did it once. Because I think any more and I'd have ended up in the ground pushing up poppy flowers. Fuck daisies, but certainly something. And the rats would be gnawing my bones by now.

Sitting here with a near empty 28 count, couple of strips of oxy IR. Both near empty. Got my script doubled to 56 of those a week for breakthrough pain in my joints. Which has bought me the time to get hold of just short of a gram of uncut prope gear. Another oxy up the nose, just one, as I'm close to puking. Will take some ondansetron and cyclizine in a bit when I CBF moving. Right now, a combination of nitrazepam and chlormethiazole are keeping me pretty much on lockdown, not getting the fuck up off my chair, sitting back and listening to opeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIo3lpXrc5A Fuck yeah. Love this one. 'reverie/harlequin forest' and leaning back, smoking my rollup, with a bottle of black grape 'KA' pop. Fucking love that stuff. That and the bubblegum soda I've got in the fridge chilling.

Going to be trying this soon too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP-237 although trying its N-propionamide analog first, since that would have to undergo decarboxylation in 30% NaOH and then reacylation with butyric anhydride before the compound itself made its appearance. And buggered if I can be arsed waiting for someone to do a 15 hour reflux:P

But both will be tried.

As for krokodil, sod that. Do want to try desomorphine though, apparently the rush is a real knockout. The problem with krokodil is not the drug desomorphine itself, its the fact the russkis are shooting a noxious mixture of nonpolar solvents, leftover SOCl2 probably/possibly and iodine/HI and phosphorus byproducts. Bugger that to the hounds of hell is my take on doing that!.

Chlorination of morphine is clean using SOCl2, if the morphine and SOCl2 are clean, and its done with due care and anhydrous conditions. Apparently palladium catalysts will perform the hydrogenation cleanly using H2 gas at atmospheric pressure, or just sligtly above, with the hydrogen being contained in a balloon over the flask and refilled as needed. No Parr bottle or owt needed. Clean, and reportedly near quantitative in anhydrous ethanol or most likely also isopropanol. Never done it though. Right now, I'm looking forward to a nice taste o' prope dope, but of course *I*'d never do a thing like make it. Not me, wouldn't even know where to start making an ester of morphine or diester of morphine...come to think of it..whats an ester? anyone know? I thought it was a girl's name and a book in the bible.

Wurvely stuff though, and never mind street H, diamorphine has sod all on the stuff. But can't manage any more opiates now actually I don't think because if I do I'll toss my fucking cookies like theresa may with satan's own knob in her talons. Fucking travesty, mitotic accident and hypertrophic cnidocyte upon the scrotum of subhumanity that the fucking whore from hell is, may she rot there. Actually come to think of it, the opeth track I'm listening to now, 'beneath the mire' describes exactly where she should go. 'drowning, beneath the mire'
 
You always make it sound so nuts, to me good gear, bad gear!! I know the difference between them 2. Good luck & maybe your getting the best of the best.

I foled yesterday, I wasn't allowed to pick my meth up till AT LEAST half 2, some vals give me an hour no way could I go that long & that day I woke up with no vals , but money in my pocket, went to see my vals man and he was cleaning out his tooters, about over a g, I got 50 yellows & i say I going to xs because I need a few bags because my script, so he offers me the foil, smoked a few lines , he smoked a few , and I was staring to feel better, he said ya saying going to xs I said yeah , he said fold that up and put ur 2 bags over that get the clear taste back in it, easy over a gram, I really think he wanted me to agree to walking some where first with him and that was his tool, because he kept saying have another line , I felt better anyway, when I got back with my 2 bags, what a beetle I had, never got there till pass 4 for my script , I was smashed then I took my meth, felt top dollar yesterday.

Back off it today because i got some shit for doing it, but I took 10 yellows with a wee coffee & felt a glow, headed for my meth and what I had to do ...

Still waiting on a house , plus have pip shit on weds, shitting my selfs, same with esa get the lowest when I got the highest before jail, like jail sorts your mental health , get less than 8 quid a day to live on, but youv to be straight peg, can't do fuck all , cunts will owe me a few g, & that'll be another fight
 
Aye I fucking love me a good fat bong or twenty of indica-strong hash especially with dope.

