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PredatorVision
Bluelighter
not much chance of that as Lifeline is closed till monday, oh well i'll find out in the next hour anyhow.
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
After 48 hours, there will be just half as much of the stuff in your system as now. It'll probably be uncomfortable, so don't plan on doing anything physically demanding. Anything that helps you sleep would be a good idea.
Well, think long and hard about it; and if you do end up having to do that, remember two things: (1) don't score any more than you need, and (2) you don't need as much as you think. Take little and often (heroin has a much shorter half-life than subs) just to keep the worst of the edge off; and do not get properly stoned, as you will only be setting yourself up for misery when you come down.
EDIT: I wonder if this is deliberate?
PredatorVision
Bluelighter
It's fine, turns out the pharmacist looked at the wrong perscription, gave me mine this morning and two to take home for tomorrow and monday, 8mg tablets...
a friend of mine said the 8mg one's aren't blockers and that they are more effective snorted, is this at all true? I imagine if they dissolve through one membrane they can go up another. I'm pretty sure I swallow most of my dose too due to the amount I slober when I know i'm about to get a tablet/immidiatly after I put it under my tongue. Just like before I used to burn foil, anyone who ever shared with me would have a go about how much i'd dribble up the tube.
So far i'd say my experiance with Subutex has been fantastic, I've been performing much better at work (got a slight raise as a result), sleeping much better, eating better, overall everything's better, especially my bank balance. I recommend it over methadone for anyone who wants to get a bit of stability back in their life.
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
It's not the dosage that makes the difference, but the name. Subutex is just buprenorphine; suboxone is buprenorphine and naloxone. The advertising material for the latter states that the presence of naloxone reduces its recreational potential, by blocking the µ-receptors if taken other than by the officially-approved route ..... however ..... buprenorphine has a greater affinity for the µ-receptor than even naloxone, so that looks doomed not to work.
Having said which, if your intention is to get off Subutex, improving your efficiency of ingestion might not exactly be a good idea anyway.
Having said which, if your intention is to get off Subutex, improving your efficiency of ingestion might not exactly be a good idea anyway.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/740977-Suboxone-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ-v-19
This thread may be of interest to you, PV. It's most used by Americans n their services differ to ours but it may be of benefit to you in terms of discussing the actual substance, consumption of substance n so forth. Hope it helps n apologies if you're already aware of it
I agree with this n have argued this many times. If one is trying to overcome addiction it's not just the substance they need to overcome but things such as using other ROAs in order to strengthen substances. In my opinion snorting etc is continuing down addict territory as oposed to trying to overcome the addiction.
Evey
This thread may be of interest to you, PV. It's most used by Americans n their services differ to ours but it may be of benefit to you in terms of discussing the actual substance, consumption of substance n so forth. Hope it helps n apologies if you're already aware of it
I agree with this n have argued this many times. If one is trying to overcome addiction it's not just the substance they need to overcome but things such as using other ROAs in order to strengthen substances. In my opinion snorting etc is continuing down addict territory as oposed to trying to overcome the addiction.
Evey
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PredatorVision
Bluelighter
My intention at the moment is stability rather than to get off subutex, stability in the sense of holding down a job and not blowing tons of money on gear, from what I understand from my lifeline nurse i'm going to be on 8mg for the next month or so before going down 0.8mg and so on till nill. Could take six months or longer i'm not interested in taking gear anymore but I am interested in experimenting with a bit of subutex considering it's the weekend and I don't have as many commitments. As long as I can get into work and perform well monday morning i'm not too fussed about my state the rest of the weekend, so was considering snorting half my sunday dose to see what happens, tonight that is.
PredatorVision
Bluelighter
Snapped off about 3mg worth of my sunday dose, gave it a good crushing and snorted it... It's given me a bigger hit than my usual 8mg on a morning does woah!
not going to do any more tonight going to save the rest for my usual morning sublingual dose, might experiment next weekend not having any for 48hours and see how I hold up.
not going to do any more tonight going to save the rest for my usual morning sublingual dose, might experiment next weekend not having any for 48hours and see how I hold up.
kkattastic
Bluelighter
In prison,everyone snorted their subs(except the ones on supervised prescription).
It was even sold in this form,but that's probably so it could be cut-dunno what with,in prison,but that's how the underground subs would occur.
girls who were regular there would bring in whatever they could get to at least do trades etc to get them through their first weeks
It was even sold in this form,but that's probably so it could be cut-dunno what with,in prison,but that's how the underground subs would occur.
girls who were regular there would bring in whatever they could get to at least do trades etc to get them through their first weeks
Snakes
Bluelighter
i was addicted for a year. Used to get horrible WDs. I had a seizure one time when i was WDing and ended up in hospital. Managed to quit by moving to a different part of the country. I didn't find it very difficult quitting once I was out of the vicinity of my dealers (who used to rip me off so hard, never used to offer anything about '10 bags' which in my opinion weren't even 0.1gs. Never offered specific weights such as half a gram etc.)
Anyway, I recently started again. I've convinced myself i'm not actually addicted even though I'm taking it on a daily basis I've switched from doing #3 to #4 now. But in a way I've preferred #3 because of the taste and the ritual of adding citric for an IV shot. When I used to quit I always used to make sure I had some subutex. So I will make sure I have some on hand when I do quit again, which i don't expect I'll have much of a problem doing because the change of circumstances mean I can't just have IV equipment lying around and can't just nip off all the time to have a hit.