I think all my connects died. though for gear. The rare times, in emergencies I'd score off the street, off this homeless guy, a real stand up dude, despite being a crackhead and H user, always went out of his way to look after me when going to shitty areas of town he knew and I didn't, to score. I'd sort him a bit, he'd sometimes share a bit of rock etc.

Even when picking up in the region of 200 worth of H, the guy insisted I keep hold of his phone with his contacts on it etc, as security, although in the end I said keep it, and he never screwed me over. He could have. Well he could have tried and died for it where he stood, although I never had to warn him he'd have ended up with his eyes torn out and fed to him had he tried to jack me. Bags always untouched and right as they should be until I opened them and sorted him out. Unfortunately, the dope that a warning, NW, manchester area about, that got stickied, by someone, that must have been the same gear because there was no way in hell a quantity that were it purified, recrystallized diamorphine from pharm morphine, or dipropionylmorphine (a little greater of an increase in weight potency between H and prope, as there is between morphine and H. And prope lasts for ages, 15 hours isn't unreasonable from a solid IM dose.

But this obviously cut with some super-potent opioid, that got me with a bastard of a tolerance knocked out cold a few times smoking a few little grains, match-head size portions were enough to hit me like a tank. Weeks after that arrived on scene, and the homeless guy I scored with warned me watch out, this the most potent dope I've ever had mate. Month or so later, him and every dealer we knew, gone, disappeared off the face of the earth, and he's let me know if he's gotten a new number in the past so that ain't it. And unlikely everybody would at the exact same time.

Stuff scared the shite out of me to be honest. Short duration, gear in there, yes, could taste it. But a couple of tokes from the pipe and it was not dissimilar to some of the fent derivatives, or fent, that I've had, and whilst regular gear I could shoot bags of the stuff, I tried shooting the tiniest bit of that stuff. I only did it once. Because I think any more and I'd have ended up in the ground pushing up poppy flowers. Fuck daisies, but certainly something. And the rats would be gnawing my bones by now.

Sitting here with a near empty 28 count, couple of strips of oxy IR. Both near empty. Got my script doubled to 56 of those a week for breakthrough pain in my joints. Which has bought me the time to get hold of just short of a gram of uncut prope gear. Another oxy up the nose, just one, as I'm close to puking. Will take some ondansetron and cyclizine in a bit when I CBF moving. Right now, a combination of nitrazepam and chlormethiazole are keeping me pretty much on lockdown, not getting the fuck up off my chair, sitting back and listening to opeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIo3lpXrc5A Fuck yeah. Love this one. 'reverie/harlequin forest' and leaning back, smoking my rollup, with a bottle of black grape 'KA' pop. Fucking love that stuff. That and the bubblegum soda I've got in the fridge chilling.

Going to be trying this soon too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP-237 although trying its N-propionamide analog first, since that would have to undergo decarboxylation in 30% NaOH and then reacylation with butyric anhydride before the compound itself made its appearance. And buggered if I can be arsed waiting for someone to do a 15 hour reflux:P

But both will be tried.

As for krokodil, sod that. Do want to try desomorphine though, apparently the rush is a real knockout. The problem with krokodil is not the drug desomorphine itself, its the fact the russkis are shooting a noxious mixture of nonpolar solvents, leftover SOCl2 probably/possibly and iodine/HI and phosphorus byproducts. Bugger that to the hounds of hell is my take on doing that!.

Chlorination of morphine is clean using SOCl2, if the morphine and SOCl2 are clean, and its done with due care and anhydrous conditions. Apparently palladium catalysts will perform the hydrogenation cleanly using H2 gas at atmospheric pressure, or just sligtly above, with the hydrogen being contained in a balloon over the flask and refilled as needed. No Parr bottle or owt needed. Clean, and reportedly near quantitative in anhydrous ethanol or most likely also isopropanol. Never done it though. Right now, I'm looking forward to a nice taste o' prope dope, but of course *I*'d never do a thing like make it. Not me, wouldn't even know where to start making an ester of morphine or diester of morphine...come to think of it..whats an ester? anyone know? I thought it was a girl's name and a book in the bible.

Wurvely stuff though, and never mind street H, diamorphine has sod all on the stuff. But can't manage any more opiates now actually I don't think because if I do I'll toss my fucking cookies like theresa may with satan's own knob in her talons. Fucking travesty, mitotic accident and hypertrophic cnidocyte upon the scrotum of subhumanity that the fucking whore from hell is, may she rot there. Actually come to think of it, the opeth track I'm listening to now, 'beneath the mire' describes exactly where she should go. 'drowning, beneath the mire'

Every post of yours I read I end up craving some Dipropionylmorphine! 15 hours?! 8o
 
What does that stuff do like ?

Never had no gear over the weekend part from a few lines, but got 80ml more of meth on top of my own 40ml, with vals, I was smashed , ain't as good as the junk tho even with the vals , but it's still nice & content, really nice day/night was had. Missing gear tho, but my living situation means I can't smoke gear at my mums anymore. Plus I cant earn either she's turned into a pure cunt over that too, so basically skint, after av got enough vals and green that's it , hard being back here. Should be any day am out here but that's gonna bring its own challenges too start with!! But think ad rather do that & live here. Hopefully my moneys just round the corner to being sorted, what am due backdated will get me on my feet again, and having more money monthly will obv help too.
 
What does that stuff do like ?

Never had no gear over the weekend part from a few lines, but got 80ml more of meth on top of my own 40ml, with vals, I was smashed , ain't as good as the junk tho even with the vals , but it's still nice & content, really nice day/night was had. Missing gear tho, but my living situation means I can't smoke gear at my mums anymore. Plus I cant earn either she's turned into a pure cunt over that too, so basically skint, after av got enough vals and green that's it , hard being back here. Should be any day am out here but that's gonna bring its own challenges too start with!! But think ad rather do that & live here. Hopefully my moneys just round the corner to being sorted, what am due backdated will get me on my feet again, and having more money monthly will obv help too.


Why you get your own place and a lump sum of cash, you aren't suddenly going to do less drugs at all, are you? Be honest.

You say you can't smoke gear where you are now, can't sell drugs and have no money. What makes you think that you'll stop using or use less when you no longer are living with someone who disapproves, are around bigger quantities of drugs and other drug users, and have more cash? You're in total denial about your drug addiction, living situation and basically everything else. You are headed for major major problems. If you stopped the benzos now chances are you will experience moderate-severe benzo withdrawal, which makes opiate WD seem easy
 
When I say I can't do a bit, I mean not nearly on the scale, I like sniffing gear, you'll read that on many my posts in this thread, & I have stopped doing that because I don't want to use smack, odd time yeah but don't feel the need for it every day, I do with the benzos, I can't see that changing anytime soon to be fair. Am not wasted, not durning the day anyway, but if I want to take a few benzos at night and smoke a bag, am old enough to do what I want , or even snort a bag, because am holding constant I could do that , but i choose not to do that, i feel the meth with my valium keeps me stable & I don't feel the need for heroin every day. I get one prescribed from a doctor, and I need to buy the diazepam illegally sadly as youv no chance of meth and vals script, I feel I need to go on to maybe 50ml because i rattle soon as I wake up, but for me has stopped cravings, I kept fucking my subby script because I would use, or the times i didn't use ad use a lot more valium than am currently using to fill that hole, but since I am on 40ml of meth & on an average day using 10-15 yellows, beats the shit of a smack habit for me. Obv I can't let the odd time pass, but that'll be next, think av found my crutch
 
What does what do? ibogaine or DPM?

And 15 hours is rather a large and generous understatement. I was being very conservative. I've known one shot to last all day, done in the morning, I've been fine and only needed another come the night time, sometimes I've slept right through the night after nodding much of the day.

Not the best opioid I've ever had though. That was 6-monoacetoxydihydromorphine. I was taking memantine at the time, not sure how much difference that made since I've only ever had the one 300mg dose of 6-AcO-DHM (jesus H christ on a bike, don't do that much if you haven't a beast of a tolerance btw or you'll probably end up as a meat popsicle with a toe tag), shot that and bloody shitting iesu christi, that blew my head right off. Never felt anything like it. The initial rush itself on IV began after I'd got all but a ml or so of 5ml solution containing the 300mg I was given as a gift. And damned fuck, its got some long legs, hit me like a runaway battle tank and just carried on going for the next half an hour to 3/4 hour without slowing or stopping. Made me physically dizzy and hard to walk. I had often to hold on to things to do things like opening doors it was that damn intense, made my hands and fingers twitch and my entire body feel like it was vibrating. Amazing stuff.