Also, I always take around 100mg/200mg of Diphenhydramine everytime I take H. Always potentiates the nod I've found.
However, 1 qualm I've always had with #4 is that you never really know if it has been cut with anything like Fentanyl or analogues etc.
One other drug I have always found great to keep in my arsenal will be Ketamine, I feel it hits on possibly some of the same receptors as opiates, sometimes If i am craving some H, having some Ketamine IM/IV will remove that craving. However, both drugs are approximately the same price nowadays so that's always an issue.
Anyway, I recently started again. I've convinced myself i'm not actually addicted even though I'm taking it on a daily basis I've switched from doing #3 to #4 now. But in a way I've preferred #3 because of the taste and the ritual of adding citric for an IV shot. When I used to quit I always used to make sure I had some subutex. So I will make sure I have some on hand when I do quit again, which i don't expect I'll have much of a problem doing because the change of circumstances mean I can't just have IV equipment lying around and can't just nip off all the time to have a hit.
Also, I always take around 100mg/200mg of Diphenhydramine everytime I take H. Always potentiates the nod I've found.
However, 1 qualm I've always had with #4 is that you never really know if it has been cut with anything like Fentanyl or analogues etc.
One other drug I have always found great to keep in my arsenal will be Ketamine, I feel it hits on possibly some of the same receptors as opiates, sometimes If i am craving some H, having some Ketamine IM/IV will remove that craving. However, both drugs are approximately the same price nowadays so that's always an issue.
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PredatorVision
Bluelighter
The snorted high wasn't that nice really after a bit, made me feel quite sick rather than high though that was probably because it was on top of my morning dose.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
So if i want to snort my subs do i just crush them into a powder n then snort it? Im going to try this 2moro now. Oooooo excited!!!!!
Evey
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
Dunno if that's really a good idea Evey. Snorting substances can easily take addiction to the next level because it hits harder and faster, but usually wears off quicker as well. This can lead to compulsive redosing to chase that hit. Also, if you start snorting, you won't want to take them orally again - it becomes yet another habit. However, I have no experience with bupe so I'm just speaking generally, but I do know that abusing your meds only slows recovery and can make things worse. Plus its a hell of a faff chopping tablets into a fine enough powder to snort, it usually hurts and can damage your sinuses. Think carefully about this...
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
I wanna try it so how do i do it properly? I'm on top of my addiction don't worry about that :D
Evey
Evey
PredatorVision
Bluelighter
well that worked well for me, the feeling sick part didn't make it very fun, wasn't anywhere as near as good as smoking or snorting H. Or hardly any other snortable drug for that matter.
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
The general principle is to use a mirror or piece of glass as your chopping board. Place your tablet in the centre and gently crush it using the back of a spoon. Keep working at any lumps until only fine powder is left. I don't know how easily subs crush down, but if you can't get it fine enough using a spoon then you'll need a Stanley knife blade or similar to chop up any course lumps. Take a bank card and use one edge of it to scrape all the powder together. Then use forward and backward sweeping motions to draw the powder out into thin lines - the thinner the better really. This can be tricky at first, so just play around with it for a while to get the hang of it. If you fuck it up, just scrape it all back into a pile and start again. Get a clean sheet of paper approximately the same size as a £5 note (it's traditional to just use a banknote, but that's not really advisable) and roll it tightly around a pencil to make a tube. Slide the tube off the pencil and keep hold of it to stop it unrolling. Push one end of the tube up one nostril as far as it will go, taking care not to scrape the inside of your nostril with the sharp edge. Now, assuming you're right handed, you want the tube in your left nostril. With your right hand thumb and middle finger, hold the tube in position in your left nostril while using your right hand forefinger to shut your right nostril off. Now breath out through your mouth then lower your head down toward one end of one of the lines until the bottom end of the tube is directly above, but not touching, the powder. Keep your right nostril tightly closed and simultaneously sniff up hard through the left nostril and follow the rapidly disappearing powder with the tube end (and remember not to blow down it). It's often best to do a line up each nostril to equalise any discomfort. It might take a bit of practise to get it right, but you'll soon get the hang of it.
But just to reiterate, I really wouldn't advise you to do this at all...
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
You've already said you want off the subs. Snorting them will increase the bioavailability of the buprenorphine, which is equivalent to taking a larger dose. Do that and you'll not only be setting your recovery back by at least two weeks, but setting yourself up for WDs when it wears off again.
Whichever way you slice it, snorting subs can only end up slowing down your recovery. That pesky 48-hour half life means it will take two weeks of dosing strictly by the book -- same amount, same time, every day -- from the last snort, to get yourself back to the point where the amount your body is using up between one dose and the next is equal to the dose you are taking each time (note that it doesn't matter how much the dose is; you're multiplying the amount of the drug in your body by 0.9857 every hour). Don't say you weren't warned.
On the other hand, if you only try it once, it's only a fortnight. And you only die once .....
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Thanks - that sounds complicated but exciting. I've got to try it
sounds like the forbidden fruits. Evey
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
Thanks - that sounds complicated but exciting. I've got to try it
Evey
Aye, but just bear in mind that some fruits are forbidden for a reason.
Pandora's box etc...
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
If you're going to try snorting subs (and you probably are), at least hang on until Thursday. You'll still be buzzed for most of Friday daytime; and the comedown proper will kick in over the weekend, when you don't have to do very much and will feel like doing even less.Thanks - that sounds complicated but exciting. I've got to try it
Evey
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