Only that has ever been better to my tastes than either dipropionlymorphine or opium, after removal of codeine, having been subjected to purification to yield afull- or very broad at worst-spectrum alkaloid isolate after extraction of pods and straw and then treated with a little propionyl chloride after first forming a salt, to protect the amine from acylation by the acid halide and subsequently forming an amide, which would lose product due to said side reaction. Along with a mild, gentle base, such a sodium bicarbonate to absorb the HCl released by the acid halide. The anhydrides work too but heating is needed, a base is needed afterwards, although a pinch of sodium carboxylic acid salt, such as NaOAc for H or for DPM, sodium propionate helps improve yield. But PH adjustment and solvent extraction, recrystallization is needed, for with every mole of an acid anhydride reacted with an alcohol or phenol to form the corresponding ester, or with an amine to yield the carboxylic acid amide, unlike the acyl halides which decompose to give HCl gas on reacting, or if water is present they decompose the anhydrides are slower, they release an equimolar amount of the carboxylic acid, require no base as such, but need PH adjustment or trapping the carboxylic acid byproduct as a low molecular weight ester which can then be distilled off.

At least, works alright in some amidations, depending on the BP of the sought compound and that of the ester, methyl or ethyl esters are probably best since they are some of the smallest amongst the alcohols, and have correspondingly low boiling points of their esters. Anhydrides are less reactive than the acid chlorides, bromides etc and just IMO, less likely to undergo amidation of salt of the amine with a stronger acid. Such as morphine sulfate or hydrochloride, bearing in mind PH control during the reaction (just very very slightly basic), anhydrous acetone seems to work nicely as solvent, being cooled right down in an ice bath, two molar equivalents of the acid chloride or bromide in freshly dried anhydrous acetone, distilled under inert gas, welder's argon or nitrogen will do ya' just nicely) dissolved as a solution in said anhydrous 'tone being added to a solution of morphine sulfate under argon in anhydrous, ice-cold acetone, keeping the flask in an ice-salt-water-methylated spirits cryo bath, adding the acid chloride in anhydrous acetone slowly, dropwise with stirring either from an inert gas-purged separatory funnel (stoppering the top joint of the funnel works to greatly slow both the drop rate and the exposure of the acid halide to air) and slowly adding the acyl halide to morphine sulfate, which should have a stoichiometric proportion of freshly oven-dried sodium bicarbonate added, according to the amount of HCl to be released by the acid halide as it reacts. Best to add the bicarb in portions during the course of the acylation to avoid over-basifying and deprotection of the amine salt to the freebase.

Workup consists of testing PH, and if acidic, adding bicarbonate after the rxn is complete and the acetone stripped off by gentle distillation after allowing the reaction mixture to warm to room temp. BP of acetone is about 40-something degrees 'C so it comes over easily, and can be recycled and saved, after treatment with bicarbonate paste to absorb any HCl. Another, more convenient way to quench any unreacted acid halide is to add anhydrous methanol, freshly distilled from quicklime to absorb any water (strongly exothermic, careful) at a quickish dropwise rate, no cooling needed, this reacts to form the methyl esters, methyl chloride which is gaseous and a quick boil when the rxn is complete expels it easily, and probably a little methyl propionate if any of the acid chloride/bromide decomposed to traces of propionic acid.

Then recystallization from anhydrous methanol or ethanol (no methylated spirits here people), iPA works too. This removes the inorganic salts, such as NaCl from the organics, the product will be in the alcohol fraction whereas the insolubles are inorganic salts. Followed by basification of either the alcohol solution (more convenient or H2O soln. Ammonia gas, easily generated by careful addition of NaOH in solution to ammonium phosphate or sulfate fertilizer, and dried by passage through NaOH or quicklime (CaO, calcium oxide) in the dry state, if into a non-aqueous, such as alcoholic solution of the morphine diester that just got prepared, ammonia is the base to use for this, then taking up into chloroform or dichloromethane (methylene chloride, can be distilled from certain spray glues) dichlor being more convenient than CHCl3. Although chloroform can be prepared if desired by the haloform reaction, using acetone as the substrate, reacting with alkali metal hydroxide (NaOH, KOH) and sodium hypochlorite (I.e bleach, at a pinch, which convenientl, comes with hydroxide added) Yields aren't great based on acetone, but the resulting chloroform can be distilled off, washed with water and redistilled to purify it, dichlor and chloroform are a couple of the best solvents for morphinan opioids. And then either kept as the freebase, or carefully salted, again, once the dry powder is obtained, if salting, using DILUTE acid, slowly, with stirring, and then the dipropionylmorphine will be in the polar layer, extracted either with alcohol or water. Alcohols are more convenient since they have lower boiling points, and the likes of methanol can be used and evaporated off easily and a lot quicker than water. You don't want to store the esters in solution in H2O any longer than necessary as hydrolysis can take place back to morphine.

I'm sure it isn'ae perfect, an amine base would be more efficient, or pyridine/4-DMAP, but would complicate workup, needing additional purification, and pyridine stinks something hideous, never worked with para-DMAP but its toxic, and probably stinks just like pyridine does [DMAP stands for 4-dimethylaminopyridine], it'd give better yields than pyridine but again its NOT something you'd want in your finished product.

If intended for smoking, you want the base, just gas solution with ammonia until precipitation of the freebase from a polar solvent solution of the salts, such as the sulfate or HCl then remove the ammonium salts using dry alcohols or taking up in dichloromethane or chloroform of the freebase, and evaporation (preferably distillation, actually, so as to save your chloroform or dichlor, recover and recycle, folks, its good for the environment, and its good for your walllet too. Also good for your not having to fuck around every time doing a fresh haloform reaction or distillation of spray glue (use disposable stills, made from metal rather than glassware for distilling those glues, as you don't want your glass befouled by the shite left behind distilling spray glues for dichloromethane. Ewww. 'nuff said)

Best to add a little EtOH and some bicarbonate to the chloroform, to stabilize it, its not a huge worry, but CHCl3 can over time, or if burnt in flames, produce the insidious and deadly phosgene gas, C=OCl2, carbonyl dichloride. Its lethal and has a very faint smell (it smells like musty hay or drying grass. And just finding that out by means other than reading scared the fucking shit out of me. I'd be dead now if I didn't know what phosgene smells like before the one time I've ever been in its presence after someone accidentally created it. Put it this way-even helping decontaminate the building, from the tiny quantity they accidentally created, masked up I still went outside to breath, through the mask, and held my breath in there whilst assisting cleanup. You get no second chance with phosgene. And its cumulative. There is no antidote either. Inhale a lethal concentration either at once or over time and you are a dead man walking. Or to use the technical term 'your bloody well buggered mate.' although storage of and distillation of chloroform is fine enough, especially once stabilized with addition of a couple of ml of ethanol (distilled from vodka will do) and a bit of bicarbonate, this will react with any COCl2 as quickly as it forms (which is slow anyway) and form hydrochloric acid as a byproduct which is thence scrubbed in-situ by the bicarb. So don't crap your kecks at the thought of a haloform, or distillation of chloroform. Just stabilize it, and avoid throwing it on a fire or hotplate and your not going to drop dead.


And if your really bothered, just carefully distill the lower-boiling methylene chloride from glue. Remember, fabricate the still for this using the likes of soldered pipes, copper pipe condensers, and soldered back up tin cans. Its got a low BP and easily distilled off. The reason for this is to avoid boiling off the dichlor from the glue in proper glass and fouling up the glassware with revolting and doubtless nasty to remove gluey residue.

The dichlor if its not named on the ingredient list 'dichloromethane' or 'methylene chloride' can be detected by means of the distinctive smell, and rapid evaporation of the glue. CH2Cl2 smells like chloroform but harsher, less sweet, a white kind of smell (sorry synaesthete where it comes to chemistry and food, the color of the smell probably/maybe doesn't carry over well). If you've never smelled chloroform, get a bottle of Bell's or Care+ brand codeine syrup. Not the sugar free faux orange disgusting muck, but the sugar-containing type, that sweetish, aromatic smell is chloroform. They flavour the linctus with it, and/or use the CHCl3 as a preservative. Dichloromethane smells very similar although less sweet, with slightly more of a bite.
 
Did you take it when you came off?

Nah but one of my acquaintances at the time was a proponent of it. He'd also microdose the root bark to keep cravings at bay, apparently that helped him. The full blown experience never really worked for him though, and if anything was quite dangerous in terms of blood pressure dropping.

I went down the subutex route, then just took a bunch traditional psyches instead...
 
Dropping? surprises me. I was under the impression that iboga was a strong stimulant and had quite the PNS push to it?

I find high-end dosed memantine to be (although I've never taken iboga rootbark or ibogaine) the sine qua non of opioid-taper or WD meds. Or better yet, a combination of memantine (I've used it at up to 100mg BD, morning and night) along with clonidine, tizanidine (zanaflex, a muscle relaxant that works similarly to clonidine, on the alpha2 adrenergic autoreceptor) and chlormethiazole.

Alcohol is best avoided for anything but something like a script running out 1 day early, as a last few hours KO, or to snatch a few hours sleep when its otherwise impossible (NOT to be combined with chlormethiazole. Not if you want to wake up again anyway)

Weed is always good if its to be had of course, but the above is my ideal opioid detox kit. Preferably with access to opioids so a lower dose can be taken if things get too much, and starting with the full dose opiod-memantine combination for the first few days, it'll absolutely stomp on tolerance, and it potentiates opioids like crazy. Seems to, for me, to make them almost non-addictive, psychologically speaking, on it I really care less for morphine&oxy, when they are sitting there in profusion.

Its saved my arse before from severe withdrawal, after getting nicked by the filth, and held overnight, denied my meds to try and coerce an untrue confession out of me. I'd have been in a bad way, probably seriously, since I need to take GABA agonists, chlormethiazole, mostly, and I only managed to snatch my morning dose that day) but the memantine is LONG acting, and I'd taken a lot of it, the day and evening before, I barely felt any withdrawal even from the high doses of opioids I take daily and have done for a long time now (too long probably)
 
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I'm no doctor Limpet but his heart rate for sure definitely dropped to some scary levels.

TBH he may have also been on benzos or something which may have compounded the issue.

Which is why I hesitate to recommend it as any sort of magic bullet treatment for heroin addiction. Too many variables, needs to be done in a controlled setting imo.
 
Neither am I, bella, just going on what I've read of it. I've always been under the impression that it was strongly stimulating and quite intensely so. Certainly meant to be at breakthrough doses is it not? I wonder if its a strong alpha2 adrenoreceptor agonist at microdoses perhaps with a higher affinity/efficacy at alpha2 than for beta-adrenoreceptors or alpha1 ARs. Mere musing mind you.

From what I've read of ibogaine, although as I said I've never tried it, if i did so alone, I'd certainly keep the doses small, its definitely an experience that needs a trip-sitter. And one that knows what they are doing. I do most psychedelics alone, same goes for dissociatives. Don't think twice about hitting some DMT if its to be had, without anyone there, in fact I'd prefer it to be the case. Entactogens are the only real exception. But I would want someone around to keep an eye on things if I were to go for ibogaine.

Memantine on the other hand, whilst it does have that dissociative NMDA antagonist signature clearly felt at high doses, it really doesn't fuck with heads like dissociatives, of the ket ilk do. or can do. One can feel it clearly and tell what its doing, but its not in my experience a drug that forces itself on one in any sense that interferes with daily activity. I don't drive, but wouldn't on high dose memantine, to be on the safe side, and because it isn't just me that might get meatpasted if the shit did hit the fan.

As for now, for some reason I have an unusual hankering for some dibenzoylmorphine, but I really cannot be arsed. So quickly plugged 50-60mg oxy IR in solution and a bit of mixed AP-237 and the homolog of same where propionyl replaces n-butyryl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP-237. an N,N-disubstituted amidoamine piperazine, theres a series of them, based on an N-cinnamylpiperazine backbone, with a varying acyl substituent on the other piperazine secondary amine nitrogen. 1-(n)butyryl-4-cinnamyl is the most active activity very very low when n-butyryamido is swapped for an acetamide moiety, and papers vary as to the potency of the propionamide compared to n-butyryl. Still making up my mind about both the propionamide and n-butyramide. Some of these may well also be D2 DA receptor antagonists. I could well see such a drug being better for those who have to take neuroleptics for life due to psychosis, given an antipsychotic with inherent opioid agonist effects being prone a lot less to causing akathisia and other really nasty ass side effects of antipsychotics. And having a calming and one would hope mood enhancing, anti-anhedonic effect to help counter the deadening effects of most typical and atypical APs.

AFAIK the n-butyramide is a selective agonist at MOR, and highly reinforcing though. I'm still making my mind up though. And I've never taken it IV. I need to get it down properly and in highly purified form before that happens. Doesn't seem as though its a bad'un though. At any rate. Although the intermediate N-propionylpiperazine is a twat to handle physically, as I've seen it, its a thick, thick amber-golden oil thats very difficult to dissolve and is sticky as glue. Really tacky, with a consistency somewhat thicker than old epoxy resin hardener. Not brittle, but sticky and syrupy, only its stiffer by far than actual golden syrup. Needs covering in solvent and gouging at with a blade to get it to move, when coated in a layer of solvent its a bit more tractable. But still, stuff is a shitbag.
 
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Just popped in after what seems month's ...has all the old posters gone like me? All good here strong h and w . If anyone remembers me his hope alls good.btw anone heard from..stee you know. ..can't remember his handle on here just IRL.
 
Anyone know how Scotch is doing? He was one of the first bluelighters I had any sort of notable interaction with, really sound guy.
 
I tried off 2 different pepes t'other day an was both shite, 1 guy who wont esll shit has been waitin quite a while for the good. nut fingers crosssed. your in scotland aint u mate id be interested to know if londons suffering the same shite. wheres blondin at? Even the good tb's have all gone its all shit left it seems. Might be time to kick eh.



Since my mate who I usually score half teenths from hasn't been able to get a weight in again I calmed it down for a couple of weeks there. 2 days ago I found out from my other mate's girlfriend that a guy we both sometimes get £25 grams from had got new stuff in and it was decent. The £25 gram guy is a smoker and very rarely has shite but 2 weeks ago he had this dark brown stuff that was a really nasty smoke, it had that nasty sweet sugary smell and was harsh on the throat. It did square me up but I ended up snorting a bit of it because it was a terrible smoke.

I bought a £25 gram from him on Tuesday (a day after my mate's missus said it was good) and it was better but it still had that sweet sugary taste but not as bad. We both came to the conclusion that he's cut the good stuff with that nasty shite because everyone probably stopped going to him for a while and was lumbered with the crap. That's quite a snidey thing to do because although better he's still ruining a good powder.

2 nights ago my mate's missus texted me if I knew who had decent because they just needed a bit to keep them going one night because they had an ounce of good stuff ordered for the next day. I finished a 12 hour shift at half 9 tonight and sent her a text asking if she'd got her's in. They never buy weights of shite and always seem to know where to get it but sometimes it means waiting a day or 2. I booked a £20 which I was expecting to be about 0.4. She gave me it in one nice sized rock. I recently bought a good wee set of scales from Amazon, the were £20 and although only go up to 20g they do 0.001g. You can put a fag paper on it and it will weigh it. I've only ever had as much as a quarter on my scale so 20 grams is plenty. The wee rock I got tonight was 0.52 and it was lovely. Deffo the best going about this way and the best I've had in ages. Just a pity she won't to a teenth or half a teenth.

I wouldn't trust Blondin's word on anything. back in late 2010 he was the only person in the country who was unaffected by that several month long dry up. If I was to take a guess I'd say there must be decent stuff in London if there's decent available in Glasgow and surrounding areas.

I was quite lucky tonight because that girl who I was getting good stuff from over the last few weeks in TBs only (she did start doing 0.5 for a score which is OK I suppose) now has shite stuff in. My mate owed me £50 on Tuesday there and he told me to avoid her. My mate who usually gets it a K at a time has some new stuff in but that's pretty shitty gear (it's a very light colour, I've noticed recently that the better stuff is usually darker these days). When he's up at court soon he's convinced he's getting a custodial so he's trying to make as much as he can just now to leave for his missus and their 2 daughters. I think that's a bit crappy though just buying in any old shite to sell as long as it will at least square the punter up.
 
Southerners: (hopefully) be prepared for good stuff coming yr way soon. Stupid prices for my guy up here as you had a drought, so it's coming south now. So BE CAREFUL and wise.
Tonne-a-love peeps <3
 
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